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[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?

Hi,

Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?

My specs are as follows:
O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
(nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE

Any ideas?
Thanks

Jesse

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Palser <SLNTHERO at aol.com> wrote:
>  [1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?
>
> Hi,
>
> Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
> When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?
>
> It's not native to linux?  Turn everything to low?
> My specs are as follows:
> O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
> CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
> RAM: 4GB DDR2
> Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
> (nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
> Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE
>
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
>
> Jesse
>
>

-- 
Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell
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JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> [1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
> When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?
> 
> My specs are as follows:
> O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
> CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
> RAM: 4GB DDR2
> Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
> (nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
> Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE
> 
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> 
> Jesse

where's the good computer?  I wouldn't expect much out of a 8400GS and a
game as new as Star Craft 2

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jesse Palser <SLNTHERO at aol.com>
wrote:
> ?[1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?
>
> Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
> When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?
>
> My specs are as follows:
> O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
> CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
> RAM: 4GB DDR2
> Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
> (nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
> Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE
>
> Any ideas?
I have the dual core version of your computer with an 8600gt instead
and on mixed low-medium settings I get a very playable 18-40fps.  Not
bad for a cheap two-three year old graphics card.  Might be better on
Windows but the bottleneck is the graphics card as I notice SC2
doesn't tax my cpu or the ram.

I would like to play on the better graphics so I'm looking at getting
the modern day equivalent of the 8600 and I'd say that'd be your best
option too.

Time marches on and our good computers become old computers. :(

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 08:59 PM, doh123 wrote:
> 
> > JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > [1.2]StarCraft 2 - Very Slow On Good Computer?
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Using Wine 1.2 Final on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit.
> > > When running game "StarCraft 2", the game is very slow?
> > > 
> > > My specs are as follows:
> > > O.S.: Ubuntu 10.04 32bit
> > > CPU: Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 core CPU
> > > RAM: 4GB DDR2
> > > Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 8400GS
> > > (nVidia 195.36.24 graphic driver)
> > > Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Jesse
> > > 
> > 
> > where's the good computer?  I wouldn't expect much out of a
8400GS and a game as new as Star Craft 2
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't be so quick to blame my computer.
> F.E.A.R. 2 runs 60 FPS in a 1024x768 window with settings on medium.
> I expect the same with StarCraft 2.
> 
> JeZ+Lee

run it at the lowest rez possible with all low settings then.

the bare min nvidia card they list for running in Windows is a 6600GT.  a 8400GS
actually benchmarks slower than one of those, which means you really are at, or
not quite at minimum system requirements... its going to be slightly slower with
Wine anyways...

Only ways to know for sure are by trying with Windows on the same PC, or by
getting someone with a similar setup to do that.

> 128 MB PCIe NVIDIA? GeForce? 6600 GT or ATI Radeon? 9800 PRO video card or
better

His PC _does_ meet the recommended requirements.

Starcraft 2 runs painfully slow compared to Windows.  For instance, I have a
nVidia Geforce 330M with 512mb of video ram.  My friend comes in with his old
8600M GT with 256mb of video ram and plays on Ultra settings with a silky smooth
60fps.

I can't even manage medium.  If you google online, my card is supposed to be
2-3x faster than his.

And just for some specs: Linux 2.6.35-rc6 + current wine git.


Code:
System:    Host damentz64 Kernel 2.6.35-rc6.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
Distro Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5 M 520 (HT) cache 3072 KB flags (lm nx sse
sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) clocked at 1199.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card nVidia GT216 [GeForce GT 330M] X.Org 1.7.7 Res: 3040x900 at
50.0hz
           GLX Renderer GeForce GT 330M/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 256.44
Network:   Card-1 Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver sky2
           Card-2 Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver
ath_pci
Disks:     HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (58.0% used) 1: WDC_WD7500BPVT
Info:      Processes 200 Uptime 19:43 Memory 1472.4/3884.7MB Client Shell inxi
1.4.10



I would say that my laptop should meet some maximum requirements list.  But the
real problem here is that we're seeing the game run at about 1/6th to 1/8th
of the speed of running natively on windows (600 to 800% slower).  Even counter
strike source manages only running about 10-20% slower...

Thanks for this site very helpful.

Hmm, strange, it makes absolutely no difference here. (Nvidia 9800 green edition
+ core2duo 8400@ 3Ghz, wine 1.2 and Crossover 9.1).

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:32 PM, torturedutopian
<wineforum-user at winehq.org>wrote:
> Hmm, strange, it makes absolutely no difference here. (Nvidia 9800 green
> edition + core2duo 8400@ 3Ghz, wine 1.2 and Crossover 9.1).
>
> Mine too no difference, nvidia 260m GTx, 256 drivers.


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torturedutopian wrote:
> Hmm, strange, it makes absolutely no difference here. (Nvidia 9800 green
edition + core2duo 8400@ 3Ghz, wine 1.2 and Crossover 9.1).

While Crossover 9.1 is based off Wine 1.2, it is far from being stock Wine
1.2...  Theres no guarantee things that work with Wine in a certain way will
work the same way with Crossover.

doh123 : sure, but I installed the game under both of them and made the test
with both of them, and it made no difference in both case :)

The 'UseGLSL=disabled' option did not improve the performance on my
side. I have the following system:

i7 930 @ 2,8GHz
GeForce 9800 GT
Ubuntu 10.04 64bit
Wine 1.2

Strange thing is, it doesn't matter which graphic settings to use, I get
always about 15 fps during missions.

Does anyone with the 256.44 drivers experience any speed improvement when the
GLSL trick mentioned above ?

I don't (256.44, GF 9800 GE, core2duo @3Ghz), but downgrading to figure out
if it's related to the driver version seems a bit complicated :)

With my setup I generally get 15-20 FPS ingame. (1920*1080, medium settings +
high shaders + ultra textures)

James McKenzie wrote:
> stoabrogga wrote:
> 
> > The 'UseGLSL=disabled' option did not improve the performance
on my side. I have the following system:
> > 
> > i7 930 @ 2,8GHz
> > GeForce 9800 GT
> > 
> > 
> nVidia driver version?
> 
> > Ubuntu 10.04 64bit
> > Wine 1.2
> > 
> > Strange thing is, it doesn't matter which graphic settings to use,
I get always about 15 fps during missions.
> > 
> > 
> I don't personally own a computer with an nVidia card in it, but
results
> have been chaotic with the different nVidia driver versions and 
> different settings.  You might want to try a different driver version 
> and see if you can get the FPS of your game up to 30 or so.
> 
> James McKenzie
I tested with nVidia drivers 195.36 and 256.44, made no difference. The average
CPU usage during missions is at 20%, so I think Blizzard has to improve their
engine. My system specs are above the recommended pc specs, so it should be
possible to get acceptable fps, even if using Wine. There are also some other
users complaining about low fps:

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248426539
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/166496813

Perhaps I should simply wait for the next patch(es)...

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My system is as follows:
> - Dell XPS 420 (Modified) Code Named: "JetFire"
> - Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 Core CPU
> - 4GB DDR2 RAM
> - 1GB DDR3 nVidia GT 240 Graphic Card (fanless)
> (current nVidia drivers approved by Ubuntu team)
> - Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE PCI
> - Ubuntu 10.04 Linux 32bit Final
> - Wine 1.2 Final
> - StarCraft 2 v1.0.2 (current)
> (1024x768 window/graphics setting on "Ultra" / 60+ FPS)
> 
> Jesse

I see you're using 32 bits Linux.
Do you use any particular setting in wine itself for direct3d?
which audio devices do you use? USB? Analog?

Cheers,

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> On 08/08/2010 03:04 AM, Ema wrote:
> 
> > JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > My system is as follows:
> > > - Dell XPS 420 (Modified) Code Named: "JetFire"
> > > - Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 Core CPU
> > > - 4GB DDR2 RAM
> > > - 1GB DDR3 nVidia GT 240 Graphic Card (fanless)
> > > (current nVidia drivers approved by Ubuntu team)
> > > - Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE PCI
> > > - Ubuntu 10.04 Linux 32bit Final
> > > - Wine 1.2 Final
> > > - StarCraft 2 v1.0.2 (current)
> > > (1024x768 window/graphics setting on "Ultra" / 60+ FPS)
> > > 
> > > Jesse
> > > 
> > 
> > I see you're using 32 bits Linux.
> > Do you use any particular setting in wine itself for direct3d?
> > which audio devices do you use? USB? Analog?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Wine is stock and not at all modified...
> 
> Jesse

Do you have PulseAudio running?

Cheers,

I do use Pulseaudio too with no problem. (I just add to install the backports
alsa modules because my audio chipset was not supported properly with the
default drivers -- which could cause issues such as : no alsa audio at the same
time as pulse audio, etc).

BTW, I tried to remove pulseaudio : it's doesn't affect the framerate at
all. The CPU seems to be the limiting factor in my case.

JeZ-l-Lee wrote:
> On 08/10/2010 03:47 PM, Ema wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> StarCraft 2 runs 60+FPS on "Ultra" graphic settings on my old
computer.
> 
> My system is as follows:
> - Dell XPS 420 (Modified) Code Named: "JetFire"
> - Intel Core2Quad 2.4GHz 4 Core CPU (under-clocked to 1.6GHz)
> - 4GB 800MHz DDR2 RAM
> - 1GB DDR3 nVidia GT 240 Graphic Card (fanless)
> (current nVidia drivers approved by Ubuntu team)
> - Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE PCI sound card
> - Ubuntu 10.04 Linux 32bit Final
> - Wine 1.2 Final
> - StarCraft 2 v1.0.2 (current)
> (1024x768 window/graphics setting on "Ultra" / 60+ FPS)
> 
> Sorry it does not work on your state-of-the-art computer...
> (older technology is always better for a Linux box though)
> 
> Jesse
> 16BitSoft(R)
> Video Game Design Studio
> www.16BitSoft.com

Funny thing is that I tried all, but there's nothing to do (even with
drivers 256.44).
Yes indeed it pisses me off quite a bit: to be honest I would play with low
details anyway (it's easier to spot action etc etc) but again, having to
play around 15~20 FPS with my videocard is quite depressing :( ... I just
changed this pc basically for SC2! :P
Anyway I'll try uninstall a couple of non standard packages I have and see
what happens!

Cheers  [Twisted Evil]