Ok, no one has said it yet so I will. http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php?102#comments How is this going to affect Rails? Or is it? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> How is this going to affect Rails? Or is it?If DHH isn''t writing code, then the number of significant extractions that will go straight into core will drop. On the otherhand, the more conferences and public attendences that DHH makes, the higher the public profile of Rails becomes. But, really, thanks to Ruby, plugins, engines, and the gem mechanism in general, Rails can be evolved and themed however each programmer likes. If core never evolved Rails beyond 1.1.4, it wouldn''t matter. The conferences would continue. The blogs will continue. The productivity will continue. Cool eh. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 7/21/06, Wesley Lamb <wes.lamb@gmail.com> wrote:> > Ok, no one has said it yet so I will. > > > http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php?102#comments > > How is this going to affect Rails? Or is it? > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >The short answer is, it won''t. The post is a little light on details, but from what I read of it the Signals have given up a small portion of their company to a private investment company run by Jeff Bezos (NOT Amazon). In return they get two things (I''m probably oversimplifying): access to Jeff Bezos and his advice, and capital. The need for the first thing is obvious. Everyone involved in 37Signals is smart, there''s no arguing that. But none of them have built a large company before to my knowledge. Jeff has. Access to that advice can help the Signals potentially avoid making mistakes - they are after all, human. As for why they need or want the capital, who knows. But I''m sure they know, and I agree with Jason''s statement that this is the best way to get it. My guess is that they have some big plans, and in order to execute them in a timely manner, they need some capital. As for Rails, not only has it been a game-changing platform for developing applications, but it''s also given 37Signals a huge amount of publicity for (basically) free. If anything, this will impact things for the better. Perhaps they''ll hire a few people to work on Rails full time, or free up David''s time so that he can devote more to it. Regardless, I think there''s little or no reason to panic. This was not done without a lot of thought. As for the people saying that this violates their "Getting Real" philosophy, I say "hogwash". It doesn''t. -- Larry Wright http://www.approachingnormal.com http://www.welcometoparenthood.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060721/f27d3d8d/attachment.html
It also means Jeff Bezos must be a fan of Rails. It should help adoption of Rails within Amazon knowing the boss is a believer. Who knows, maybe a high profile Rails project will come out of Amazon now. Steve http://www.smarkets.net http://www.trivionomy.com On 7/21/06, Larry Wright <larrywright@gmail.com> wrote:> > On 7/21/06, Wesley Lamb <wes.lamb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ok, no one has said it yet so I will. > > > > http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php?102#comments > > > > > > How is this going to affect Rails? Or is it? > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > The short answer is, it won''t. The post is a little light on details, but > from what I read of it the Signals have given up a small portion of their > company to a private investment company run by Jeff Bezos (NOT Amazon). In > return they get two things (I''m probably oversimplifying): access to Jeff > Bezos and his advice, and capital. The need for the first thing is obvious. > Everyone involved in 37Signals is smart, there''s no arguing that. But none > of them have built a large company before to my knowledge. Jeff has. Access > to that advice can help the Signals potentially avoid making mistakes - they > are after all, human. As for why they need or want the capital, who knows. > But I''m sure they know, and I agree with Jason''s statement that this is the > best way to get it. My guess is that they have some big plans, and in order > to execute them in a timely manner, they need some capital. > > As for Rails, not only has it been a game-changing platform for developing > applications, but it''s also given 37Signals a huge amount of publicity for > (basically) free. If anything, this will impact things for the better. > Perhaps they''ll hire a few people to work on Rails full time, or free up > David''s time so that he can devote more to it. > > Regardless, I think there''s little or no reason to panic. This was not > done without a lot of thought. > > > As for the people saying that this violates their "Getting Real" > philosophy, I say "hogwash". It doesn''t. > > > -- > Larry Wright > http://www.approachingnormal.com > http://www.welcometoparenthood.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060721/24389213/attachment-0001.html
> http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php?102#comments.php? I alopolgize if this is a faq, but the forum search feature is not working. -Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 7/21/06, Steve Bergman <steve@rueb.com> wrote:> > > > http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php?102#comments > > .php? > > I alopolgize if this is a faq, but the forum search feature is not > working. > > -Steve > >They run SvN on Moveable Type, I believe. -- Larry Wright http://www.approachingnormal.com http://www.welcometoparenthood.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060721/02022a7c/attachment.html
Right tool for the job. Who cares what language it is built in. On 7/21/06, Larry Wright <larrywright@gmail.com> wrote:> > On 7/21/06, Steve Bergman <steve@rueb.com> wrote: > > > > http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php?102#comments > > > > .php? > > > > I alopolgize if this is a faq, but the forum search feature is not > > working. > > > > -Steve > > > > > > They run SvN on Moveable Type, I believe. > > > -- > Larry Wright > http://www.approachingnormal.com > http://www.welcometoparenthood.com > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
Larry Wright wrote:> On 7/21/06, Steve Bergman <steve@rueb.com> wrote: >> >> > They run SvN on Moveable Type, I believe.They explained in a post on their site the tools they use and some of the reasoning behind the selection. Link as follows: http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/the_tools_we_use_to_run_and_build_37signals.php Michael mmodica at cox dot net -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Carl Fyffe wrote:> Right tool for the job. Who cares what language it is built in.Just to clarify, I''m not condemning. Just noting. I''m a new Rails user in the middle of an evaluation of various web programming frameworks. Every framework has a certain amount of hype associated. So I''m attuned to looking for little real world signals. For example, in the 9 months that I have been following TurboGears, I''ve noticed that their site and trac go down for extended periods and nobody can figure out what the problem is. Further investigation reveals that this doesn''t really have a lot to do with TurboGears. But still, for those of us in the forest of frameworks trying to select one, appearances figure in. I really, really, really, don''t want to come off as criticizing the very solid policy of using the right tool for the job, though. -Steve -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Steve Bergman wrote:> Carl Fyffe wrote: >> Right tool for the job. Who cares what language it is built in. > > Just to clarify, I''m not condemning. Just noting. > > But still, for those of us in the forest of frameworks trying to select > one, appearances figure in.Heh, heh, I hear you. I''m the same way. When I go to a PHP framework site I ENSURE they are using their own bits, same for Django, Turbogears, etc. I expect it. Eat your own dogfood as they say. People are visual creatures. No screenshots for your hot new applicaion? then I doubt I''ll even bother with the download, etc. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.