I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls opinions are. Besides web broswers I need to run some windows only stuff, and wondering about running MS Office Opinions? Thanx Daniel --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 10 Aug 2007, at 08:56, Daniel N wrote:> I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what > ppls opinions are. > > Besides web broswers I need to run some windows only stuff, and > wondering about running MS Office > > Opinions?You''re going to get mixed reaction to this, but I prefer VMWare for a couple of reasons: - VMWare''s codebase is known to be cleaner than Parallels'' - VMWare doesn''t create extra network adapters. The extra network adapters Parallels creates gave me problems with certain applications and networking in Parallels didn''t seem to work very well - VMWare feels a lot faster to me, both when running Windows and Linux - VMWare''s Unity is implemented better than Parallels'' Coherence, i.e. Unity treats each Windows application as an individual entity (try to use Exposé with both to see what I mean), while Parallels just puts them all on one canvas with a transparent background - VMWare''s 3D support actually works, while I couldn''t get Parallels to work (or maybe it did, but not as well as VMWare''s) - Should I need support, VMWare''s should be better than Parallels'' I do know that some people have problems with VMWare, most comments I hear relate to: - Printers (network printers) not being picked up too well in some cases - Importing settings from a PC is easier in Parallels - Dual screen support in VMWare either doesn''t work or doesn''t work very well I don''t need printing, importing or dual screen support, so it''s no problem for me really. Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi, I really cannot comment on codebases of either company and I really don''t care because I don''t work for either company. At this time, VMWare has a product called VMWare Fusion 1.0 that''s currently in Beta targeted to the Mac Intel. On the other side of the fence, you have Paralles Desktop 3.0 for the Mac in Final Release. Here''s a good comparison between the two: http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/02/21/vmwarevsparallels/index.php Next, please take a look at the demo videos and download a trial: Paralles: http://www.parallels.com/en/rc/screens&demos/ VMWare Fusion 1.0 http://www.vmware.com At this time, Parallels is ahead of the game in regards to virtualization software on the Mac. However, we''ll see how VWMare counters with their experience in this field for the Mac. My recommendation would be to try them both. Good luck, -Conrad On 8/10/07, Peter De Berdt <peter.de.berdt-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On 10 Aug 2007, at 08:56, Daniel N wrote: > > I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls > opinions are. > > Besides web broswers I need to run some windows only stuff, and wondering > about running MS Office > > Opinions? > > > You''re going to get mixed reaction to this, but I prefer VMWare for a > couple of reasons: > - VMWare''s codebase is known to be cleaner than Parallels'' > - VMWare doesn''t create extra network adapters. The extra network adapters > Parallels creates gave me problems with certain applications and networking > in Parallels didn''t seem to work very well > - VMWare feels a lot faster to me, both when running Windows and Linux > - VMWare''s Unity is implemented better than Parallels'' Coherence, i.e. > Unity treats each Windows application as an individual entity (try to use > Exposé with both to see what I mean), while Parallels just puts them all on > one canvas with a transparent background > - VMWare''s 3D support actually works, while I couldn''t get Parallels to > work (or maybe it did, but not as well as VMWare''s) > - Should I need support, VMWare''s should be better than Parallels'' > > > I do know that some people have problems with VMWare, most comments I hear > relate to: > - Printers (network printers) not being picked up too well in some cases > - Importing settings from a PC is easier in Parallels > - Dual screen support in VMWare either doesn''t work or doesn''t work very > well > > > I don''t need printing, importing or dual screen support, so it''s no > problem for me really. > > > Best regards > > > Peter De Berdt > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Daniel, please tell me that you''re going to use virtualization software for running more that MS Office. However, I see the need for it to test web applications against IE to be a much better reason. In short, I don''t see buying VM software to run applications that exist natively on my host OS as a wise decision. Nonetheless, please give them both a spin and I''m very impressed with Parallels Desktop 3.0 For Mac. Just my 2 cents, -Conrad On 8/9/07, Daniel N <has.sox-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls > opinions are. > > Besides web broswers I need to run some windows only stuff, and wondering > about running MS Office > > Opinions? > > Thanx > Daniel > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 8/10/07, Conrad Taylor <conradwt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi Daniel, please tell me that you''re going to use virtualization software > for running more that MS Office. However, I see the need for it to test web > applications against IE to be a much better reason. In short, I don''t see > buying VM software to run applications that exist natively on my host OS as > a wise decision. Nonetheless, please give them both a spin and I''m very > impressed with Parallels Desktop 3.0 For Mac. > Just my 2 cents, > > -Conrad >Yes more than MS Office. I need to run Solid Works and IE from it. Thanx for your comments. This is quite interesting so far. -Daniel On 8/9/07, Daniel N <has.sox-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls > > opinions are. > > > > Besides web broswers I need to run some windows only stuff, and > > wondering about running MS Office > > > > Opinions? > > > > Thanx > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 10 Aug 2007, at 11:12, Conrad Taylor wrote:> Hi, I really cannot comment on codebases of either company and I > really don''t care because I don''t work for either company. At this > time, VMWare has a product called VMWare Fusion 1.0 that''s > currently in Beta targeted to the Mac Intel. On the other side of > the fence, you have Paralles Desktop 3.0 for the Mac in Final > Release. Here''s a good comparison between the two: > > http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/02/21/vmwarevsparallels/index.php >This article dates back to February, VMWare has come out of beta last week and almost all disadvantages (especially those related to speed and drag-and-drop between host and guest OS) are not applicable to the release version of VMWare. Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Peter, thanks for the updated information because I purchased the pre-order last week. -Conrad On 8/10/07, Peter De Berdt <peter.de.berdt-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On 10 Aug 2007, at 11:12, Conrad Taylor wrote: > > Hi, I really cannot comment on codebases of either company and I really > don''t care because I don''t work for either company. At this time, VMWare has > a product called VMWare Fusion 1.0 that''s currently in Beta targeted to > the Mac Intel. On the other side of the fence, you have Paralles Desktop > 3.0 for the Mac in Final Release. Here''s a good comparison between the > two: > > http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/02/21/vmwarevsparallels/index.php > > > This article dates back to February, VMWare has come out of beta last week > and almost all disadvantages (especially those related to speed and > drag-and-drop between host and guest OS) are not applicable to the release > version of VMWare. > > > Best regards > > > Peter De Berdt > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Daniel N wrote:> I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac.Is that Intel based? You should at least checkout VirtualBox ( http://www.virtualbox.org ) it is free and opensource and runs great on my Ubuntu box. They have a OSX version and a Windows version. It was a proprietary solution that went opensource a few months ago. I have been using VMWare for about six years on Windows, but since moving to Linux have found VirtualBox to be a better product on Linux than VMWare. Cheers, Anthony --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Dunno... I have 10 licenses of MS Office 2003 that I get with my subscription to Microsoft''s Action Pack (great buy if you have to live in the windows world, although restrictions apply). I''d rather pay $70 for parallels than pay full-price for a Mac version of Office. :) On 8/10/07, Conrad Taylor <conradwt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi Daniel, please tell me that you''re going to use virtualization software > for running more that MS Office. However, I see the need for it to test web > applications against IE to be a much better reason. In short, I don''t see > buying VM software to run applications that exist natively on my host OS as > a wise decision. Nonetheless, please give them both a spin and I''m very > impressed with Parallels Desktop 3.0 For Mac. > Just my 2 cents, > > -Conrad > > On 8/9/07, Daniel N <has.sox-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls > > opinions are. > > > > Besides web broswers I need to run some windows only stuff, and > > wondering about running MS Office > > > > Opinions? > > > > Thanx > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 8/10/07, Conrad Taylor <conradwt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi Daniel, please tell me that you''re going to use virtualization software > for running more that MS Office. However, I see the need for it to test web > applications against IE to be a much better reason. In short, I don''t see > buying VM software to run applications that exist natively on my host OS as > a wise decision. Nonetheless, please give them both a spin and I''m very > impressed with Parallels Desktop 3.0 For Mac.But an Intel native version of MS Office doesn''t yet exist for OS X.. Adam --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Adam, I''m using it now and it does exist for Mac OS X. Please visit you local Apple Store for details. Peace, -Conrad On 8/10/07, Adam Cohen <bionicboogie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On 8/10/07, Conrad Taylor <conradwt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Hi Daniel, please tell me that you''re going to use virtualization > software > > for running more that MS Office. However, I see the need for it to test > web > > applications against IE to be a much better reason. In short, I don''t > see > > buying VM software to run applications that exist natively on my host OS > as > > a wise decision. Nonetheless, please give them both a spin and I''m very > > impressed with Parallels Desktop 3.0 For Mac. > > But an Intel native version of MS Office doesn''t yet exist for OS X.. > > Adam > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Correction, it runs natively on PPC and in emulation mode on Intel without any problems and very fast. -Conrad On 8/10/07, Conrad Taylor <conradwt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Hi Adam, I''m using it now and it does exist for Mac OS X. Please visit > you local Apple Store for details. > > Peace, > > > -Conrad > > On 8/10/07, Adam Cohen <bionicboogie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Conrad Taylor <conradwt-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, please tell me that you''re going to use virtualization > > software > > > for running more that MS Office. However, I see the need for it to > > test web > > > applications against IE to be a much better reason. In short, I don''t > > see > > > buying VM software to run applications that exist natively on my host > > OS as > > > a wise decision. Nonetheless, please give them both a spin and I''m > > very > > > impressed with Parallels Desktop 3.0 For Mac. > > > > But an Intel native version of MS Office doesn''t yet exist for OS X.. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Aug 10, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Adam Cohen wrote:> But an Intel native version of MS Office doesn''t yet exist for OS X..My boss just deleted Office. He says the new iWork, especially Pages and Numbers, does everything he needs and is faster and much cleaner to use. This is also his first Mac, after many years of Windows. It''s been amazing to see. I see now I''m like double off-topic. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Peter De Berdt wrote:> - VMWare doesn''t create extra network adapters. The extra network > adapters Parallels creates gave me problems with certain applications > and networking in Parallels didn''t seem to work very wellYou can configure Parallels to work without those extra network adapters. -- Michael Wang --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 11 Aug 2007, at 05:08, Michael Wang wrote:>> - VMWare doesn''t create extra network adapters. The extra network >> adapters Parallels creates gave me problems with certain applications >> and networking in Parallels didn''t seem to work very well > > You can configure Parallels to work without those extra network > adapters.That was when Parallels networking support became completely unreliable :-) It wasn''t such a pleasant experience for me on a brand new MacBook Pro, but maybe I was just unlucky. Best regards Peter De Berdt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Daniel ----- wrote:> I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls > opinions are.I''ve tried both and VMWare''s Fusion seems to be faster on my MacBook Pro. Granted, this is an a$$-metric, but Parallels seems to just crush my machine, especially the second time I run a VM without rebooting the MB Pro (i.e. start XP, shut it down, start it back up again). Fusion doesn''t seem to exhibit this behavior. Fusion also seems to boot faster. See previous metric reference. :-) Butch -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Although Ive never used Fusion, my previous experiences with VMWare really didnt leave a good taste in my mouth. Parallels has been running fine for the most part. Only occasionally have issues with coherence mode, which I can live with out. Other than that. an occasional freeze of the VM when coming out of standby related to coherence. If windowed, runs fine. HTH, Richard On 8/11/07, Butch Anton <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > Daniel ----- wrote: > > I''m looking to get parallels or vmware for my imac. Wondering what ppls > > opinions are. > > I''ve tried both and VMWare''s Fusion seems to be faster on my MacBook > Pro. Granted, this is an a$$-metric, but Parallels seems to just crush > my machine, especially the second time I run a VM without rebooting the > MB Pro (i.e. start XP, shut it down, start it back up again). Fusion > doesn''t seem to exhibit this behavior. Fusion also seems to boot > faster. See previous metric reference. :-) > > Butch > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >-- Richard J Hancock Developer/System Administrator --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---