Rails - Jun 2006 - [Very OT] MacBook defects: should I buy a MacBook?

Hello,
First and foremost sorry for off topic message, but I thought maybe
you smart guys can help me to decide about purchasing a MacBook or
not.

I was going to buy a MacBook but I found a story on digg.com about
case discoloring and after googling the subject I found MacBook
defects:

http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro

I''m totally confused, should I buy it? what about iMac?
and the last question: you guys, who migrated from win/nix to mac,
does it worth the money? (anything other than TextMate?)

Thank you all in advance,
- Dunnil

hi, i am totally liking my macbook pro. its pricey, but since im into 
software programming, i might as well get really used to working in Unix 
environment. my mbp is real quick. right now im capturing video from my 
dv camcorder into imovie, using RoR in textmate, having the webserver up 
and running, mysql software gui running, and surfing the web. no slow 
down what so ever.. i do how ever have a warm keyboard that keeps my 
hands warm lol...

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Hi Dunnil,
Wow! Thanks for the link in regard to the MacBook. 
Good evening,
Pat

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Subject: [Rails] [Very OT] MacBook defects: should I buy a MacBook?

Hello,
First and foremost sorry for off topic message, but I thought maybe
you smart guys can help me to decide about purchasing a MacBook or
not.

I was going to buy a MacBook but I found a story on digg.com about
case discoloring and after googling the subject I found MacBook
defects:

http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro

I''m totally confused, should I buy it? what about iMac?
and the last question: you guys, who migrated from win/nix to mac,
does it worth the money? (anything other than TextMate?)

Thank you all in advance,
- Dunnil
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I went with a Powerbook instead of a MacBook because of the stories of 
whining, heat (the MB at the store was really hot to the touch), and 
whatever else I can''t remember. Plus they cost more, a lot of software 
isn''t universal, etc.

I''ve been quite happy switching from Windows to Mac. Shit Just Works
and
the OS gets in your way far less. And having *nix under the hood is very 
nice. I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on buying
it yet - no
sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my Windows 
machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the occasional 
game).

Oh yeah, does anybody know of a decent way to transfer images from a 
compactflash card inserted in a Mac''s PC slot? I couldn''t find
anything
that didn''t suck ass - Apple''s program always crashed. I could
just copy
the images manually, but screw that. I ended up hooking up my camera via 
USB and transferring that way - took forever. On Windows I used Cam4You 
(http://alkenius.no-ip.org/Cam4you/) which did a great job.

Joe

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Hi Joe, did you file this bug with Apple or has it been filed by someone
else.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

In short, this will make the platform better if people give feedback to
Apple
and I would recommend doing the same for both Ruby and Rails.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 6/14/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I went with a Powerbook instead of a MacBook because of the stories of
> whining, heat (the MB at the store was really hot to the touch), and
> whatever else I can''t remember. Plus they cost more, a lot of
software
> isn''t universal, etc.
>
> I''ve been quite happy switching from Windows to Mac. Shit Just
Works and
> the OS gets in your way far less. And having *nix under the hood is very
> nice. I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on
buying it yet - no
> sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my Windows
> machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the occasional
> game).
>
> Oh yeah, does anybody know of a decent way to transfer images from a
> compactflash card inserted in a Mac''s PC slot? I couldn''t
find anything
> that didn''t suck ass - Apple''s program always crashed. I
could just copy
> the images manually, but screw that. I ended up hooking up my camera via
> USB and transferring that way - took forever. On Windows I used Cam4You
> (http://alkenius.no-ip.org/Cam4you/) which did a great job.
>
> Joe
>
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I just traded in my Dell Inspiron 8600 and a Pbook 12" for a new MacBook
Pro
15" - it''s the shit...

Was considering the Black MB, but the glossy screen and lack of size
difference between the 15" pushed me in the pro direction. I
couldn''t be
happier. If you''re good with a screwdriver and at all patient, buy the
low-end model and upgrade the ram to 2gb yourself and the drive to a
7200rpm. I just did it.

Running Parallels is dope too. I can still use all my XP apps, and test
sites in IE. Best of both worlds. Install VirtueDesktop and you will never
look back. You should see how people freak out when I can be in XP or OS X
with a keystroke.

On 6/14/06, Conrad Taylor <conradwt@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Joe, did you file this bug with Apple or has it been filed by someone
> else.
>
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/
>
> In short, this will make the platform better if people give feedback to
> Apple
> and I would recommend doing the same for both Ruby and Rails.
>
> Peace,
>
> -Conrad
>
> On 6/14/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I went with a Powerbook instead of a MacBook because of the stories of
> > whining, heat (the MB at the store was really hot to the touch), and
> > whatever else I can''t remember. Plus they cost more, a lot of
software
> > isn''t universal, etc.
> >
> > I''ve been quite happy switching from Windows to Mac. Shit
Just Works and
> > the OS gets in your way far less. And having *nix under the hood is
very
> >
> > nice. I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided
on buying it yet - no
> > sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my
Windows
> > machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the occasional
> > game).
> >
> > Oh yeah, does anybody know of a decent way to transfer images from a
> > compactflash card inserted in a Mac''s PC slot? I
couldn''t find anything
> > that didn''t suck ass - Apple''s program always
crashed. I could just copy
> >
> > the images manually, but screw that. I ended up hooking up my camera
via
> > USB and transferring that way - took forever. On Windows I used
Cam4You
> > (http://alkenius.no-ip.org/Cam4you/ ) which did a great job.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
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> > _______________________________________________
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> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
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> >
>
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On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, at 6:48 PM, subimage interactive
wrote:
>I just traded in my Dell Inspiron 8600 and a Pbook 12" for a new
>MacBook Pro
>15" - it''s the shit...
>
>Was considering the Black MB, but the glossy screen and lack of size
>difference between the 15" pushed me in the pro direction. I
couldn''t be
>happier. If you''re good with a screwdriver and at all patient, buy
the
>low-end model and upgrade the ram to 2gb yourself and the drive to a
>7200rpm. I just did it.
>
>Running Parallels is dope too. I can still use all my XP apps, and test
>sites in IE. Best of both worlds. Install VirtueDesktop and you will never
>look back. You should see how people freak out when I can be in XP or OS X
>with a keystroke.
>
>On 6/14/06, Conrad Taylor <conradwt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joe, did you file this bug with Apple or has it been filed by
someone
>> else.
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/
>>
>> In short, this will make the platform better if people give feedback to
>> Apple
>> and I would recommend doing the same for both Ruby and Rails.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> -Conrad
>>
>> On 6/14/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I went with a Powerbook instead of a MacBook because of the
stories of
>> > whining, heat (the MB at the store was really hot to the touch),
and
>> > whatever else I can''t remember. Plus they cost more, a
lot of software
>> > isn''t universal, etc.
>> >
>> > I''ve been quite happy switching from Windows to Mac. Shit
Just
>>Works and
>> > the OS gets in your way far less. And having *nix under the hood
>>is very
>> >
>> > nice. I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t
decided on buying it
>>yet - no
>> > sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my
Windows
>> > machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the
occasional
>> > game).
>> >
>> > Oh yeah, does anybody know of a decent way to transfer images from
a
>> > compactflash card inserted in a Mac''s PC slot? I
couldn''t find anything
>> > that didn''t suck ass - Apple''s program always
crashed. I could
>>just copy
>> >
>> > the images manually, but screw that. I ended up hooking up my
>>camera via
>> > USB and transferring that way - took forever. On Windows I used
Cam4You
>> > (http://alkenius.no-ip.org/Cam4you/ ) which did a great job.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > --
>> > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Rails mailing list
>> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
>> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
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They must have fixed most of the problems mentioned on that website,  
because the only issue I have is that it runs a bit hot when I push it.   
Nothing I can''t manage, tho.

_Kevin

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Yeah, my Powerbook gets pretty damn hot too, like when watching videos 
or having several browser tabs open of sites that have a bunch of Flash 
ad crap.

Conrad - haven''t checked. It was iPhoto ''04. Could be
it''s fixed in
iPhoto ''06.

Also, Expose in Mac OS X is so nice. Quicksilver is quite handy too. 
Such simple stuff that makes the little things so much easier.

Joe

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> I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on buying it
yet - no
> sftp support is the stumbling point for me.
Joe,

One way around this, if you don''t mind a two app solution is to use
Cyberduck for SFTP and set your External Editor in Cyberduck prefs to
Textmate. I use this occasionally, not a lot, and it works quite
nicely. Cyberduck is free.

-TJ

>>>>> "Human" == Human Dunnil
<h.dunnil@gmail.com> writes:
> I was going to buy a MacBook but I found a story on digg.com about
> case discoloring and after googling the subject I found MacBook
> defects:
> http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro
> I''m totally confused, should I buy it? what about iMac?
The thing to keep in mind when looking at that kind of site is that
they''re collections of as many bad experiences as possible. I had a
quick look at the site linked to above, and I could find no
information at all about how frequent the problems they describe are.
Considering that Apple sells tens of thousands of the things,
something can be pretty pretty darn unlikely and still gather enough
pissed-off people to make a website.

That said, there are some things with the MacBook Pro that have been
serious enough that Apple are trying to fix them, primarly the
overheating thing. It also makes sense to me that that is the model
with the most problems, since it was the first Intel-based model the
made. Just by going on the "Never use the initial release of
*anything*" theory, you probably don''t want the MacBook Pro. 
-- 
		     Calle Dybedahl <calle@cyberpomo.com>
		 http://www.livejournal.com/users/cdybedahl/
   "But that was in the gauzy realm of meat and oxygen, not this real world
	       here on the screen." -- archbishopm, LiveJournal

On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:58 AM, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>>>>>> "Human" == Human Dunnil
<h.dunnil@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I was going to buy a MacBook but I found a story on digg.com about
>> case discoloring and after googling the subject I found MacBook
>> defects:
I have a MacBook and absolutely love it. I have experienced no ill  
effects, it''s the best laptop I have every owned, wouldn''t
trade it
for a thing, well, except maybe an ultralight airplane but they are  
quite a bit more expensive :-)

Jeremy

> I have a MacBook and absolutely love it. I have experienced no ill
> effects, it''s the best laptop I have every owned,
wouldn''t trade it
> for a thing, well, except maybe an ultralight airplane but they are
> quite a bit more expensive :-)
>
> Jeremy
Nope, you''ll get a used one for about the same price if you shop around
:-P

Blue skies,

Matt.

Human Dunnil wrote:
> I was going to buy a MacBook but I found a story on digg.com about
> case discoloring and after googling the subject I found MacBook
> defects:
Strangely enough I placed an order for a MacBook prior to this story 
coming out a couple of days ago.  Once the story broke I really had to 
sit down and think about it.  Did I really want all these issues with 
the 1st generation MacBooks?  The "Mooooing", "Whine",
"Discoloration",
"Heat", etc.?  Perhaps I''d luck out and get a MacBook that
had none of
the issues, or I could get a bad one.  I ended up cancelling my order 
yesterday with Apple.  I''m going to wait a couple months and let them 
rev the MacBooks a bit more before I sink some money into it.  I 
currently have two iMacs at home so I''m really in no rush at this time.
The iMacs both run great, no issues at all.  Thats how I''ll want my 
MacBook :-)

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> I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on buying it
yet - no
> sftp support is the stumbling point for me.
Have you tried the FTP client Transmit? It has support for SFTP and 
allows seemless in-line editing using TextMate.

Lindsay

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On 6/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on buying it
yet - no
> sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my Windows
> machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the occasional
> game).
Actually I''m glad they didn''t cram FTP/SFTP stuff in there. I
just
feel that working with the files straight on the server is just
begging it to ruin your work. I did do that once but stopped after a
transfer failed and the file that I was working on got ruined.

Now everything is done using SVN. When I''m happy with my changes all I
need to do is type "svn up" inside the server and everything is happy
again.



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J?n Borg??rsson wrote:
> On 6/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on
buying it yet - no
>> sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my Windows
>> machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the occasional
>> game).
> 
> Actually I''m glad they didn''t cram FTP/SFTP stuff in
there. I just
> feel that working with the files straight on the server is just
> begging it to ruin your work. I did do that once but stopped after a
> transfer failed and the file that I was working on got ruined.
> 
> Now everything is done using SVN. When I''m happy with my changes
all I
> need to do is type "svn up" inside the server and everything is
happy
> again.
Many other editors "cram" s/ftp support in, with no ill effects.
Editing
files on anything other than the server is incredibly tedious. And I''ve
NEVER ruined my work with failed transfers or anything else (perhaps you 
need to use temp files).

Joe

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If you guys used version control to push to your servers you''d forget
all
about ftp...

On 6/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> J?n Borg??rsson wrote:
> > On 6/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I''ve tried out TextMate, but haven''t decided on
buying it yet - no
> >> sftp support is the stumbling point for me. Still, I fire up my
Windows
> >> machine once in a while to do other stuff (like play the
occasional
> >> game).
> >
> > Actually I''m glad they didn''t cram FTP/SFTP stuff in
there. I just
> > feel that working with the files straight on the server is just
> > begging it to ruin your work. I did do that once but stopped after a
> > transfer failed and the file that I was working on got ruined.
> >
> > Now everything is done using SVN. When I''m happy with my
changes all I
> > need to do is type "svn up" inside the server and everything
is happy
> > again.
>
> Many other editors "cram" s/ftp support in, with no ill effects.
Editing
> files on anything other than the server is incredibly tedious. And
I''ve
> NEVER ruined my work with failed transfers or anything else (perhaps you
> need to use temp files).
>
> Joe
>
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> If you guys used version control to push to your servers you''d
forget all
> about ftp...
There are still valid needs for ftp/sftp. Not for developing
necessarily, but for administration.

-TJ

Wy not the just put /etc under subversion control?
;)

Yeah I get that FTP access can be useful in some cases. But I honestly
think that it is a minor issue for minoroty of people. I think I have
seen 3 people complaining about the lack of FTP.

On 6/15/06, TJ Stankus <tj@stank.us> wrote:
> > If you guys used version control to push to your servers
you''d forget all
> > about ftp...
>
> There are still valid needs for ftp/sftp. Not for developing
> necessarily, but for administration.
>
> -TJ
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subimage interactive wrote:
> If you guys used version control to push to your servers you''d
forget
> all
> about ftp...
Far too tedious - maintain two setups, svn ci, switch to server, svn 
update.

And, yes, I do use version control, on the server.

Joe

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J?n Borg??rsson wrote:
> Wy not the just put /etc under subversion control?
People do... (not me)
> Yeah I get that FTP access can be useful in some cases. But I honestly
> think that it is a minor issue for minoroty of people. I think I have
> seen 3 people complaining about the lack of FTP.
I''m truly curious how people work - install 
ruby/rails/mysql/postgresql/lighty/etc. locally, dev and edit locally, 
then svn ci, svn update on server with identical setup. I''m definitely 
not interested in replicating my server setup on my notebook - I''ll
just
create a separate dev rails dir on my server, if really necessary. 
Otherwise I''d like to work on remote files as if they''re
local, which
should be a piece of cake, except TextMate has some stupid polling 
feature which causes it to freeze for tens of seconds when using NFS and 
you switch from TM to another app and back again.

Joe

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> Yeah I get that FTP access can be useful in some cases. But I honestly
> think that it is a minor issue for minoroty of people. I think I have
> seen 3 people complaining about the lack of FTP.
Pshaw! Put / under version control! :)

I agree that it''s a minor issue. I use it infrequently enough that
Cyberduck + Textmate does the job for me. Then, there''s always ssh +
vi, too.

-TJ

Note to the "just use Cyberduck" crowd - it doesn''t work with
projects.
Only single files. Yuck.

Joe

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On 6/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I''m truly curious how people work - install
> ruby/rails/mysql/postgresql/lighty/etc. locally, dev and edit locally,
> then svn ci, svn update on server with identical setup. I''m
definitely
> not interested in replicating my server setup on my notebook -
I''ll just
> create a separate dev rails dir on my server, if really necessary.
> Otherwise I''d like to work on remote files as if they''re
local, which
> should be a piece of cake, except TextMate has some stupid polling
> feature which causes it to freeze for tens of seconds when using NFS and
> you switch from TM to another app and back again.
Only ruby/rails at my notebook. Use the servers MySQL.
Then I just use script/server at my notebook to start a local server.
No need for apache/lighty etc.

Then I create a SVN server. work on my application locally and when
I''m happy with the changes I do the command "svn update" on
my server
and thats all.

I think it''s the most common setup. And the only way to work if you
have more than one developer.

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I''ve just sent back my second MacBook and don''t know at this
stage whether I
will get another.

The first had a video defect which was causing a block of pixels to display
incorrect colours.   Sent this back and they sent out a replacement which
had a defective trackpad button (also had a dead pixel but I could have
lived with that).

I didn''t have overheating or other issues and the machines sure were
fast.    I think the factory QC is appalling for a machine to leave with
something as obvious as a defective trackpad button.   After two faulty
machines, I''ve opted to receive a refund.   Might buy one from a
reseller
next time - at least then I won''t have to go without a machine for 10
days
every time I get a faulty one!

Joe


On 6/15/06, Human Dunnil <h.dunnil@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
> First and foremost sorry for off topic message, but I thought maybe
> you smart guys can help me to decide about purchasing a MacBook or
> not.
>
> I was going to buy a MacBook but I found a story on digg.com about
> case discoloring and after googling the subject I found MacBook
> defects:
>
> http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro
>
> I''m totally confused, should I buy it? what about iMac?
> and the last question: you guys, who migrated from win/nix to mac,
> does it worth the money? (anything other than TextMate?)
>
> Thank you all in advance,
> - Dunnil
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
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Joe Ruby (if that is your real name),

I use Locomotive + MAMP under OS X, which means I have rails/lighty(I 
think)/mysql/phpmyadmin.  I think this is a great alternative to 
spending a good chunk of time building and configuring server software 
on your laptop.  I''d rather have someone else tinker with the 
configuration.  Besides, if some server software configuration gets 
hosed somehow, then it''s really easy to wipe out and reinstall.

I don''t see the motivation for editing files on the server during the 
development process.  I''d much rather keep as much stuff local as 
possible to keep development cycles short.  And besides, that way my 
development environment is totally portable (as in I can work on the 
train).  I use TextMate for editing locally, and commit to svn directly 
through TextMate, then use capistrano to deploy into a test environment 
when I reach a small development milestone (at least several times a 
week).  From a configuration management standpoint, editing files on a 
server is a Bad Idea, but I won''t get into that now.

I would strongly recommend you take a serious look at using svn and 
capistrano for deployment.  The svn ci method is ok, but it makes me 
uneasy to have version control-related files in my production 
environment.  Capistrano gives you a lot more control over deployment of 
your app onto your server.  It is super easy to roll back to a previous 
deployed version, and it has hooks for running migrations and executing 
commands on the server, and you can deploy without even logging into 
your server.  It''s as simple as "rake deploy" to deploy and
"rake
rollback" to go back to the previously deployed version, including 
running migrations.

It really only took me about an hour to read the documentation and set 
it up.

Ken

Joe Ruby wrote:
> I''m truly curious how people work - install 
> ruby/rails/mysql/postgresql/lighty/etc. locally, dev and edit locally, 
> then svn ci, svn update on server with identical setup. I''m
definitely
> not interested in replicating my server setup on my notebook -
I''ll just
> create a separate dev rails dir on my server, if really necessary. 
> Otherwise I''d like to work on remote files as if they''re
local, which
> should be a piece of cake, except TextMate has some stupid polling 
> feature which causes it to freeze for tens of seconds when using NFS and 
> you switch from TM to another app and back again.
>