Rails - May 2006 - OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?

Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on windows.

 

Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo vids,
tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m interested
in
what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals do
thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...

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On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni
wrote:
>Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on windows.
>
>
>
>Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo vids,
>tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
interested in
>what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
>textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals do
>thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Rails mailing list
>Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
>http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>
I recently switched to a mac for development because.

1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,  
you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a single  
machine possible.
2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools to  
work with.
3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
4. peer pressure

The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.

_Kevin

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> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.

~ Ben

On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
<devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
windows.
> >
> >
> >
> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
vids,
> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
interested in
> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals do
> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Rails mailing list
> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
>
> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a single
> machine possible.
> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools to
> work with.
> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> 4. peer pressure
>
>
> _Kevin
>
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Have you looked at svnX?

http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/


On May 19, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Ben Reubenstein wrote:
>> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
>> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on  
>> windows.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails  
>> (demo vids,
>> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
>> interested in
>> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
>> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37  
>> signals do
>> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Rails mailing list
>> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
>> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>> >
>> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
>>
>> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
>> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a  
>> single
>> machine possible.
>> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice  
>> tools to
>> work with.
>> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
>> 4. peer pressure
>>
>>
>> _Kevin
>>
>> --
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>
>
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- Bill

I found svnX to be acceptable. I set things up on the command line but
use svnX to commit, update, add etc.

http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/


On 5/19/06, Ben Reubenstein <benr@x-cr.com> wrote:
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m interested in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Rails mailing list
> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
> > --
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> >
>
>
> --
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> 303-947-0446
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On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Bill Pennington
wrote:
>Have you looked at svnX?
>
>http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/
>
>
>On May 19, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Ben Reubenstein wrote:
>
>>> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>>
>> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
>> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
>> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>>
>> ~ Ben
>>
>> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
>> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
>>> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
>>>>> windows.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails
>>
>>>(demo vids,
>>> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m >>
>>>interested in
>>> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
>>> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
>>
>>>signals do
>>> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >Rails mailing list
>>> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
>>> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>>> >
>>> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
>>>
>>> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and
parallels,
>>> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
>>>>> single
>>> machine possible.
>>> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice
>>
>>>tools to
>>> work with.
>>> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
>>> 4. peer pressure
>>>
>>>
>>> _Kevin
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ben Reubenstein
>> 303-947-0446
>> http://www.benr75.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>>
>
>
>
>- Bill
>
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That is what I''m using now, but it''s just not as easy (or as
fast) as
TortoiseSVN.

_Kevin

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Kevin Olbrich wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> 
> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
In my copy of TextMate, control-shift-A brings up a list of subversion 
commands I can choose from. I only use a shell for the less-common ones.

--Al Evans

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Hi,
I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about $800)
-- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and I''ll
be
connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using
RoR and MySQL.
Cheers,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
Reubenstein
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.

~ Ben

On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
<devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
windows.
> >
> >
> >
> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
vids,
> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
interested
in
> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals
do
> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Rails mailing list
> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
>
> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
single
> machine possible.
> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
to
> work with.
> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> 4. peer pressure
>
>
> _Kevin
>
> --
> Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
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My advices:
dont get the ram from Apple! Buy it from elsewhere and upgrade it 
yourself, you will save some cash. Also, make sure you have at least 
1gig.

Get an external HD, preferably FW sicne it is faster and will spare the 
CPU.

Personnaly, I would get wireless internet and mouse/keyboard just 
because I hate cables.

Software to get: Textmate and CSSEdit. Two great software and  must for 
every webdev!

There are a lot of accessories made by third parties for the mini, look 
around!

You should also consider the new macbook, they cost a bit more but are 
way faster and cooler!

And welcome to the mac community!


-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re need
portability.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
> Reubenstein
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
> windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
> vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m interested
> in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Rails mailing list
> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
> to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
> > --
> > Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Reubenstein
> 303-947-0446
> http://www.benr75.com
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Thank you for the good advice...I will take it. 
I hope I can return the favor someday.
Cheers,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Alain Pilon
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:20 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: [Rails] Re: RE: OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?

My advices:
dont get the ram from Apple! Buy it from elsewhere and upgrade it 
yourself, you will save some cash. Also, make sure you have at least 
1gig.

Get an external HD, preferably FW sicne it is faster and will spare the 
CPU.

Personnaly, I would get wireless internet and mouse/keyboard just 
because I hate cables.

Software to get: Textmate and CSSEdit. Two great software and  must for 
every webdev!

There are a lot of accessories made by third parties for the mini, look 
around!

You should also consider the new macbook, they cost a bit more but are 
way faster and cooler!

And welcome to the mac community!


-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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No. This will not require much from your hardware.
If you want to use java based IDE or anything like that you might want
to get at least 1gb of ram since Java is a big memory hogger.

I''m mostly developing on a 12" PowerBookG4 with 512 mb ram.
It''s works
fine. I have the standard Textmate, Safari, iTerm and DarwinPorts
setup. If you get a Mac Mini or a MacBook now you will have at least 2
times faster computer so you should be ok.

On 5/20/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
> Reubenstein
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
> windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
> vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m interested
> in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Rails mailing list
> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
> to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
> > --
> > Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Reubenstein
> 303-947-0446
> http://www.benr75.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>

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Good evening Conrad,
I''m planning on implementing three applications using RoR.
I''ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac Mini.
What do you think would be a good configuration - ie OSX, Tiger,
External Hard Drive, memory.
I currently have a LinkSys router but I''m going to go with a wireless
router (to connect to my cable modem) - I''m also looking at a wireless
mouse and keyboard.
I need the external hard drive for backups.
Good weekend,
Pat
 
-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
 
Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re need
portability.

Peace,

-Conrad
On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net> wrote:
Hi,
I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about $800)
-- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and I''ll
be
connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using

RoR and MySQL.
Cheers,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto: <mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org>
rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
Reubenstein
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac? 
> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion. 

~ Ben

On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
<devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote: 
> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
windows.
> >
> >
> >
> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
vids,
> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
interested
in
> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals
do
> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else... 
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Rails mailing list
> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
>
> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels, 
> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
single
> machine possible.
> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
to
> work with.
> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC. 
> 4. peer pressure
>
>
> _Kevin
>
> --
> Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
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Hey Nathan, your question is like asking what are the pros to developing
.net on windows.  Anyway, here are the pros to developing Rails on Mac OS X:

1)  Mac OS X
2)  Unix based (FreeBSD + Mach Kernel)
3)  Many Unix and Commercial Applications
4)  It''s the BEST commerical OS out there with the best hardware
     to go along with it.
5)  Wasn''t Ruby and Rails born in the Unix environment?  If so, then
     this is another reason.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/19/06, Nathan P. Verni <nverni@blenderbox.com>
wrote:
>
>  Caveat: this is not a discussion about **hosting** a rails app on
> windows.
>
>
>
> Anyway?Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo vids,
> tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
interested in
> what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides textmate).
> Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals do thing, is it a
> unix thing, or something else?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
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Hey Pat, if you''re buying RAM, don''t get the less quality
stuff to save a
buck.  You can save money by going outside of Apple but you want to look for
the same quality of RAM.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net>
wrote:
>
> Thank you for the good advice...I will take it.
> I hope I can return the favor someday.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Alain Pilon
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:20 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: [Rails] Re: RE: OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> My advices:
> dont get the ram from Apple! Buy it from elsewhere and upgrade it
> yourself, you will save some cash. Also, make sure you have at least
> 1gig.
>
> Get an external HD, preferably FW sicne it is faster and will spare the
> CPU.
>
> Personnaly, I would get wireless internet and mouse/keyboard just
> because I hate cables.
>
> Software to get: Textmate and CSSEdit. Two great software and  must for
> every webdev!
>
> There are a lot of accessories made by third parties for the mini, look
> around!
>
> You should also consider the new macbook, they cost a bit more but are
> way faster and cooler!
>
> And welcome to the mac community!
>
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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No more Java or ASP.Net for me...I''ve really ''fallen in
love'' with RoR.
I''m planning on putting up three applications using it and MySql, wish
me luck.

I''m currently going thru the ''Pick Axe'' book and the
''AWDWR'' book and
for the first time in a long time, I''m really having a ball...

Good weekend and thanks for the advice. 
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Jon Gretar
Borgthorsson
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:41 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?

No. This will not require much from your hardware.
If you want to use java based IDE or anything like that you might want
to get at least 1gb of ram since Java is a big memory hogger.

I''m mostly developing on a 12" PowerBookG4 with 512 mb ram.
It''s works
fine. I have the standard Textmate, Safari, iTerm and DarwinPorts
setup. If you get a Mac Mini or a MacBook now you will have at least 2
times faster computer so you should be ok.

On 5/20/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll
be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
> Reubenstein
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
> windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
> vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m
interested
> in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Rails mailing list
> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and
parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
> to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
> > --
> > Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Reubenstein
> 303-947-0446
> http://www.benr75.com
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Hey Pat, the black MacBook looks GREAT.  I saw it and simply said,
"WOW...".  Thus, I would highly look at getting a MacBook because you
can
add an external monitor when you''re at home but allows you to be mobile
as
well.  For example, your clients would
like you to come to the office; laptop for demostration.  I would recommend
the following development environment:

o MacBook (Mac OS X comes installed)
o Max out the memory to 2 GB
o  Get a network external harddrive
o  LinkSys router is good
    a)  connect the networt drive to the router
o  Add an AirPort Express for wireless (printing and connectivity to
internet)

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net>
wrote:
>
>   Good evening Conrad,
>
> I''m pl anning on implementing three applications using RoR.
>
> I''ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac Mini?
>
> What do you think would be a good configuration ? ie OSX, Tiger, External
> Hard Drive, memory?
>
> I currently have a LinkSys router but I''m going to go with a
wireless
> router (to connect to my cable modem) ? I''m also looking at a
wireless mouse
> and keyboard.
>
> I need the external hard drive for backups?
>
> Good weekend,
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org [mailto:
> rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] *On Behalf Of *Conrad Taylor
> *Sent:* Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
> *To:* rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
>
>
> Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re need
> portability.
>
> Peace,
>
> -Conrad
>
> On 5/19/06, *Pat Lynch* < lynchnco@patmedia.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
> Reubenstein
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
> windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
> vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m interested
> in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Rails mailing list
> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
> to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
> > --
> > Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Reubenstein
> 303-947-0446
> http://www.benr75.com
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> 4. peer pressure
I''m going to go against the grain here.

I''ve done the textmate thing. Looks nice, but well, it''s
*just* a text
editor (ducks for cover). If you want full integration of your
workflow go no further than RadRails + Subclipse. In IDE versioning of
your files, code assist, data navigator, rails generators etc etc etc.
It''s nice and has a lot of promise for the future for where
it''s
going.

My preference is actually WinXP (even though I can have either, it''s
my preference). Maybe as I''ve lived on XP for so long.. and that
desktop gui performance just feels way more snappier than OSX. At
work, it''s full time RadRails work on OSX (Tiger). At home
it''s
Windows + RadRails + PuTTY for managing servers, or Suse 10.1 which
I''m trying to get some love for to feel better about my open source
self.

OS X can be a right royal PITA for getting stuff compiled and working
on it, you''ll find some stuff just doesn''t work as advertised
(eg
compiling graphicsmagick via darwinports). I''d far prefer to manage a
*nix box via PuTTY and keep windows for development.

That fantastic thing about Rails is you can run it on windows without any pain.

That''s my experience at any rate.
Rowan


On 5/19/06, Conrad Taylor <conradwt@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey Pat, the black MacBook looks GREAT.  I saw it and simply said,
"WOW...".
>  Thus, I would highly look at getting a MacBook because you can add an
> external monitor when you''re at home but allows you to be mobile
as well.
> For example, your clients would
>  like you to come to the office; laptop for demostration.  I would
recommend
> the following development environment:
>
>  o MacBook (Mac OS X comes installed)
>  o Max out the memory to 2 GB
>  o  Get a network external harddrive
>  o  LinkSys router is good
>      a)  connect the networt drive to the router
>  o  Add an AirPort Express for wireless (printing and connectivity to
> internet)
>
>  Peace,
>
>  -Conrad
>
>
> On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good evening Conrad,
> >
> > I''m pl anning on implementing three applications using RoR.
> >
> >
> > I''ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac Mini?
> >
> > What do you think would be a good configuration ? ie OSX, Tiger,
External
> Hard Drive, memory?
> >
> > I currently have a LinkSys router but I''m going to go with a
wireless
> router (to connect to my cable modem) ? I''m also looking at a
wireless mouse
> and keyboard.
> >
> > I need the external hard drive for backups?
> >
> > Good weekend,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of
> Conrad Taylor
> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
> > To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re
need
> portability.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > -Conrad
> >
> >
> > On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch < lynchnco@patmedia.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost
about $800)
> > -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll be
> > connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web
Development using
> > RoR and MySQL.
> > Cheers,
> > Pat
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > [mailto: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf
> Of Ben
> > Reubenstein
> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> > To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
> >
> > > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
> >
> > Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> > myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> > Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
> >
> > ~ Ben
> >
> > On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> > <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app
on
> > windows.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails
(demo
> > vids,
> > > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m interested
> > in
> > > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are
(besides
> > > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> > do
> > > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >Rails mailing list
> > > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > > >
> > > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> > >
> > > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and
parallels,
> > > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> > single
> > > machine possible.
> > > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice
tools
> > to
> > > work with.
> > > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > > 4. peer pressure
> > >
> > >
> > > _Kevin
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rails mailing list
> > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ben Reubenstein
> > 303-947-0446
> > http://www.benr75.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>

Pat Lynch wrote:
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
The mini is great.  I have one for doing some cross-platform 
development.  Downside is that it can''t drive two monitors.  I
don''t
know how the hell anyone gets stuff done with just one monitor.

   Jake

-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Hey Rowan, I haven''t had any troubles compiling any of those things
that you mentioned.  Also, I don''t have to go through the trouble of
installing another OS as in Suse 10.1 or another application like
Putty.  It comes standard out of the box.  However, I do agree with
you in regards to RadRails and that it has alot of promise.
Furthermore, I can create my own Rails tutorial videos, create
podcasts, and make
this available to the Rails community. In Mac OS X, it simply works.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/19/06, Rowan Hick <mail@rowanhick.com> wrote:
> > 4. peer pressure
> I''m going to go against the grain here.
>
> I''ve done the textmate thing. Looks nice, but well, it''s
*just* a text
> editor (ducks for cover). If you want full integration of your
> workflow go no further than RadRails + Subclipse. In IDE versioning of
> your files, code assist, data navigator, rails generators etc etc etc.
> It''s nice and has a lot of promise for the future for where
it''s
> going.
>
> My preference is actually WinXP (even though I can have either,
it''s
> my preference). Maybe as I''ve lived on XP for so long.. and that
> desktop gui performance just feels way more snappier than OSX. At
> work, it''s full time RadRails work on OSX (Tiger). At home
it''s
> Windows + RadRails + PuTTY for managing servers, or Suse 10.1 which
> I''m trying to get some love for to feel better about my open
source
> self.
>
> OS X can be a right royal PITA for getting stuff compiled and working
> on it, you''ll find some stuff just doesn''t work as
advertised (eg
> compiling graphicsmagick via darwinports). I''d far prefer to
manage a
> *nix box via PuTTY and keep windows for development.
>
> That fantastic thing about Rails is you can run it on windows without any
pain.
>
> That''s my experience at any rate.
> Rowan
>
>
> On 5/19/06, Conrad Taylor <conradwt@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Pat, the black MacBook looks GREAT.  I saw it and simply said,
"WOW...".
> >  Thus, I would highly look at getting a MacBook because you can add an
> > external monitor when you''re at home but allows you to be
mobile as well.
> > For example, your clients would
> >  like you to come to the office; laptop for demostration.  I would
recommend
> > the following development environment:
> >
> >  o MacBook (Mac OS X comes installed)
> >  o Max out the memory to 2 GB
> >  o  Get a network external harddrive
> >  o  LinkSys router is good
> >      a)  connect the networt drive to the router
> >  o  Add an AirPort Express for wireless (printing and connectivity to
> > internet)
> >
> >  Peace,
> >
> >  -Conrad
> >
> >
> > On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good evening Conrad,
> > >
> > > I''m pl anning on implementing three applications using
RoR.
> > >
> > >
> > > I''ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac
Mini?
> > >
> > > What do you think would be a good configuration ? ie OSX, Tiger,
External
> > Hard Drive, memory?
> > >
> > > I currently have a LinkSys router but I''m going to go
with a wireless
> > router (to connect to my cable modem) ? I''m also looking at a
wireless mouse
> > and keyboard.
> > >
> > > I need the external hard drive for backups?
> > >
> > > Good weekend,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > [mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of
> > Conrad Taylor
> > > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
> > > To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if
you''re need
> > portability.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >
> > > -Conrad
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch < lynchnco@patmedia.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini -
cost about $800)
> > > -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and
I''ll be
> > > connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web
Development using
> > > RoR and MySQL.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > > [mailto: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf
> > Of Ben
> > > Reubenstein
> > > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> > > To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
> > >
> > > > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
> > >
> > > Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> > > myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> > > Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
> > >
> > > ~ Ben
> > >
> > > On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> > > <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > > > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails
app on
> > > windows.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching
rails (demo
> > > vids,
> > > > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m interested
> > > in
> > > > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are
(besides
> > > > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would
37 signals
> > > do
> > > > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > > > >
> > > > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> > > >
> > > > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and
parallels,
> > > > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing
on a
> > > single
> > > > machine possible.
> > > > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some
nice tools
> > > to
> > > > work with.
> > > > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > > > 4. peer pressure
> > > >
> > > >
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Conrad Taylor wrote:
> Hey Nathan, your question is like asking what are the pros to developing
> .net on windows.  Anyway, here are the pros to developing Rails on Mac 
> OS X:
> 
> 1)  Mac OS X
> 2)  Unix based (FreeBSD + Mach Kernel)
> 3)  Many Unix and Commercial Applications
> 4)  It''s the BEST commerical OS out there with the best hardware
>      to go along with it.
> 5)  Wasn''t Ruby and Rails born in the Unix environment?  If so,
then
>      this is another reason.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> -Conrad
Not to start a fight here, but none of these justify "developing
Rails"
on a Mac.  They may argue Mac over PC.... but...

Here are my arguments that it doesn''t matter:

1. Webrick runs on Mac and Windows just fine.
2. Eclipse / RadRails runs on both just fine.
3. SVN runs on both just fine.
   +Windows - TortoiseSVN is great.
4. +Mac - TextMate, though I haven''t bought into that myself yet.
5. Ruby runs on both just fine -- therefore you get the generators, 
Capistrano, etc.

Simple fact is that I do lots of other stuff on a computer.  Most of 
that stuff (in my case) makes it more reasonable to stick with a PC.  I 
really enjoy using the Mac, but I''m not going to force that decision. 
If you already have a PC and are comfortable on it, I think it would be 
silly to change horses.  Both platforms have their quirks.

A Mac will not make your application any better.

   Jake

-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Exactly and if you''re comfortable on a PC then you needn''t
fall for
the peer pressure thing :) Too many religious nerdy internet flame
wars can start over this debate.

I was just chucking my 2c worth in the ring that windows is very
viable for development on.
Maybe in a year or two''s time with OS X I may be one of those
uber-nerdy nix cli proficient dudes that I''m more productive under
OSX, but (again for me), I''m happier under windows and that = more
productive. All the tools I use are the same if not better under
windows so that makes sense for me.

Where I *do* see benefit is under really tricky little shell scripts
managing your servers rsyncing/scping all those little bitty files
etc. But if you''re doing all the you likely wouldn''t be
needing to ask
the question :)

R

On 5/19/06, Jake Janovetz <jake@janovetz.com>
wrote:
>
> Simple fact is that I do lots of other stuff on a computer.  Most of
> that stuff (in my case) makes it more reasonable to stick with a PC.  I
> really enjoy using the Mac, but I''m not going to force that
decision.
> If you already have a PC and are comfortable on it, I think it would be
> silly to change horses.  Both platforms have their quirks.
>
> A Mac will not make your application any better.
>
>    Jake
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
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>

hey Jake, you can work with whatever platform you feel comfortable
with but please don''t ask questions why people use one platform over
another.  If the developer
writes X on a platform, then don''t expect it to be on every other
platform.  Next,
those were my reasons for enjoying development on Mac OS X and it''s not
your
reason to switch.  I have alot of Unix tools that I''ll never see
native on the XP
platform and most wouldn''t work anyways because of the way that XP
poorly
does memory management and I have been assured that these things will be
resolved by MS Support with Windows Vista.  Finally, I do alot of video editing
with Final Cut Pro, compositing with Shake, and animation work with Maya and
these applications either don''t exist and/or don''t run well
with XP.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/19/06, Jake Janovetz <jake@janovetz.com>
wrote:
> Conrad Taylor wrote:
> > Hey Nathan, your question is like asking what are the pros to
developing
> > .net on windows.  Anyway, here are the pros to developing Rails on Mac
> > OS X:
> >
> > 1)  Mac OS X
> > 2)  Unix based (FreeBSD + Mach Kernel)
> > 3)  Many Unix and Commercial Applications
> > 4)  It''s the BEST commerical OS out there with the best
hardware
> >      to go along with it.
> > 5)  Wasn''t Ruby and Rails born in the Unix environment?  If
so, then
> >      this is another reason.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > -Conrad
>
> Not to start a fight here, but none of these justify "developing
Rails"
> on a Mac.  They may argue Mac over PC.... but...
>
> Here are my arguments that it doesn''t matter:
>
> 1. Webrick runs on Mac and Windows just fine.
> 2. Eclipse / RadRails runs on both just fine.
> 3. SVN runs on both just fine.
>    +Windows - TortoiseSVN is great.
> 4. +Mac - TextMate, though I haven''t bought into that myself yet.
> 5. Ruby runs on both just fine -- therefore you get the generators,
> Capistrano, etc.
>
> Simple fact is that I do lots of other stuff on a computer.  Most of
> that stuff (in my case) makes it more reasonable to stick with a PC.  I
> really enjoy using the Mac, but I''m not going to force that
decision.
> If you already have a PC and are comfortable on it, I think it would be
> silly to change horses.  Both platforms have their quirks.
>
> A Mac will not make your application any better.
>
>    Jake
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> Rails mailing list
> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>

The Mini is great, but go for a portable instead.

2.5 years ago I thought I was the last person to get a portable.

I had computers everywhere I worked, so why would I need one?

I bought it because I was traveling. Now I''m no longer traveling
as much, but there''s NO WAY I''d go back to a desktop system.

Having all of your stuff where ever you are is fantastic.

--  
-- Tom Mornini


On May 19, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Pat Lynch wrote:
> Good evening Conrad,
>
> I?m planning on implementing three applications using RoR.
>
> I?ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac Mini?
>
> What do you think would be a good configuration ? ie OSX, Tiger,  
> External Hard Drive, memory?
>
> I currently have a LinkSys router but I?m going to go with a  
> wireless router (to connect to my cable modem) ? I?m also looking  
> at a wireless mouse and keyboard.
>
> I need the external hard drive for backups?
>
> Good weekend,
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org [mailto:rails- 
> bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
>
>
> Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re need  
> portability.
>
> Peace,
>
> -Conrad
>
> On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and  
> I''ll be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
> using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
> Reubenstein
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
> windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
> vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m
> interested
> in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Rails mailing list
> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and  
> parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
> to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
> > --
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> >
>
>
> --
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> 303-947-0446
> http://www.benr75.com
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The little bitty files etc. are part and parcel of that annoying development
thing. rsync and scp are important tools and supported spottily under
Windows. If you are deploying to a Windows server, it makes sense to run
Windows. If you are deploying to a *nix server, you will run into problems
-- probably with permissions -- that you simply couldn''t have foreseen.
And
it will happen exactly when you promised to show the app to your client.

I''ve developed happily on Windows for years. I know how to make Windows
run
from the command line. Heck, I even know the #@$& PC BIOS. But I still
develop Web apps that target *nix platforms on a Mac. I''ve just been
bitten
too many times by the "I''m going to just make one little change
here..." bug
that leaves a permission bit unset on the server and you know the rest.

Of course with Bootcamp and Parallel, you don''t have to make a choice,
do
you?

That''s my $.02 :)
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I''m in the process of switching my development over to osx.
So far the experience has been great, and I feel like it''s a step
forward.
Unfortunately there are still a few pretty big annoyances.

1. The key bindings that I use the most don''t exist. No control arrow
to
jump between words, or home/end for lines.
Textmate can be configured for them to work, but I''m having a hard time
getting around everything else without them.

2. No tortoise svn. There''s a port (http://scplugin.tigris.org/), but
it''s
inactive, and hasn''t been built for intel chips.

3. Navicat for osx sucks comapred to the windows version.

4. No split panes in textmate.
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On 5/20/06, Joshua Bates <joshuabates@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I''m in the process of switching my development over to osx.
> So far the experience has been great, and I feel like it''s a step
forward.
> Unfortunately there are still a few pretty big annoyances.
>
> 1. The key bindings that I use the most don''t exist. No control
arrow to
> jump between words, or home/end for lines.
> Textmate can be configured for them to work, but I''m having a hard
time
> getting around everything else without them.
Well.. In my textmate I am able to switch between words by holding
down ALT and using the arrows. Going to end of line is done with CTRL
and arrows keys.
>
> 2. No tortoise svn. There''s a port (http://scplugin.tigris.org/ ),
but it''s
> inactive, and hasn''t been built for intel chips.
svnX is nowhere close to being as good as Tortoise. But the only thing
I use really is add, commit and update. And svnX is fast and snappy. I
at least have found it to be prefectly acceptable
>
> 3. Navicat for osx sucks comapred to the windows version.
You have to realise that switching between operating system means that
you can''t use excactly the same software. As far as to mysql goes then
I firmly believe that you don''t need much software for it. I think
it''s best to learn to use migrations to fully use the power of RoR.
Nevertheless it''s nice to have a mysql client for when you need to
delete many rows or make minor changes. But in that I prefer
simplicity over features so I am absolutely in love with yourSQL.

More SQL clients:
http://www.versiontracker.com/php/search.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=mysql&plt%5B%5D=macosx&x=0&y=0
>
> 4. No split panes in textmate.
Totally agree. But the great diff support minimized my need for it.
>
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The key bindings issue is one you will either have to solve by remapping (and
TextMate observes these remappings quite well) or by learning the Mac
standard keys. After using Windows and only Windows since 3.0, I got a Mac
in ''97 but used Macs only for graphics. I switched my Web development
over
to the Mac full time only in the last five months -- I''m really not
using
the PC anymore except for testing. What''s weird is that I so completely
retrained myself that it seems as strange to do all the Windows key
combinations now as it did when I first started using the Mac key mappings.

I''ve tried Navicat for the Mac and it just wasn''t made-for-Mac
software. Try
CocoaMySQL.

http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net

Oh, and please consider migrations instead of the GUI. They are so much more
powerful because you can run the migration and test it on you dev machine,
then run the exact same migration on your staging and/or production server.

And yeah, split panes would be a great feature for TM.
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Mac vs. Windows vs. BSD/Linux

This seems like a wiki topic. It''s only a stub

http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/DevelopmentEnvironments

Thanks Conrad.I''ll take a look at it.I''m going to make a
purchase in
June.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:04 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
 
Hey Pat, the black MacBook looks GREAT.  I saw it and simply said,
"WOW...".  Thus, I would highly look at getting a MacBook because you
can add an external monitor when you''re at home but allows you to be
mobile as well.  For example, your clients would 
like you to come to the office; laptop for demostration.  I would
recommend the following development environment:

o MacBook (Mac OS X comes installed)
o Max out the memory to 2 GB
o  Get a network external harddrive
o  LinkSys router is good
    a)  connect the networt drive to the router
o  Add an AirPort Express for wireless (printing and connectivity to
internet)

Peace,

-Conrad
On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net
<mailto:lynchnco@patmedia.net> > wrote:
Good evening Conrad,
I''m pl anning on implementing three applications using RoR.
I''ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac Mini.
What do you think would be a good configuration - ie OSX, Tiger,
External Hard Drive, memory.
I currently have a LinkSys router but I''m going to go with a wireless
router (to connect to my cable modem) - I''m also looking at a wireless
mouse and keyboard.
I need the external hard drive for backups.
Good weekend,
Pat
 
-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
 
Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re need
portability.

Peace,

-Conrad
On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch < lynchnco@patmedia.net
<mailto:lynchnco@patmedia.net> > wrote:
Hi,
I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about $800)
-- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and I''ll
be
connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
using

RoR and MySQL.
Cheers,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
[mailto: <mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org>
rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
Reubenstein
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac? 
> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion. 

~ Ben

On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
<devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote: 
> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
windows.
> >
> >
> >
> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
vids,
> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes).  I''m
interested
in
> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37 signals
do
> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else... 
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Rails mailing list
> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >
> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
>
> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and parallels, 
> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
single
> machine possible.
> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
to
> work with.
> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC. 
> 4. peer pressure
>
>
> _Kevin
>
> --
> Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your mailbox.
> _______________________________________________ 
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Tom,
Thanks for the advice...I''ll take a look at the portable...I''m
planning
on making a purchase in June.
Good week,
Pat

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[mailto:rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Tom Mornini
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:55 AM
To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?

The Mini is great, but go for a portable instead.

2.5 years ago I thought I was the last person to get a portable.

I had computers everywhere I worked, so why would I need one?

I bought it because I was traveling. Now I''m no longer traveling
as much, but there''s NO WAY I''d go back to a desktop system.

Having all of your stuff where ever you are is fantastic.

--  
-- Tom Mornini


On May 19, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Pat Lynch wrote:
> Good evening Conrad,
>
> I''m planning on implementing three applications using RoR.
>
> I''ll take a look at MacBook, but I really like the Mac Mini.
>
> What do you think would be a good configuration - ie OSX, Tiger,  
> External Hard Drive, memory.
>
> I currently have a LinkSys router but I''m going to go with a  
> wireless router (to connect to my cable modem) - I''m also looking
> at a wireless mouse and keyboard.
>
> I need the external hard drive for backups.
>
> Good weekend,
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org [mailto:rails- 
> bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:21 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
>
>
> Hey Pat, I would recommend getting a new MacBook if you''re need  
> portability.
>
> Peace,
>
> -Conrad
>
> On 5/19/06, Pat Lynch <lynchnco@patmedia.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I''m going to switch to a Mac (probably the Mac Mini - cost about
$800)
> -- any advice on the hardware/software/OS/Disk configuration and  
> I''ll be
> connecting to a cable modem. I''m going to be doing Web Development
> using
> RoR and MySQL.
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org
> [mailto: rails-bounces@lists.rubyonrails.org] On Behalf Of Ben
> Reubenstein
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> Subject: Re: [Rails] OS for rails development: Windows vs. Mac?
>
> > The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
>
> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
>
> ~ Ben
>
> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> > >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails app on
> windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching rails (demo
> vids,
> > >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m
> interested
> in
> > >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are (besides
> > >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would 37
signals
> do
> > >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> > >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> > >
> > I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >
> > 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and  
> parallels,
> > you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on a
> single
> > machine possible.
> > 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice tools
> to
> > work with.
> > 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> > 4. peer pressure
> >
> >
> > _Kevin
> >
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>
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On 21 May 2006, at 03:11, s.ross wrote:
>
> The key bindings issue is one you will either have to solve by  
> remapping (and
> TextMate observes these remappings quite well) or by learning the Mac
> standard keys. After using Windows and only Windows since 3.0, I  
> got a Mac
> in ''97 but used Macs only for graphics. I switched my Web  
> development over
> to the Mac full time only in the last five months -- I''m really
not
> using
> the PC anymore except for testing. What''s weird is that I so  
> completely
> retrained myself that it seems as strange to do all the Windows key
> combinations now as it did when I first started using the Mac key  
> mappings.
>
> I''ve tried Navicat for the Mac and it just wasn''t
made-for-Mac
> software. Try
> CocoaMySQL.
>
> http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net
If you plan on using the latest version of MySQL, I believe you need  
to use the latest beta (I''m using it with success): http:// 
cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/beta/CocoaMySQL_0.7b3.zip

Best regards

Peter De Berdt

Hmm... considering the switch...

So what are the keyboard shortcuts when editing text (in any standard text
window not just under text mate under OS X) for
1. Select word
2. Delete a word (Backwards and forwards)
3. Move the cursor to the end of a line or the start
4. Move the cursor jumping per word

Is there something you can get for OS X to provide these sort of keyboard
shortcuts? It would seem ODD that they left this out of the standard OS feature
set since entering text is a common thing.

On May 23, 2006, at 05:16 PM, Jason wrote:
> Hmm... considering the switch...
>
> So what are the keyboard shortcuts when editing text (in any  
> standard text
> window not just under text mate under OS X) for
There''s no guarantee that all OS X text editors will follow these  
short cuts, although the vast majority of them do. For all apps that  
use the Cocoa text editing features, you get these automatically.
> 1. Select word
Cursor at start of word: shift + right-arrow
Cursor at end of word: shift + left-arrow
> 2. Delete a word (Backwards and forwards)
Backwards: cmd (aka. "open apple") + delete/backspace (depending on  
your keyboard labels)
Forwards: cmd + del (the key that''s next to home/end on full-size  
keyboards). This one is really hard to do on most laptop keyboards,  
since they don''t normally have this key...
> 3. Move the cursor to the end of a line or the start
End: cmd + right-arrow
Start: cmd + left-arrow
> 4. Move the cursor jumping per word
Forwards: option (aka. alt) + right-arrow
Backwards: option + left-arrow
> Is there something you can get for OS X to provide these sort of  
> keyboard
> shortcuts? It would seem ODD that they left this out of the  
> standard OS feature
> set since entering text is a common thing.
I guess I haven''t been following this thread closely... who said  
these keyboard shortcuts where left out? As I mentioned above, these  
are available, by default, for any app that uses the built-in text  
editing features of the Cocoa application framework. If the  
programmer chooses not to use this, that certainly can''t be the fault  
of the OS maker, can it?

-Brian

> Forwards: cmd + del (the key that''s next to home/end on full-size
> keyboards). This one is really hard to do on most laptop keyboards,  
> since they don''t normally have this key...
On my old TiBook, the Del key can be obtained by pressing Fn 
+Backspace. So it''s just one key extra.

Best regards

Peter De Berdt

> On my old TiBook, the Del key can be obtained by pressing Fn
> +Backspace. So it''s just one key extra.
Same on my AiBook. My personal favourites are control-k and control-y,
though you need to know emacs to know what they do. Sometimes multiple
cuts get confusing though...

An important thing for Windows users: home and end don''t work the
same, they skip to the start and end of the document. Use command+left
arrow and command+right arrow for this, or control-a and control-e if
you like your UNIX.
--
Phillip Hutchings
http://www.sitharus.com/

Hey Phillip, these are my favorites being that I''m a long time emacs
and
xemacs user.

Peace,

-Conrad

On 5/23/06, Phillip Hutchings <sitharus@sitharus.com>
wrote:
>
> > On my old TiBook, the Del key can be obtained by pressing Fn
> > +Backspace. So it''s just one key extra.
>
> Same on my AiBook. My personal favourites are control-k and control-y,
> though you need to know emacs to know what they do. Sometimes multiple
> cuts get confusing though...
>
> An important thing for Windows users: home and end don''t work the
> same, they skip to the start and end of the document. Use command+left
> arrow and command+right arrow for this, or control-a and control-e if
> you like your UNIX.
> --
> Phillip Hutchings
> http://www.sitharus.com/
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I use SmartSVN to access my subversion repository.  They have both
Mac, Windows and Linux clients.  I''m on a Windows platform so I use
their Win version.  I used SmartCVS for the longest time and recently
switched to Subversion so I was pleased that they have an SVN version
of their client.  But as for development of the Rails application
itself I use Linux (CentOS).

- Brent

On 19 May 2006 20:24:51 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
<devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Bill Pennington wrote:
> >Have you looked at svnX?
> >
>
>http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/
> >
> >
> >On May 19, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Ben Reubenstein wrote:
> >
> >>> The only thing I miss is TortoiseSVN.
> >>
> >> Seconded.  I prefer development on my Mac hands down, but I find
> >> myself at the command line doing svn commit, svn status, etc...
> >> Tortoise is a really great tool for subversion.
> >>
> >> ~ Ben
> >>
> >> On 19 May 2006 20:10:54 -0000, Kevin Olbrich
> >> <devlists-rubyonrails@devlists.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Nathan P. Verni wrote:
> >>> >Caveat: this is not a discussion about *hosting* a rails
app on
> >>>>> windows.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Anyway...Macs are everywhere you look when researching
rails >>
> >>>(demo vids,
> >>> >tutorials, and pictures from rails training classes). 
I''m >>
> >>>interested in
> >>> >what the pros to using a Mac for rails development are
(besides
> >>> >textmate).  Is it more of a cultural thing, a what would
37 >>
> >>>signals do
> >>> >thing, is it a unix thing, or something else...
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >_______________________________________________
> >>> >Rails mailing list
> >>> >Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
> >>> >http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >>> >
> >>> I recently switched to a mac for development because.
> >>>
> >>> 1. you can run nearly everything on it.  With bootcamp and
parallels,
> >>> you can run windows too.  This makes cross-platform testing on
a
> >>>>> single
> >>> machine possible.
> >>> 2. its fundamentally a *nix machine, which gives you some nice
>>
> >>>tools to
> >>> work with.
> >>> 3. You can''t get textmate on a PC.
> >>> 4. peer pressure
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _Kevin
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Posted with http://DevLists.com.  Sign up and save your
mailbox.
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ben Reubenstein
> >> 303-947-0446
> >> http://www.benr75.com
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >- Bill
> >
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> That is what I''m using now, but it''s just not as easy (or
as fast) as
> TortoiseSVN.
>
> _Kevin
>
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