Well, the worm has turned and I think I may actually get an Apple ;P. But I can''t decide which one. Pros and cons: 14" iBook: + modem (for when broadband kicks out, or on the road and there''s no WIFI) + screen is probably big enough (though I currently have a 15" Dell) + doesn''t get as hot as the MacBook + almost half the cost + less likely to get stolen - 1/4 to 1/5 as fast (in theory) - no isight (not a big deal) - older model - not as in the future ;) 15.x" MacBook Pro + Over 4-5x faster (though I''ve read reviews that say Apple''s claim is exaggerated) + remote + isight + screen has more resolution - gets hot - kinda wide for a laptop - lacks s-video (but adapter is available) - no modem (but usb modem is available) - superdrive is only 4x (rather than 8x) - almost twice as expensive - Apple''s latest and greatest - software that isn''t Universal or just doesn''t work on the new Intel platform - Firewire 400 instead of 800 - Applecare is $100 more - more likely to get stolen Despite my listing more negatives for the MacBook Pro, I''m still on the fence - price is probably the single biggest factor, followed by the "bells and whistles" factor. These are reviews I''ve read: http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_1_83GHz_Intel_Core_Duo/4505-3121_7-31736778-2.html?tag=nav http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?ex=1144040400&en=de1e4bebfc43dd98&ei=5070 Also, would you buy from Apple''s online store (any tax savings?), one of their physical stores, buy refurbished, or buy used from a third party (I heard Applecare transfers to new owners)? Thanks for any opinions! Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
What about a used iBook until the second round of Mac''s intel laptops and Adobe CS is available for the intel machines? I have an iBook and am going to wait to switch. On 3/31/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:> Well, the worm has turned and I think I may actually get an Apple ;P. > But I can''t decide which one. Pros and cons: > > 14" iBook: > + modem (for when broadband kicks out, or on the road and there''s no > WIFI) > + screen is probably big enough (though I currently have a 15" Dell) > + doesn''t get as hot as the MacBook > + almost half the cost > + less likely to get stolen > - 1/4 to 1/5 as fast (in theory) > - no isight (not a big deal) > - older model - not as in the future ;) > > 15.x" MacBook Pro > + Over 4-5x faster (though I''ve read reviews that say Apple''s claim is > exaggerated) > + remote > + isight > + screen has more resolution > - gets hot > - kinda wide for a laptop > - lacks s-video (but adapter is available) > - no modem (but usb modem is available) > - superdrive is only 4x (rather than 8x) > - almost twice as expensive > - Apple''s latest and greatest > - software that isn''t Universal or just doesn''t work on the new Intel > platform > - Firewire 400 instead of 800 > - Applecare is $100 more > - more likely to get stolen > > Despite my listing more negatives for the MacBook Pro, I''m still on the > fence - price is probably the single biggest factor, followed by the > "bells and whistles" factor. > > These are reviews I''ve read: > http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_1_83GHz_Intel_Core_Duo/4505-3121_7-31736778-2.html?tag=nav > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?ex=1144040400&en=de1e4bebfc43dd98&ei=5070 > > Also, would you buy from Apple''s online store (any tax savings?), one of > their physical stores, buy refurbished, or buy used from a third party > (I heard Applecare transfers to new owners)? > > Thanks for any opinions! > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Peter Michaux wrote:> What about a used iBook until the second round of Mac''s intel laptops > and Adobe CS is available for the intel machines? I have an iBook and > am going to wait to switch.Any idea what the second round Intel laptops will be like? And when? Also, where''s a good place to get a used iBook: eBay, classifieds, Craigslist, ...? Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
You can currently get great deals on refurbished Power Books on Apples site if price is an issue and you want something a little more then an iBook. Josh On 3/31/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Well, the worm has turned and I think I may actually get an Apple ;P. > But I can''t decide which one. Pros and cons: > > 14" iBook: > + modem (for when broadband kicks out, or on the road and there''s no > WIFI) > + screen is probably big enough (though I currently have a 15" Dell) > + doesn''t get as hot as the MacBook > + almost half the cost > + less likely to get stolen > - 1/4 to 1/5 as fast (in theory) > - no isight (not a big deal) > - older model - not as in the future ;) > > 15.x" MacBook Pro > + Over 4-5x faster (though I''ve read reviews that say Apple''s claim is > exaggerated) > + remote > + isight > + screen has more resolution > - gets hot > - kinda wide for a laptop > - lacks s-video (but adapter is available) > - no modem (but usb modem is available) > - superdrive is only 4x (rather than 8x) > - almost twice as expensive > - Apple''s latest and greatest > - software that isn''t Universal or just doesn''t work on the new Intel > platform > - Firewire 400 instead of 800 > - Applecare is $100 more > - more likely to get stolen > > Despite my listing more negatives for the MacBook Pro, I''m still on the > fence - price is probably the single biggest factor, followed by the > "bells and whistles" factor. > > These are reviews I''ve read: > > http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_1_83GHz_Intel_Core_Duo/4505-3121_7-31736778-2.html?tag=nav > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?ex=1144040400&en=de1e4bebfc43dd98&ei=5070 > > Also, would you buy from Apple''s online store (any tax savings?), one of > their physical stores, buy refurbished, or buy used from a third party > (I heard Applecare transfers to new owners)? > > Thanks for any opinions! > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060401/35185fad/attachment-0001.html
Yeah, I thought about that. But a (currently not listed) refurbished MacBook Pro is only $150 more than a mid-range refurbished PowerBook. Probably worth spending the extra $150 in that case ;). Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I have a 12" Powerbook 1.33ghz and my business partner has the new MacBook. The difference between the two is night and day. I have been looking to sell my 12" just to upgrade. It''s worth the extra, IMHO. Stuff like Photoshop is deathly slow, but anything that has been optimized, is unbelievably quick. -- Adam Lindsay adam.lindsay@gmail.com On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:16 AM, Joe wrote:> Yeah, I thought about that. But a (currently not listed) refurbished > MacBook Pro is only $150 more than a mid-range refurbished PowerBook. > Probably worth spending the extra $150 in that case ;). > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
>>>>> "joe" == joe <joe@yahoo.com> writes:> Well, the worm has turned and I think I may actually get an Apple ;P. > But I can''t decide which one. Pros and cons:> 14" iBook:You have noticed that the 14" and 12" iBook shave the same display resolution, I hope? You don''t get more pixels with the 14" one, just a physically larger machine. Is there any solid information on the MacBook''s battery life yet, by the way? One of the things I *really* like about my iBook is that I can get 6.5 hours of battery use out of it. -- Calle Dybedahl <calle@cyberpomo.com> http://www.livejournal.com/users/cdybedahl/ Try again. Try harder. -*- Fail again. Fail better.
Yeah, I was just looking at screen resolutions. 1024x768 seems small to me. On my Dell 15" I have it maxed out at 1600x1200. Neither the MBP (1440 x 900) nor the PB (1280x854) can match that. The reviews I''ve seen show MBP battery life at about 3.25 hours. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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> iBook: > MacBook Pro: > Despite my listing more negatives for the MacBook Pro, I''m still on the > fence - price is probably the single biggest factorcheck out the barebones versions of MSI''s s262/271. CoreDuo/Turion-X2 respectively, highest macbook model performance for lowest ibook price (hows this? no apple markup - you buy all your parts from newegg). plus metal instead of plastic case, an incredibly useful row of pageup/down/home/end keys along the right edge, 2 mouse buttons.. i was a Apple user since my grandparents purchased a IIgs for me and my brother in the late 80s but theyve all been phased out in favor of gentoo-amd64 systems MSI (portable) and Shuttle (desktop).. getting everything for half the price of Apple and being able to configure everything the way I want, not the way some dictator in Cupertino decides is a welcome change...cheers -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 4/1/06, Brian Buckley <briankbuckley@gmail.com> wrote:> OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your > iBooks/PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too?I only have an iBook.
On 1-apr-2006, at 14:06, Brian Buckley wrote:> OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your iBooks/ > PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too? Which do you > use more? >I had an old Titanium but now moved most of the work onto a G5 Quad. I think I will be using the desktop more although a laptop would suffice if I didn''t have to do more than Rails development
Brian Buckley wrote:> OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your > iBooks/PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too? Which do > you > use more? > > BrianFWIW, I do all my development (including Rails) on a 12" Powerbook right now. The low screen resolution (1024 x 768) isn''t that big a deal. I just swap between the terminal, Textmate, and a web browser using Expos?. Works pretty well. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Calle Dybedahl wrote:> Is there any solid information on the MacBook''s battery life yet, by > the way? One of the things I *really* like about my iBook is that I > can get 6.5 hours of battery use out of it.My MBP, now about a month old, gets slightly better battery life than my older 15" PowerBook -- about 3 - 3.5 hours -- and that''s without turning down the brightness all the way, etc. The batteries are really thin, making carrying a second one easy. The real test will be at WWDC, where everyone tries to keep their notebooks alive for 9 hours a day, all week long. --Jim
I do the exact same, except I use "Desktop Manager" to get 3 virtual screens. On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Jon Fuller wrote:> Brian Buckley wrote: >> OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your >> iBooks/PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too? Which do >> you >> use more? >> >> Brian > > FWIW, I do all my development (including Rails) on a 12" Powerbook > right > now. The low screen resolution (1024 x 768) isn''t that big a deal. I > just swap between the terminal, Textmate, and a web browser using > Expos?. Works pretty well. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Joe wrote:> Yeah, I was just looking at screen resolutions. 1024x768 seems small to > me. On my Dell 15" I have it maxed out at 1600x1200. Neither the MBP > (1440 x 900) nor the PB (1280x854) can match that.Honestly, having used PC notebooks with such ludicrous resolutions, I don''t see the appeal of needing to squint to read anything. I jokingly considered adding a frensel lens on a stick in front of the screen, a la Brazil. Most people I''ve seen with these notebooks invariably end up using larger font sizes in their editors, or for the system, or docking the notebook all the time with a more regular sized screen. --Jim
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Adam Lindsay wrote:> I do the exact same, except I use "Desktop Manager" to get 3 virtual screens.Check out "Virtue," now back in development under a new maintainer. Universal, even! http://virtuedesktops.sourceforge.net --Jim
carmen wrote:> > check out the barebones versions of MSI''s s262/271. CoreDuo/Turion-X2 > respectively, highest macbook model performance for lowest ibook price > (hows this? no apple markup - you buy all your parts from newegg). plus > metal instead of plastic case, an incredibly useful row of > pageup/down/home/end keys along the right edge, 2 mouse buttons.. i was > a Apple user since my grandparents purchased a IIgs for me and my > brother in the late 80s but theyve all been phased out in favor of > gentoo-amd64 systems MSI (portable) and Shuttle (desktop).. getting > everything for half the price of Apple and being able to configure > everything the way I want, not the way some dictator in Cupertino > decides is a welcome change...cheers12" screens? No thanks. Desktop Linux? No thanks again. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Jim Zajkowski wrote:> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Joe wrote: > >> Yeah, I was just looking at screen resolutions. 1024x768 seems small to >> me. On my Dell 15" I have it maxed out at 1600x1200. Neither the MBP >> (1440 x 900) nor the PB (1280x854) can match that. > > Honestly, having used PC notebooks with such ludicrous resolutions, I > don''t see the appeal of needing to squint to read anything. I jokingly > considered adding a frensel lens on a stick in front of the screen, a la > Brazil. > > Most people I''ve seen with these notebooks invariably end up using > larger > font sizes in their editors, or for the system, or docking the notebook > all the time with a more regular sized screen.I don''t squint nor use larger fonts (what''s wrong with changing font sizes anyhow?). 1600x1200 is hardly "ludicrous" - you can fit lots more stuff on screen. My 20" monitor is set to an even higher resolution - love it. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.