Hi All, I''ve finally got fed up of struggling with Windows and am on the verge of splashing out on a Macbook for Ruby/Rails development. I''ve seen DHH''s post about it on loudthinking but I wondered if anyone else has any more wisdom... Is it worth it over a powerbook? Any tips on good OSX apps for Rails dev (textmate, i know already)? Anything not working well on it? Thanks, -- Dan Webb http://www.danwebb.net
I''m thinking about getting a 14" iBook, since I can live with a 14" screen (as opposed to 17", which is more money, of course, and a bit bigger than I want to be lugging around; besides, I have a 20" monitor at home.). I think it will be powerful enough for my needs. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Hey Dan, it should be an excellent RoR development once you get things installed and configured. Yes, it''s well worth the cost being that Apple doesn''t really raise prices all that much between the older and newer hardware. However, the later models have the most "bang for the buck". For example, the MacBook Pro has definitely much faster than its predecessor (i.e. PowerBook) because I was simply clicking on the iLife 06 apps and they were starting within one bounce and this isn''t the case with the PowerBook. Also, you''re getting an internal iSight camera that the PowerBook doesn''t have and will not have being that it''s the last model that will be released by Apple. BTW, I have been doing some in store testing and I truly like what I see and my purchase is eminent and I''m currently doing my RoR development on a G5 2.5 GHz Quad with 2 GB Ram and 2 23" Cinema HD displays. This machine is used for all my development and animation activities. Thus, my recommendation would be to go with the MacBook Pro. Next, if you need more screen space while working from home, I would recommend adding a monitor. Finally, I like both radrails and textmate for actual development but you need to find what works the best for you. Well, I wish that the info helps and good luck in your purchasing decisions. Peace, -Conrad On 3/19/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:> I''m thinking about getting a 14" iBook, since I can live with a 14" > screen (as opposed to 17", which is more money, of course, and a bit > bigger than I want to be lugging around; besides, I have a 20" monitor > at home.). I think it will be powerful enough for my needs. > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Definitely worth it. I love mine. Haven''t really had any problems with compatibility. Everything rails-related runs smoothly. Installation was a breeze, etc... And yes, I''ve put my macbook next to a powerbook - the speed is noticable. Worth the money. Oh, and contrary to Joe''s post, the Macbook Pro has a 15" screen. -Derrick On Mar 19, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Dan Webb wrote:> Hi All, > > I''ve finally got fed up of struggling with Windows and am on the verge > of splashing out on a Macbook for Ruby/Rails development. I''ve seen > DHH''s post about it on loudthinking but I wondered if anyone else has > any more wisdom... > > Is it worth it over a powerbook? Any tips on good OSX apps for Rails > dev (textmate, i know already)? Anything not working well on it? > > Thanks, > > -- > Dan Webb > http://www.danwebb.net > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Conrad Taylor wrote:> I''m currently doing my RoR development on a G5 > 2.5 GHz Quad with 2 GB Ram and 2 23" Cinema HD displays.Wow. You''re rich!> Finally, I like both radrails and textmateHow do they compare? Isn''t radrails lacking a lot of stuff? Oh, and contrary to Derrick''s post, I never said the Macbook Pro doesn''t have a 15" screen. But it is rather wide for a laptop that I want to be lugging around (and a bit more expensive). Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 19 Mar 2006, at 19:15, Dan Webb wrote:> I''ve finally got fed up of struggling with Windows and am on the verge > of splashing out on a Macbook for Ruby/Rails development. I''ve seen > DHH''s post about it on loudthinking but I wondered if anyone else has > any more wisdom...Well, for what it''s worth, I posted this to the FreeBSD mailing list: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2004-October/002684.html about 30 days before ordering myself a 12" iBook which has been my only machine for about a year now. So don''t trust any of my opinions, as they change rapidly. :-D When I have more money, I need to upgrade to get more RAM and something lighter, and yeah, I''ll probably go with Apple hardware, probably a Macbook Pro. If you''re a Unix guy (which I am), the advantage I suppose is that under the Terminal it''s FreeBSD userland. I''m a BSD guy, so for me, this is great. If you''re a pure Windows guy, I have no idea how difficult or otherwise it''ll be to transform your working style. I use my iBook as a kind of a Unix box with a better GUI than KDE or Gnome and with some commercially available software that is quite nice (like Textmate), so my working style is likely to be different to yours. For what it''s worth, I did do some work in Radrails on XP last year, and personally I found it to be OK, but just a little unfamiliar. Do not invest heavily in another architecture and OS and development environment just because you like the sound of Textmate - do so because you think you''ll become more productive in ALL your tasks or do what I did and get fed up building X and windows managers and just want something that you take out of the box, turn on, and you''re running, but it''s still Unix under the hood. Your choice of Internet bank, accounting package, games and other software will all be dictated from that switch point on, so be sure you mean it.> Is it worth it over a powerbook? Any tips on good OSX apps for Rails > dev (textmate, i know already)? Anything not working well on it?In Ruby/Rails terms? Well, depends on how you''re handing your package management with fink or darwin ports, but MySQL can be a bit weird getting running first time, but is now a well-documented process. In general, everything is pretty straight forward. For some reason, if you''re using the ajax_scaffold generator, and you''re generating on OS X, the resulting code is riddled with bugs, but I know that is getting eyeballed as I type and should be fixed in a few weeks. As Rails core are all OS X guys, chances are for Rails dev, you''re actually going to be better supported in some respects on OS X than you are on Windows. When you''re developing in a team, if the rest of the team aren''t on OS X, things like the socket line in database.yml can throw you, as can the shebang line in the public/dispatch.* files. You can work around those. Also, if you''re using any UML tools, or your team is, or your clients are, realise you are probably not going to be able to play along easily. Ditto if they insist on MS Project or other Windows-only tools. You should also know if a lot of your clients/customers/colleagues work with you via MSN or Skype, the Mac clients for both suck. Skype is passable (unless, like me, you use Virtual Desktops, in which case it is just plain stupid), but the MSN client is like going into the dark ages. The jabber clients out there are a bit rubbish as well. Colloquy is OK for IRC. Oh, and of course you aren''t testing code in IE any more (IE for Mac really isn''t IE. No, really...), so be careful about playing with too much CSS that is on the edge, and be wary of IE-specific bugs you might not catch. As far as Unixes go though, it''s OK. Some guys dual-boot Linux but they tend to be the militant GPL types IME. Compared to Windows? Well, apart from online banking I don''t boot Windows any more. I hope that will change this year too. P.S. - if you work in a Uni/school or know somebody who does, order via the Education site. Discounts on Apple hardware used to be 20%+ from list when I was working at a University (last year), yet you''re still buying direct from Apple.
Paul Robinson wrote:> Your choice of Internet bank, accounting package, games and other > software will all be dictated from that switch point on, so be sure > you mean it.Can you elaborate? I don''t see how choice of Internet bank would be affected, since it''s accessed via a browser. Checking out the software at the Apple store the other day, I saw a lot of familiar packages: TurboTax, Doom 3, etc. There''s also that virtual PC package, but I hear it''s slow.> In Ruby/Rails terms? Well, depends on how you''re handing your package > management with fink or darwin ports, but MySQL can be a bit weird > getting running first time, but is now a well-documented process. In > general, everything is pretty straight forward.I''ve heard that fink and darwin ports leave a lot to be desired, and many prefer to only use dmg files. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 19 Mar 2006, at 20:49, Joe wrote:> Can you elaborate? I don''t see how choice of Internet bank would be > affected, since it''s accessed via a browser.A lot of Internet banks require ActiveX controls. Dumb, yes. But quite common, particularly for business accounts in the UK. In fact, I don''t know of a UK business bank account that works in anything outside of IE + Windows. Trust me, this bothers me. A lot. I expect it will change in a couple of years though. If it doesn''t, I''ll move my business account off- shore if I have to. That''ll make the customs and excise people happy. :-)> Checking out the software > at the Apple store the other day, I saw a lot of familiar packages: > TurboTax, Doom 3, etc. There''s also that virtual PC package, but I > hear > it''s slow.Virtual PC isn''t just slow, it''s painful. I imagine if you''re buying Intel hardware though, a newer version will be released which will be a bit fruitier. There are apps out there, sure, just be aware that there aren''t as many as there are for Windows. Nearly all my applications are Unix based, so for me it''s a problem. If after research you think it''s not a problem for you, cool. If it is, well, try and switch apps. :-)> I''ve heard that fink and darwin ports leave a lot to be desired, and > many prefer to only use dmg files.Well, being a BSD user, I''m used to /usr/ports but DarwinPorts isn''t up to that standard yet. I tend to stick with .dmg files myself quite often, but occasionally you''re going to have to get down and dirty with the command line. -- Paul Robinson
On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Paul Robinson wrote:> On 19 Mar 2006, at 20:49, Joe wrote: > >> Can you elaborate? I don''t see how choice of Internet bank would be >> affected, since it''s accessed via a browser. > > A lot of Internet banks require ActiveX controls. Dumb, yes. But > quite common, particularly for business accounts in the UK. In > fact, I don''t know of a UK business bank account that works in > anything outside of IE + Windows.FWIW, I''ve never had any problems using one of the larger banks here in the US online via Safari.>> I''ve heard that fink and darwin ports leave a lot to be desired, and >> many prefer to only use dmg files. > > Well, being a BSD user, I''m used to /usr/ports but DarwinPorts > isn''t up to that standard yet. I tend to stick with .dmg files > myself quite often, but occasionally you''re going to have to get > down and dirty with the command line.I used DarwinPorts to install subversion, ruby, rubygems, fcgi and lighty on my MacBook Pro with no problems. Once those were installed I went to town with gem to install rails, capistrano, feedtools, flexmock, rake, etc. I did have to build DarwinPorts from source, but that was trivial and painlessly fast on the MBP. -- Jason Perkins jperkins@sneer.org "The computer allows you to make mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila."
Hi, On 19 Mar 2006, at 20:49, Joe wrote:> Paul Robinson wrote: > >> Your choice of Internet bank, accounting package, games and other >> software will all be dictated from that switch point on, so be sure >> you mean it. > > Can you elaborate? I don''t see how choice of Internet bank would be > affected, since it''s accessed via a browser.<hollow laugh> Well, that''s quite a reasonable statement. But you might well find (as I did initially) that your bank is merely omitting the word "Explorer", and their product should more properly be called "Internet Explorer Banking". I bank with First Direct. It was quite a while before their core internet banking product was supported in any browser except IE, but I''ve been using it fine in Firefox & Safari for a few years now. A year or so ago they brought out an advanced internet banking product, which (last time I checked) is only accessible with IE running on a PC. Anyway, I''m typing this on a 15" PowerBook, my first Mac, which I bought a couple of years ago. Last weekend I bought an Intel iMac, and it''s fantastic for Rails development. Really fast. I have to admit though, it used to swap a fair bit before I put in an extra 1GB RAM. It runs really smooth now. A new MacBook is definitely on the cards, once my finances have recovered from buying the iMac. :) Jon
Yeah, I''ve heard of ActiveX sites persisting, but I can''t think of any offhand that I regularly visit. I do run into sites that use Java applets once in a while. I don''t think I''ve ever used an Internet bank that required ActiveX (I use - via Firefox - Paypal, Bank of the West, and Netbank (long time ago)), but I''m not saying they don''t exist ;) (I wouldn''t use one anyway). Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
For typical rails development I think the MacBook may be overkill, or at least more than you really need. I can develop adequately on my Mac Mini with only 512MB ram although it could really use 1.25GB like my 12" PowerBook has. I was able to justify the 12" powerbook because I use it in so many casual ways around the house, its a coffee table computer and its also my primary development environment for Rails. I dont have much use for a large MacBook, but obviously others have different working needs. I have to say as someone who switched about a year ago that its not totally painless, joyous and free. I''ve used Linux and Unix for years but never as my primary computer - I''m just nowhere near as comfortable with those systems as I am with Windows and many basic tasks are done differently in Mac from Linux anyway - either way it takes getting used to. Also there are some frustrating things, it took hours to figure out how to print to a shared LaserJet 1012 (hint, you can''t use HP''s driver use GIMP instead). I''d have to shell out extra money to sync my windows smartphone with the Mac. I can''t run RealRhapsody or PokerStars. I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery won''t sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. Still I am quite fond of OS X in general, apps like QuickSilver and TextMate in particular and I do like have the UNIX subsystem while my wife and I can both use Safari for browsing in the living room etc. On 3/19/06, Dan Webb <dan@danwebb.net> wrote:> Hi All, > > I''ve finally got fed up of struggling with Windows and am on the verge > of splashing out on a Macbook for Ruby/Rails development. I''ve seen > DHH''s post about it on loudthinking but I wondered if anyone else has > any more wisdom... > > Is it worth it over a powerbook? Any tips on good OSX apps for Rails > dev (textmate, i know already)? Anything not working well on it? > > Thanks, > > -- > Dan Webb > http://www.danwebb.net > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Jeremy Huffman http://www.jeremyhuffman.com
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. The reason Im getting a mac is because I need a *nix environment but linux seems to just eat time while you continually try to make it work in one way or another. Plus, it shows that the core team all work on macs, Ive lost count of the amount of times Ive ended up hacking rails scripts to get them to work on Windows and then deploy well on our debian servers without loads of fooling around. It sounds like the mac book is good for rails development by your comments so im sold. Cheers, Dan On 3/19/06, Jeremy Huffman <jeremy@jeremyhuffman.com> wrote:> For typical rails development I think the MacBook may be overkill, or > at least more than you really need. I can develop adequately on my Mac > Mini with only 512MB ram although it could really use 1.25GB like my > 12" PowerBook has. > > I was able to justify the 12" powerbook because I use it in so many > casual ways around the house, its a coffee table computer and its also > my primary development envionment for Rails. I dont have much use for > a large MacBook, but obviously others have different working needs. > > I have to say as someone who switched about a year ago that its not > totally painless, joyous and free. I''ve used Linux and Unix for years > but never as my primary computer - I''m just nowhere near as > comfortable with those systems as I am with Windows and many basic > tasks are done differently in Mac from Linux anyway - either way it > takes getting used to. > > Also there are some frustrating things, it took hours to figure out > how to print to a shared LaserJet 1012 (hint, you can''t use HP''s > driver use GIMP instead). I''d have to shell out extra money to sync my > windows smartphone with the Mac. I can''t run RealRhapsody or > PokerStars. > > I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out > for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook > either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery won''t > sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. > > Still I am quite fond of OS X in general, apps like QuickSilver and > TextMate in particular and I do like have the UNIX subsystem while my > wife and I can both use Safari for browsing in the living room etc. > > On 3/19/06, Dan Webb <dan@danwebb.net> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I''ve finally got fed up of struggling with Windows and am on the verge > > of splashing out on a Macbook for Ruby/Rails development. I''ve seen > > DHH''s post about it on loudthinking but I wondered if anyone else has > > any more wisdom... > > > > Is it worth it over a powerbook? Any tips on good OSX apps for Rails > > dev (textmate, i know already)? Anything not working well on it? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Dan Webb > > http://www.danwebb.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > -- > Jeremy Huffman > http://www.jeremyhuffman.com > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Dan Webb http://www.danwebb.net
Dan Webb wrote:> Thanks for all the feedback everyone. The reason Im getting a mac is > because I need a *nix environment but linux seems to just eat time > while you continually try to make it work in one way or another. > Plus, it shows that the core team all work on macs, Ive lost count of > the amount of times Ive ended up hacking rails scripts to get them to > work on Windows and then deploy well on our debian servers without > loads of fooling around.I don''t even bother setting up Rails on my Windows machines - I just edit stuff remotely. Pretty easy with netdrive or any editor that supports FTP (like Editplus or I think Ultraedit). As for Linux desktops, I have very unfond memories of spending copious amounts of time getting ridiculous stuff like mice, video cards, etc. to work. I recently tried out Ubuntu, spent half an hour trying to get my wifi card to work (unsuccessfully), then said "f that" and went back to Windows. But, yeah, OS X seems to be the best package out there. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeremy Huffman wrote:> I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out > for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook > either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery won''t > sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes.Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend you look closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in mind. The PB12 is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price difference. --Jim
I''m going on day 3 on my new MacBook. I left Windows for it, and so far it just rocks. I keep laughing like a fool when I discover new things about how smooth the OSX experience is. I''ve had some trouble getting the rails stack up and running, but I''ve chalked that up to my own cluelessness. I''ve been able to use Locomotive and SVN for Capistrano deployment without problems. I''m still having problems getting my apps to connect to mysql, though, which is making me think I need to suck it up and install the whole stack without Locomotive. (which sucks, because Locomotive is cool). Overall, the MacBookPro experience itself has been very rewarding so far. Matt On 3/19/06, Jim Zajkowski <jamesez@umich.edu> wrote:> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeremy Huffman wrote: > > > I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out > > for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook > > either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery won''t > > sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. > > Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend you look > closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in mind. The PB12 > is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price difference. > > --Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Jim Zajkowski wrote:> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeremy Huffman wrote: > >> I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out >> for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook >> either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery won''t >> sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. > > Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend you > look closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in mind. > The PB12 is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price difference.I bought the entry-level iBook just after it was upgraded to Tiger + 512MB. I added another 1GB of third-party RAM, and I am very happy with it. I confess I dithered for a while between iBook and 12" powerbook, but now I''m glad I took the cheaper option. UK prices: 699 pounds for the 12" iBook, 1099 pounds for the 12" powerbook... and now 1429 pounds (1.83GHz/512MB) or 1779 pounds (2GHZ/1GB) for the MacBook Pro - price ratios 1 : 1.57 : 2.04 : 2.55 Justin
On 19 Mar 2006, at 23:56, Jim Zajkowski wrote:> Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend > you look closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in > mind. The PB12 is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price > difference.I went for an iBook as well, because at the time the internals of the PB12 and a 12" iBook were effectively identical - one was in a white chunky case, the other was in a slightly smaller silver case, that was it. In addition, because I was at a Uni, for less than a grand (GBP) I could get in the form of the iBook a 12" laptop with integrated WiFi, bluetooth, 512Mb RAM, 60Gb disk and DVD drive, and in November 2004 that was a very good deal indeed. My reason for switching was not being able to stomach the fight to get all the weird hardware on a laptop working smoothly with FreeBSD as well. I do miss the Thinkpad package - the hardware is much, much, much better*, IMHO - but OS X isn''t a half-bad OS on the whole. * - better keyboard, lighter, smaller, better screen, Ultrabay slots, etc., etc... it''s just that at the time I was buying with edu discount, Apple hardware was cheaper(!!) -- Paul Robinson
I''m using a MacBook for Rails development as well, and by far the best instructions I''ve seen for getting RoR up and running under Tiger are here: http://hivelogic.com/articles/2005/12/01/ruby_rails_lighttpd_mysql_tiger That article was linked to from Apple''s own article on Rails development under Tiger, which is here: http://developer.apple.com/tools/rubyonrails.html --Casey On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Matt White wrote:> I''m going on day 3 on my new MacBook. I left Windows for it, and so > far it just rocks. I keep laughing like a fool when I discover new > things about how smooth the OSX experience is. I''ve had some trouble > getting the rails stack up and running, but I''ve chalked that up to my > own cluelessness. I''ve been able to use Locomotive and SVN for > Capistrano deployment without problems. I''m still having problems > getting my apps to connect to mysql, though, which is making me think > I need to suck it up and install the whole stack without Locomotive. > (which sucks, because Locomotive is cool). Overall, the MacBookPro > experience itself has been very rewarding so far. > > Matt > > On 3/19/06, Jim Zajkowski <jamesez@umich.edu> wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeremy Huffman wrote: >> >>> I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out >>> for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook >>> either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery >>> won''t >>> sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. >> >> Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend >> you look >> closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in mind. >> The PB12 >> is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price difference. >> >> --Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Well, I made the plunge. Got Rails and all other bits going really easily. It''s already loads better than Windows. Looking very good. Just got to get used to that Apple key business... On 3/20/06, Casey Cady <ccady@ubermind.com> wrote:> I''m using a MacBook for Rails development as well, and by far the > best instructions I''ve seen for getting RoR up and running under > Tiger are here: > > http://hivelogic.com/articles/2005/12/01/ruby_rails_lighttpd_mysql_tiger > > That article was linked to from Apple''s own article on Rails > development under Tiger, which is here: > http://developer.apple.com/tools/rubyonrails.html > > --Casey > > On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Matt White wrote: > > > I''m going on day 3 on my new MacBook. I left Windows for it, and so > > far it just rocks. I keep laughing like a fool when I discover new > > things about how smooth the OSX experience is. I''ve had some trouble > > getting the rails stack up and running, but I''ve chalked that up to my > > own cluelessness. I''ve been able to use Locomotive and SVN for > > Capistrano deployment without problems. I''m still having problems > > getting my apps to connect to mysql, though, which is making me think > > I need to suck it up and install the whole stack without Locomotive. > > (which sucks, because Locomotive is cool). Overall, the MacBookPro > > experience itself has been very rewarding so far. > > > > Matt > > > > On 3/19/06, Jim Zajkowski <jamesez@umich.edu> wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeremy Huffman wrote: > >> > >>> I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out > >>> for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook > >>> either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery > >>> won''t > >>> sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. > >> > >> Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend > >> you look > >> closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in mind. > >> The PB12 > >> is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price difference. > >> > >> --Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rails mailing list > >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Dan Webb http://www.danwebb.net
Dan Webb wrote:> Just got to get used to that Apple key business...What''s that? SSH keys or something? Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I think he means using the Apple (Command) key for cutting, pasting, etc. On 3/20/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:> Dan Webb wrote: > > > Just got to get used to that Apple key business... > > What''s that? SSH keys or something? > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Welcome to the cult. Grats. On 3/20/06, Dan Webb <dan@danwebb.net> wrote:> Well, I made the plunge. Got Rails and all other bits going really > easily. It''s already loads better than Windows. Looking very good. > > Just got to get used to that Apple key business... > > On 3/20/06, Casey Cady <ccady@ubermind.com> wrote: > > I''m using a MacBook for Rails development as well, and by far the > > best instructions I''ve seen for getting RoR up and running under > > Tiger are here: > > > > http://hivelogic.com/articles/2005/12/01/ruby_rails_lighttpd_mysql_tiger > > > > That article was linked to from Apple''s own article on Rails > > development under Tiger, which is here: > > http://developer.apple.com/tools/rubyonrails.html > > > > --Casey > > > > On Mar 19, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Matt White wrote: > > > > > I''m going on day 3 on my new MacBook. I left Windows for it, and so > > > far it just rocks. I keep laughing like a fool when I discover new > > > things about how smooth the OSX experience is. I''ve had some trouble > > > getting the rails stack up and running, but I''ve chalked that up to my > > > own cluelessness. I''ve been able to use Locomotive and SVN for > > > Capistrano deployment without problems. I''m still having problems > > > getting my apps to connect to mysql, though, which is making me think > > > I need to suck it up and install the whole stack without Locomotive. > > > (which sucks, because Locomotive is cool). Overall, the MacBookPro > > > experience itself has been very rewarding so far. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 3/19/06, Jim Zajkowski <jamesez@umich.edu> wrote: > > >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Jeremy Huffman wrote: > > >> > > >>> I''d almost recommend you get a small PB or iBook and just try it out > > >>> for awhile. Actually I don''t have a rave review of the 12" powerbook > > >>> either its too hot and the fan is too noisy and now the battery > > >>> won''t > > >>> sit flush so it wobbles a little on a table sometimes. > > >> > > >> Having worked with both the PB12 and the iBook, I would recommend > > >> you look > > >> closely to see if the iBook can do everything you have in mind. > > >> The PB12 > > >> is not, IMHO, good enough to justify the price difference. > > >> > > >> --Jim > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rails mailing list > > >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > -- > Dan Webb > http://www.danwebb.net > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Jeremy Huffman http://www.jeremyhuffman.com
> As for Linux desktops, I have very unfond memories of spending copious > amounts of time getting ridiculous stuff like mice, video cards, etc. to > work. I recently tried out Ubuntu, spent half an hour trying to get my > wifi card to work (unsuccessfully), then said "f that" and went back to > Windows. But, yeah, OS X seems to be the best package out there.Just to say: if I was to switch from Ubuntu to Windows, I''d give it more time than just half an hour to get everything working. You can''t really expect it to be different the other way around. Aside from the OS switching stuff, Ubuntu makes for a damn good environment for RoR development. Well, since RadRails, that is. -- Raphael -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Raphael Schmid wrote:>> As for Linux desktops, I have very unfond memories of spending copious >> amounts of time getting ridiculous stuff like mice, video cards, etc. to >> work. I recently tried out Ubuntu, spent half an hour trying to get my >> wifi card to work (unsuccessfully), then said "f that" and went back to >> Windows. But, yeah, OS X seems to be the best package out there. > > Just to say: if I was to switch from Ubuntu to Windows, I''d give it more > time than just half an hour to get everything working. You can''t really > expect it to be different the other way around. > > Aside from the OS switching stuff, Ubuntu makes for a damn good > environment > for RoR development. Well, since RadRails, that is.Yeah, I probably should, but I didn''t see anything to get excited about. Looked pretty much the same as the Linux desktops of years ago - the Gimp and whatever other software. And my screen was kinda flickering too. Based on my previous experience, I''m afraid it may very well take me copious amounts of time again to figure out the trivialities of getting my wifi card working (heck, maybe I can even take a stab at writing a driver!) and making the screen work, but, been there, done that. I just want something that works, and has a lot of great stuff. Desktop Linux still feels like it''s for hobbyists, and still suffering from a dearth of kick-ass apps. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> Yeah, I probably should, but I didn''t see anything to get excited about. > Looked pretty much the same as the Linux desktops of years ago - the > Gimp and whatever other software. And my screen was kinda flickering > too. Based on my previous experience, I''m afraid it may very well take > me copious amounts of time again to figure out the trivialities of > getting my wifi card working (heck, maybe I can even take a stab at > writing a driver!) and making the screen work, but, been there, done > that. I just want something that works, and has a lot of great stuff. > Desktop Linux still feels like it''s for hobbyists, and still suffering > from a dearth of kick-ass apps.I wasn''t trying to persuade you into using Linux, if Linux is not "what works for you". All I''m saying is, there''s people who it _does_ work for, or who it _might_ work for, if it weren''t for bad word of mouth. For the hardware I have standing around at home, plus my girlfriends laptop, installation of Ubuntu was very easy and straight-forward. In fact, she installed the last version all by herself ("I''ve watched you do it the last two times [Warty, Hoary] and I don''t see why I couldn''t do it myself. You could prepare dinner."). So there''s a large gap between your and my (our) installation experience. I doubt it''ll be different for "availabilty of kick-ass apps". Don''t make it bad for everybody else just because it doesn''t work for you. -- Raphael -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Hey, I''m just sharing my experience, which wasn''t necessarily bad, but less mediocre, and unless by some conspiracy I got slipped a foobar''d copy I suspect others will have more or less the same experience. That reminds me - loading up Ubuntu from the CD took *forever* (well, about 15 minutes, seriously). Ack. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> Hey, I''m just sharing my experience, which wasn''t necessarily bad, but > less mediocre, and unless by some conspiracy I got slipped a foobar''d > copy I suspect others will have more or less the same experience.That''s what I was trying to counter since it''s definitely not my experience. :-)> That reminds me - loading up Ubuntu from the CD took *forever* (well, > about 15 minutes, seriously). Ack.Well, it''s a live CD... May I ask what kind of hardware you were trying this on and with what Ubuntu CD / version? -- Raphael -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Have you ever considered a Core Duo Mac mini? I got one of those beauties lately and with 2GB of ram it is quite a steal! :) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>>>>> "Raphael" == Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> writes:> That''s what I was trying to counter since it''s definitely not my > experience. :-)Unless you''re also trying to reinforce the stereotype of Linux users as proselytizing fanboys, please move the discussion to a more suitable forum. -- Calle Dybedahl <calle@cyberpomo.com> http://www.livejournal.com/users/cdybedahl/ "Do any churches offer gluten-free body of christ? Just in case some of their flock have problems digesting their saviour?" -- Rob Blake, BofhNet
"Raphael" == Raphael Schmid <raphael@schwarzschmid.de> also wrote:> I wasn''t trying to persuade you into using Linux, if Linux is > not "what works for you".That means: "if Windows is what works best for you, use Windows". Linux *happens* to be working best for *me*, which doesn''t mean that I go around and make Windows fishy. Sorry, if I was being a "proselytizing fanboy". EOC. -- Raphael -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
It looks like they are going to release MacBook 13" at April 1st.. This is _the_ killer. Dan Webb wrote:> Is it worth it over a powerbook? Any tips on good OSX apps for Rails > dev (textmate, i know already)? Anything not working well on it?-- Yaroslav Markin yaroslav at markin dot net
Yaroslav Markin wrote:> It looks like they are going to release MacBook 13" at April 1st.. This > is _the_ killer.I''d rather have a 14", I think. One other thing that appeals to me about OS X is that there is only ONE VERSION. No crippled home version, and a pro version for twice the price. Or a confusing array of upcoming new editions. Or scores of various distros created by whatever fanboy thinks they can do it better. One version. But it''s lame that minor upgrades (10.3 to 10.4) cost ($129 currently). Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Joe wrote:> I''m thinking about getting a 14" iBook, since I can live with a 14" > screen (as opposed to 17", which is more money, of course, and a bit > bigger than I want to be lugging around; besides, I have a 20" monitor > at home.). I think it will be powerful enough for my needs. > > JoeI''m a new Mac switcher and have just bought my first MacBook Pro and all I can say is that its a wonderful machine and I''ll be doing most of my Rails (and PHP) development on it - I''m afraid my pretty decent Windows box has been relegated to doing nothing more than serving up my mp3s with slimserver, general office tasks/word processing/accounts etc. (ms office is too slow for me on my MBP under rosetta with only 512MB of RAM...perhaps when I get some more it will be better) and general web browsing/email duties and gaming. I don''t find it too big for carrying around though and I''ve bought myself a nice be.ez lebag for it too. I personally couldn''t use anything less than the 15" screen - anything smaller would be too cramped for me (I''d go bigger if it wasn''t impractical). Only downside to my MBP is that it has the whining issue that many people have reported but I''m not going to bother sending it back for a repair/replacement until there is some concrete announcement from Apple on the issue -in the meantime I''m using the QuietMBP app that keeps the CPU running at 8% in the background which gets rid of the noise at the expense of about 30-45 minutes of battery time. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I can''t live with anything less than a 15", but that must be because of my genetically poor eyesight and my dual 19" LCD''s on my desktop. An update to my experience thus far, I''ve managed to install the Rails stack using the tutorial mentioned earlier, and everything is working awesome. Locomotive was cool, but I think the "real" install is going to be quite a bit more realistic for me, especially since I''m using gems that aren''t in the Locomotive distro (pdf-writer). AND I might want to try Edge Rails. On 3/21/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Yaroslav Markin wrote: > > It looks like they are going to release MacBook 13" at April 1st.. This > > is _the_ killer. > > I''d rather have a 14", I think. > > One other thing that appeals to me about OS X is that there is only ONE > VERSION. No crippled home version, and a pro version for twice the > price. Or a confusing array of upcoming new editions. Or scores of > various distros created by whatever fanboy thinks they can do it better. > One version. But it''s lame that minor upgrades (10.3 to 10.4) cost ($129 > currently). > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060321/77436686/attachment.html
Color me an total dork, but I''m going to have TWO laptops in a couple
weeks:
1 MBP to do development with (and graphics, presentations... etc)
1 Thinkpad with OpenBSD... so I can keep hacking at the BSD kern.
Yes, OSX is "BSD"(''ish) ... but... no way am I studying the
innards of OSX.
OpenBSD forever !!!
On 3/21/06, Matt White <stockliasteroid@gmail.com>
wrote:>
> I can''t live with anything less than a 15", but that must be
because of my
> genetically poor eyesight and my dual 19" LCD''s on my
desktop.
>
> An update to my experience thus far, I''ve managed to install the
Rails
> stack using the tutorial mentioned earlier, and everything is working
> awesome. Locomotive was cool, but I think the "real" install is
going to be
> quite a bit more realistic for me, especially since I''m using gems
that
> aren''t in the Locomotive distro (pdf-writer). AND I might want to
try Edge
> Rails.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/21/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yaroslav Markin wrote:
> > > It looks like they are going to release MacBook 13" at April
1st..
> > This
> > > is _the_ killer.
> >
> > I''d rather have a 14", I think.
> >
> > One other thing that appeals to me about OS X is that there is only
ONE
> > VERSION. No crippled home version, and a pro version for twice the
> > price. Or a confusing array of upcoming new editions. Or scores of
> > various distros created by whatever fanboy thinks they can do it
better.
> > One version. But it''s lame that minor upgrades ( 10.3 to
10.4) cost
> > ($129
> > currently).
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
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> > Rails mailing list
> > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org
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I wish I can go back to my first time on a Mac. Its kind of like watching the Matrix for the first time... you think you might know what Mac and OS X is all about, but after about a weeks worth of actual computing time, you''ll will be bursting with excitement and discovery, not to mention productivity. I have 2 laptops (thinkpad, powerbook) and I cringe everytime I have to boot up the thinkpad. I know this sounds like Im going way over the top, but the powerbook has changed the way I work from top to bottom. Im simply more organized and efficient. Add ruby and rails and you''ll be bleeding productivity.>From here on out, unless there is a big reason to ''switch'' back, the rest ofmy future purchases are apple (i.e: 13" macbook) Jin On 3/21/06, Dylan Stamat <dylans@gmail.com> wrote:> > Color me an total dork, but I''m going to have TWO laptops in a couple > weeks: > > 1 MBP to do development with (and graphics, presentations... etc) > 1 Thinkpad with OpenBSD... so I can keep hacking at the BSD kern. > > Yes, OSX is "BSD"(''ish) ... but... no way am I studying the innards of > OSX. OpenBSD forever !!! > > > > > > > On 3/21/06, Matt White < stockliasteroid@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can''t live with anything less than a 15", but that must be because of > > my genetically poor eyesight and my dual 19" LCD''s on my desktop. > > > > An update to my experience thus far, I''ve managed to install the Rails > > stack using the tutorial mentioned earlier, and everything is working > > awesome. Locomotive was cool, but I think the "real" install is going to be > > quite a bit more realistic for me, especially since I''m using gems that > > aren''t in the Locomotive distro (pdf-writer). AND I might want to try Edge > > Rails. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/21/06, Joe < joe@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Yaroslav Markin wrote: > > > > It looks like they are going to release MacBook 13" at April 1st.. > > > This > > > > is _the_ killer. > > > > > > I''d rather have a 14", I think. > > > > > > One other thing that appeals to me about OS X is that there is only > > > ONE > > > VERSION. No crippled home version, and a pro version for twice the > > > price. Or a confusing array of upcoming new editions. Or scores of > > > various distros created by whatever fanboy thinks they can do it > > > better. > > > One version. But it''s lame that minor upgrades ( 10.3 to 10.4) cost > > > ($129 > > > currently). > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > -- > > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060321/745f82a3/attachment.html
Matt
> Locomotive was cool, but I think the "real" install is going
to
> be quite a bit more realistic for me, especially since I''m
using gems
> that aren''t in the Locomotive distro (pdf-writer). AND I might
want to
> try Edge Rails.
You can use EdgeRails and install gems with Locomotive too. Just open
the terminal, and type "rake freeze_edge", or gem install..
Alain
Yeah, I know that... My only concern is what happens when Locomotive is updated. I was under the impression that I''d lose all of the gems that I''d installed from the terminal when I install a new Locomotive package. Am I mistaken? Matt On 3/21/06, Alain Ravet <arav2132@biz.tiscali.be> wrote:> > Matt > > Locomotive was cool, but I think the "real" install is going to > > be quite a bit more realistic for me, especially since I''m using > gems > > that aren''t in the Locomotive distro (pdf-writer). AND I might > want to > > try Edge Rails. > > > You can use EdgeRails and install gems with Locomotive too. Just open > the terminal, and type "rake freeze_edge", or gem install.. > > Alain > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060322/f2e7cb0d/attachment.html