have placements, clients and case_managers tables with relationships Trying to create new placement record...case_manager_id field exists in clients table. I need the value from related clients record in placements table in placements_controller.rb def create @placement = Placment.new(params[:placement]) case_manager_id = Client.case_manager_id # this doesn''t work if @placement.save flash[:notice] = ''Placement was successfully created'' redirect_to :action => ''list'' else render :action => ''new'' end end How do I get the case_manager_id value from the related record since I am already storing the client_id (the foreign key) because I need the foreign key for case_manager_id or I cannot save? Craig