I am being barraged with Ruby, Rails and Rich Internet application work right now. Almost enough that I could quit the day job and make a go of it, forgetting about Java altogether. Places in the greater Miami area are turning on to Rails and Ruby -- much of it fueled by the stronger voices in the local Java community. Am I alone in this, or do many of you see absolutely explosive growth in Ruby, Rails and all things Web 2.0ish right now? I see that Bruce Eckel is coming around. When he wrote his article bashing Ruby a few weeks ago, I knew he was on the verge of being hooked. First you hate her, then you glance at her, then you are in her arms. Ruby, that goddamn seductress! Mike Pence http://groups.google.com/group/laszlo-on-rails
On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Mike Pence wrote:> I am being barraged with Ruby, Rails and Rich Internet application > work right now. Almost enough that I could quit the day job and make a > go of it, forgetting about Java altogether. Places in the greater > Miami area are turning on to Rails and Ruby -- much of it fueled by > the stronger voices in the local Java community. > > Am I alone in this, or do many of you see absolutely explosive growth > in Ruby, Rails and all things Web 2.0ish right now? > > I see that Bruce Eckel is coming around. When he wrote his article > bashing Ruby a few weeks ago, I knew he was on the verge of being > hooked. First you hate her, then you glance at her, then you are in > her arms. Ruby, that goddamn seductress! > > Mike Pence > http://groups.google.com/group/laszlo-on-railsLOL. Yes, that''s the case over here, too. I''ve never turned down so many job offers in my life. It''s a bit flattering, but really I wish I had something to offer these people instead of an "I''m sorry, I''m working full-time+ on other projects right now, get back with me in 6 months" response. Regards, Duane Johnson @ Provo, Utah (canadaduane) http://blog.inquirylabs.com/
Is there a good site or web service one could sign up for doing ror work on the side? Regards, Duane Johnson wrote:> > On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Mike Pence wrote: > >> I am being barraged with Ruby, Rails and Rich Internet application >> work right now. Almost enough that I could quit the day job and make a >> go of it, forgetting about Java altogether. Places in the greater >> Miami area are turning on to Rails and Ruby -- much of it fueled by >> the stronger voices in the local Java community. >> >> Am I alone in this, or do many of you see absolutely explosive growth >> in Ruby, Rails and all things Web 2.0ish right now? >> >> I see that Bruce Eckel is coming around. When he wrote his article >> bashing Ruby a few weeks ago, I knew he was on the verge of being >> hooked. First you hate her, then you glance at her, then you are in >> her arms. Ruby, that goddamn seductress! >> >> Mike Pence >> http://groups.google.com/group/laszlo-on-rails > > > LOL. Yes, that''s the case over here, too. I''ve never turned down so > many job offers in my life. It''s a bit flattering, but really I wish I > had something to offer these people instead of an "I''m sorry, I''m > working full-time+ on other projects right now, get back with me in 6 > months" response. > > Regards, > > Duane Johnson @ Provo, Utah > (canadaduane) > http://blog.inquirylabs.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Y''all are gradually raising your rates in response to the demand, right? Turn this into a thriving market! :) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
http://jobs.rubynow.com is a ruby/rails jobs posting site. On 1/27/06, Mufaddal Khumri <mkhumri@allegromedical.com> wrote:> > Is there a good site or web service one could sign up for doing ror work > on the side? > Regards, > > Duane Johnson wrote: > > > > > On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Mike Pence wrote: > > > >> I am being barraged with Ruby, Rails and Rich Internet application > >> work right now. Almost enough that I could quit the day job and make a > >> go of it, forgetting about Java altogether. Places in the greater > >> Miami area are turning on to Rails and Ruby -- much of it fueled by > >> the stronger voices in the local Java community. > >> > >> Am I alone in this, or do many of you see absolutely explosive growth > >> in Ruby, Rails and all things Web 2.0ish right now? > >> > >> I see that Bruce Eckel is coming around. When he wrote his article > >> bashing Ruby a few weeks ago, I knew he was on the verge of being > >> hooked. First you hate her, then you glance at her, then you are in > >> her arms. Ruby, that goddamn seductress! > >> > >> Mike Pence > >> http://groups.google.com/group/laszlo-on-rails > > > > > > LOL. Yes, that''s the case over here, too. I''ve never turned down so > > many job offers in my life. It''s a bit flattering, but really I wish I > > had something to offer these people instead of an "I''m sorry, I''m > > working full-time+ on other projects right now, get back with me in 6 > > months" response. > > > > Regards, > > > > Duane Johnson @ Provo, Utah > > (canadaduane) > > http://blog.inquirylabs.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060127/327fcb09/attachment.html
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Mike wrote:> Y''all are gradually raising your rates in response to the demand, > right? > Turn this into a thriving market! :)Oh, Mike, say it again and again. Shout it from the rooftops. There''s no need to have more work than you can handle. Raise your rates until there''s just enough to keep you as busy as you''d like to be. It''ll be good for everyone, I guarantee it. -- -- Tom Mornini
Tom, I hope this won''t belabor the point too much, but to me Rails seems to be in that golden phase where demand is greatly increasing because of the attention it''s receiving from the wider market, yet there is only a small supply of capable developers to take on new projects. Every successful technology I''ve been involved with has gone through this phase where the solo operator can prosper regardless of geographical location by just putting his/her name out there in the community and responding to ads on mailing lists/forums/newsgroups. Eventually the market catches up, rates go down, and proximity and contacts become the main criteria for securing new work. My advice to anyone who wants to succeed in contracting is to be aware of this lifecycle. Now''s the time when the first-movers and early-adopters get a head start in the marketplace and can use their momentum to stay ahead of the competition. Then a service-based business can take the opportunity to grow, perhaps even making the transition to a product company. So I hope you expert Rails developers out there are taking advantage of this time to build your businesses! -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Hi Duane, Instead of ''I am sorry'', could you route your clients to the ruby job site and give your fellow railers a crack at it... -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
De Railed wrote:> Hi Duane, > > Instead of ''I am sorry'', could you route your clients to the ruby job > site and give your fellow railers a crack at it... >Please please pretty please with a cherry on top :-) -- Alex
Very good advice, regardless of the technology. It is a treadmill you choose to get on. When it starts to slow you have to be ready to either keep it moving on your own, or jump to a new technology. Thanks Mike, sean Mike wrote:> Tom, > > I hope this won''t belabor the point too much, but to me Rails seems to > be in that golden phase where demand is greatly increasing because of > the attention it''s receiving from the wider market, yet there is only a > small supply of capable developers to take on new projects. > > Every successful technology I''ve been involved with has gone through > this phase where the solo operator can prosper regardless of > geographical location by just putting his/her name out there in the > community and responding to ads on mailing lists/forums/newsgroups. > > Eventually the market catches up, rates go down, and proximity and > contacts become the main criteria for securing new work. > > My advice to anyone who wants to succeed in contracting is to be aware > of this lifecycle. Now''s the time when the first-movers and > early-adopters get a head start in the marketplace and can use their > momentum to stay ahead of the competition. Then a service-based business > can take the opportunity to grow, perhaps even making the transition to > a product company. > > So I hope you expert Rails developers out there are taking advantage of > this time to build your businesses!-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Duane Johnson wrote:> > On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Mike Pence wrote: > >> I am being barraged with Ruby, Rails and Rich Internet application >> work right now. Almost enough that I could quit the day job and >> make a >> go of it, forgetting about Java altogether. Places in the greater >> Miami area are turning on to Rails and Ruby -- much of it fueled by >> the stronger voices in the local Java community. >> >> Am I alone in this, or do many of you see absolutely explosive growth >> in Ruby, Rails and all things Web 2.0ish right now? >> >> I see that Bruce Eckel is coming around. When he wrote his article >> bashing Ruby a few weeks ago, I knew he was on the verge of being >> hooked. First you hate her, then you glance at her, then you are in >> her arms. Ruby, that goddamn seductress! >> >> Mike Pence >> http://groups.google.com/group/laszlo-on-rails > > LOL. Yes, that''s the case over here, too. I''ve never turned down > so many job offers in my life. It''s a bit flattering, but really I > wish I had something to offer these people instead of an "I''m > sorry, I''m working full-time+ on other projects right now, get back > with me in 6 months" response. > > Regards, > > Duane Johnson @ Provo, Utah > (canadaduane) > http://blog.inquirylabs.com/Same thing here. I work a full time day job with rails at the newspaper. but I still work on about 3 or 4 other ruby/rails projects after work in a consulting role. When i was first getting good at rails I put it out there that I was available for rails consulting work and now I still have to turn down two to three or more offers for work every week. I wish I had a few clones of myself. It''s absolutely wonderful how the tides are turning and rails and even ruby itself is hot right now. It used to be very hard to find any ruby jobs on any job sites but now thats not the case. Many companies see the advantages of an agile framework and nothing else compares to rails right now. Its a wonderful time to be a ruby programmer ;-) Cheers- -Ezra Zygmuntowicz Yakima Herald-Republic WebMaster http://yakimaherald.com 509-577-7732 ezra@yakima-herald.com
On Jan 27, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Mike wrote:> I hope this won''t belabor the point too much, but to me Rails seems to > be in that golden phase where demand is greatly increasing because of > the attention it''s receiving from the wider market, yet there is > only a > small supply of capable developers to take on new projects.snip...> My advice to anyone who wants to succeed in contracting is to be aware > of this lifecycle. Now''s the time when the first-movers and > early-adopters get a head start in the marketplace and can use their > momentum to stay ahead of the competition. Then a service-based > business > can take the opportunity to grow, perhaps even making the > transition to > a product company.100% agreement. The bottom line is this, and it''s true for each phase of the lifecycle: You are worth what the customer will pay. Right now, that number is a bit low due to the perception that Rails is "quick and easy" where we all know that it''s actually BETTER, and will be more cost effective for the customer over time due to conventions, testing, etc. If we, the early adopters, PROVE these advantages to the customers, by "Staying on the Rails" as I''m fond of saying, adopting the conventions, creating unit and functional tests, etc. we''re still at the very early stage of something that is growing explosively. This explosion should last years, and will be very good for everyone involved now. -- -- Tom Mornini
On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:07 AM, De Railed wrote:> Hi Duane, > > Instead of ''I am sorry'', could you route your clients to the > ruby job > site and give your fellow railers a crack at it...Sure thing. I actually wasn''t aware of a ruby job site... where are you guys looking? I know of the oreilly developer connection, and linked-in. Most of the people who contact me seem to do so through my blog. Thanks for the suggestion! Duane Johnson (canadaduane) http://blog.inquirylabs.com/
Awesome, Duane. Anyone on this list is welcome to add me to their Linked In profile! Mike Pence On 1/27/06, Duane Johnson <duane.johnson@gmail.com> wrote:> > On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:07 AM, De Railed wrote: > > > Hi Duane, > > > > Instead of ''I am sorry'', could you route your clients to the > > ruby job > > site and give your fellow railers a crack at it... > > Sure thing. I actually wasn''t aware of a ruby job site... where are > you guys looking? I know of the oreilly developer connection, and > linked-in. Most of the people who contact me seem to do so through > my blog. Thanks for the suggestion! > > Duane Johnson > (canadaduane) > http://blog.inquirylabs.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Damon Clinkscales
2006-Jan-27 20:23 UTC
[Rails] Re: Re: Is it just me, or is Ruby exploding?
Duane Johnson wrote:> I actually wasn''t aware of a ruby job site... where are > you guys looking?As was mentioned earlier in the thread, the primary aggregator of Ruby/Rails jobs right now seems to be http://jobs.rubynow.com/ . -damon http://damonclinkscales.com/ -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
That''s a great observation. I was trying to think of how I felt about the advice on the page: http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/RailsBestPractices We proffesionals are supposed to list ''best practices'' there. I think the ''Set Default Values in Methods'' and the ''Properly substitute variables in an SQL Query'' could be considered best practices, but the other two are best described as tips and tricks. Nothing wrong with tips and tricks, but best practices are not quick and dirty, they are ways to "Stay on the Rails". Tom, you have given me a phrase that sums up how I was feeling. Best practices and good design patterns are created because they sum up units of work in ways that are stable, consistent, reliable, and re-usable. If rails work gets flooded by a bunch of "MCSE" certificate types, it will all be tips tricks and quick fixes, with no best practices. The Rails way is easy because we realise the value of doing things in a consistent way. Stay on the rails. Thanks Tom -Sean Tom Mornini wrote:> 100% agreement. > > The bottom line is this, and it''s true for each phase of the lifecycle: > > You are worth what the customer will pay. Right now, that number is a > bit > low due to the perception that Rails is "quick and easy" where we all > know > that it''s actually BETTER, and will be more cost effective for the > customer > over time due to conventions, testing, etc. > > If we, the early adopters, PROVE these advantages to the customers, by > "Staying on the Rails" as I''m fond of saying, adopting the conventions, > creating unit and functional tests, etc. we''re still at the very early > stage of something that is growing explosively. > > This explosion should last years, and will be very good for everyone > involved now. > > -- > -- Tom Mornini-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
At the local Java Users Group, they mentioned Ruby several times. A presenter even remarked "If you''re going to learn a new language, Ruby is probably the best one to pick." csn -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Jan 27, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Damon Clinkscales wrote:> Duane Johnson wrote: > >> I actually wasn''t aware of a ruby job site... where are >> you guys looking? > > As was mentioned earlier in the thread, the primary aggregator of > Ruby/Rails jobs right now seems to be http://jobs.rubynow.com/ . >Thanks. I''ll check it out. Duane Johnson (canadaduane) http://blog.inquirylabs.com/