Hi all, This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is soon converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to install software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software that has been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever that means). This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something I can't do without at this point. HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a licensed software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. Any ideas? Thanks, Damien [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
Damien, I think there isn't such a vendor. Maybe you can try to buy S-Plus. Maybe you can look for donations to R foundation or reading the licence term. HTH, Rogerio. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Joly" <dojoly at gmail.com> To: <r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [R] How can you buy R?> Hi all, > > This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is soon > converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to install > software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software that > has > been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever that means). > > This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something I > can't > do without at this point. > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a > licensed > software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Damien > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >
Hello, ihmo you could buy quantian and find several third-party resellers on dirk's page stated below. http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/quantian.html regards, christian> Hi all, > > This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is soon > converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to install > software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software that has > been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever that means). > > This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something I can't > do without at this point. > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a licensed > software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Damien > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > >
Surely the entity is saying you will only be able to use software for which you have a valid licence. They are (rightly) worried about employees installing pirate copies of software which, if audited, could lead to huge fines. While there is plenty of software for which one has to pay for such a licence, R's licence is the GNU GPL - a completely valid and proper licence that gives you a legal right to use it. (If you 'buy R', my understanding is that, under its licence, all you'd be allowed to pay for is the medium it is carried on, not the program itself.) Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Joly" <dojoly at gmail.com> To: <r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: [R] How can you buy R?> Hi all, > > This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is soon > converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to install > software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software that > has > been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever that means). > > This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something I > can't > do without at this point. > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a > licensed > software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Damien > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.htmlThis message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
On Thursday 18 May 2006 14:51, Damien Joly wrote:> Hi all, > > This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is soon > converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to install > software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software that > has been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever that means). > > This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something I > can't do without at this point. > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a > licensed software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > Any ideas? >Well, first, have you pointed out to whatever limited neurons came up with that specification, that this will mean that part of your job can no longer be done because their specifications appear to rule out a key tool? Second, R is available for windows and works quite well. While there is no charge for R, it IS properly licensed properly licensed under the GPL. Theoretically, is system security is the actual issue, then the individual in charge of software acquisition can download and install it for you. All of that should be clear and above board and shouldn't compromise anything unless the "entity" you work for has become contractually constrained to avoid using OS ware for some obscure and irrational reason. What do they actually expect to gain from this policy? The _expensive_ alternative is to have them purchase S-Plus for you. If you present them with an estimated cost and l imagine they might think having the BOFH download R for windows for you might be the cost-effective way to go. JD
On 5/19/06, J Dougherty <jwd at surewest.net> wrote:> While there is no > charge for R, it IS properly licensed properly licensed under the GPL.At one company I was working for, I had to run all the licenses of all the software I had on my machine, through the legal department. When they read GNU Public License (GPL) their only comment was: We have no idea what that license means. Do not touch any software using it. Jarek On 5/19/06, J Dougherty <jwd at surewest.net> wrote:> > On Thursday 18 May 2006 14:51, Damien Joly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is > soon > > converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to > install > > software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software > > that has been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever thatmeans).> > > > This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something> > I can't do without at this point. > > > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a > > licensed software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > > > Any ideas? > > > Well, first, have you pointed out to whatever limited neurons came up > with that specification, that this will mean that part of your job can> no longer be done because their specifications appear to rule out a > key tool? > > Second, R is available for windows and works quite well. While there > is no charge for R, it IS properly licensed properly licensed under > the GPL. > Theoretically, is system security is the actual issue, then the > individual in charge of software acquisition can download and install > it for you. All of that should be clear and above board and shouldn't> compromise anything unless the "entity" you work for has become > contractually constrained to avoid using OS ware for some obscure and > irrational reason. > > What do they actually expect to gain from this policy? > > The _expensive_ alternative is to have them purchase S-Plus for you. > If you present them with an estimated cost and l imagine they might > think having the BOFH download R for windows for you might be the > cost-effective way to go. > > JD > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >[[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
> > On Thursday 18 May 2006 14:51, Damien Joly wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a > > > licensed software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > > > > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > > > > > Any ideas?Would cheapbytes ( http://www.cheapbytes.com/ ) work? http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070010796.html although this page looks awfully old ... Quantian may be better/more recent http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/38930.html although you might have to convince your legal people that this Linux software would also be "legal" on Windows ... what is a "licensed" software vendor?>
While reading the various answers, I've remembered that the juridic part can't be that so simple. If I'm not fogeting something, there are some packages in R that has a more restrictive licence than GPL. HTH, Rogerio. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Joly" <dojoly at gmail.com> To: <r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: [R] How can you buy R?> Hi all, > > This may seem like a dumb question, but I work for an entity that is soon > converting to XP across the board, and I will lose the ability to install > software on my own. The entity has a policy of only using software that > has > been purchased and "properly licensed" (whatever that means). > > This means I will soon lose the ability to use R at work - something I > can't > do without at this point. > > HOWEVER, I might be able to work around this policy if I can find a > licensed > software vendor, preferably in Canada, that sells R. > > I tried googling R vendors but was unsuccessful. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Damien > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >
Jarek wrote:> At one company I was working for, I had to run all the licenses of > all the software I had on my machine, through the legal department. > > When they read GNU Public License (GPL) their only comment was: We > have no idea what that license means. Do not touch any software using > it.This is typical of lawyers' minds. If something is clear, rational, lucid, straightforward, unambigous, means what it says .... they can't understand it. cheers, Rolf
About glmmADMB and GPL: We were not very cautious when we put in the GPL statement. What we wanted to say was that the use of glmmADMB is free, and does not require a license for AD Model Builder. Am I correct in interpreting this discussion so that all we have to do is to remove the "License: GPL" statement from the DESCRIPTION file (and everywhere else it may occur), and there will be no conflict between glmmADMB and the rules of the R community? We have temporarily withdrawn glmmADMB until this question has been settled. hans> Brian Ripley wrote: > >The issue in the glmmADMB example is not if they were required to release >it under GPL (my reading from the GPL FAQ is that they probably were not, >given that communication is between processes and the R code is >interpreted).>Rather, it is stated to be under GPL _but_ there is no source code offer >for the executables (and the GPL FAQ says that for anonymous FTP it should >be downloadable via the same site, and the principles apply equally to >HTTP sites). As the executables are not for my normal OS and I would like >to exercise my freedom to try the GPLed code, I have requested the sources >from the package maintainer.