To whom it may concern I tried to register, but I received no email. Tried anther email address - again no email. In both cases the wine forum sys had registered me, but without the confirmation email, I couldn't get on. I then created a yahoo web email - and this worked. So the sys can send to web accounts but evidently not to pop accounts.
Actually, it gets worse, because I just tried to change my email address to the correct address, and the system won't let me cos that email is already in use. [Laughing] :? [Crying or Very sad]
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 09:39 -0500, Ace... wrote:> So the sys can send to web accounts but evidently not to pop accounts. >Take a very careful look at your mail system, which sounds as if its mis-configured. My ISP uses POP3 for mail delivery and I have no problems receiving mail from the Wine mailing list or anyplace else. I use two configurations depending on where I am, but I use the Evolution mail reader, installed on a laptop, in both cases: Away from home: - I have Evolution configured to collect mail from my ISP's mail server using POP3, leaving copies of messages on the server, and to deliver mail to it using SMTP. At home: - I use getmail to retrieve mail from my ISP's mailserver using POP3, this time deleting mail from the server as it is read. - Getmail passes incoming mail through the Spamassassin spam filter to a Postfix mail server, which uses dovecot to provide a POP3 mail delivery service to my home network. - At home Evolution is configured to get incoming mail from my home mail server using POP3 and to send outgoing mail to my home mail server using SMTP. - The home Postfix server is configured to pass outgoing mail to my ISP's mailserver for onward delivery. This uses SMTP. Evolution allows multiple mailservers to be configured. As they can be enabled and disabled at will, its trivial to switch the copy on my laptop between 'home' and 'away' server usage. Martin
Thanks for the detailed responses. What I did do was: Check the mail in both evolution and pegasus mail. Evolution has no spam setup. PM has, and i checked the spam folder religously (4 times - twice per attempt) I then checked my actual isp mailbox. I then contacted the webmaster, who sent me an access code for AppDB, but of course that didn't help (but thanks anyway). I was pretty thorough. I finally contacted jnewman cos he was contactable.... maybe he notified the right people, but he never emailed me back. It is possible that the message was stopped by the isp, due to spam complaints from a pool - it happened to me once some time ago, but I can't see that being the case with wine -+ it's not gonna be in a pool. All this happened a couple of weeks ago, so maybe it has been fixed now (I was busy on the PMail forum). If it is working now the that's great, however, there are 2 accounts sat there on the sys, waiting for activation. I'd like to see them deleted, so that I can then adjust my profile email. Perhaps what I should do, is create another email address on my pop, and then re-test. I guess I should do that. :)
On 7/12/11 9:09 AM, Ace... wrote:> Thanks for the detailed responses. >Deleted extraneous accounts and sent private mail to this user. James
jjmckenzie wrote:> Deleted extraneous accounts and sent private mail to this user. > JamesJames, Thanks for doing that. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner (too busy). I've just checked the hotmail account, and got your message (and refrained from responding). :)
Good work that! Perhaps you could pm or mail me the raw email. The header data I could pass on to FREE, plus I could then activate my account. This latter would be useful, as I could then test the "forum post alert" sys. If i receive an email alerting a post reply (to my pop account) then we would tie the problem down to just the account activation message. If no email alert received, we can assume that winehq is on their blacklist (cos I get plenty of alerts from other forums etc. and they are all similar in structure)
Okay, Leave it with me. I don't know their response times.
hmmm! okay martin... ... but can you suggest something, or, are you primarily alerting us to the fact that, for want of a better word, the wine email sys has been hacked, and has therefore, as an entity, gained a bad reputation?
Martin Gregorie wrote:> > Now 8% of the mail I receive is spam, but most of that (80-90%) arrives > via the Wine mailing list and, whenever I've looked at the source, its > almost all been submitted via the CodeWeavers forum, which also feeds > into the Wine mailing list with, judging from the headers, no spam > filtering used. >Your saying 'the CodeWeavers forum feeds into the Wine mailing list' It's not clear to me what is meant by this. Is their forum using phpbb? Are we sharing the same email transports sys, so that all the mail appears to originate from the same source? If this is the case, then there is no point in me contacting the ISP admin, cos they could say that we ARE the source of spam. Is this not something that should be worked out with php, with an implementation of anti-spam measures, such as those you have outlined? But what I do know is that it's a bit of a bummer when WineHQ is considered such a source of spam, that its emails are simply blocked by certain ISP's. [Shocked] -
Martin Gregorie wrote:> ]It means that spam that appears on the Wine users mailing list is being > input through web forum software at Codeweavers. > > It also appears that more of the Wine project is hosted by Codeweavers > than I realised. The headers indicate that they host the Wine forums and > mailing lists.Obviously you've never visited the website. Every page has a "Hosted by Codeweavers" logo on it. The Crossover forum does not feed into the wine-user's mailing list; the header you cited came from the wine user's forum. Yes, we get lots of spam here. We delete from the forum as soon as we see it, but by then it's already gone to the mailing list.> > General consensus seems to be that keeping spammers out of forums is the > best approach. I can't recall getting spam from a mail list or forum > that uses an e-mail challenge/response system as part of the sign-up > process.You've gotten spam from this one, and the signup process clearly includes an email challenge/response--that's what this poster is having a problem with. In addition, to weed out bots, the signup process requires the person to answer a question about the history of the Wine project. The reality is that our spammers are real human beings, and there's no way to prevent them from signing up without blocking legitimate users too. Not long ago Dan mentioned in a thread (I forget which one) that the forum software is going to be upgraded to a version with better spam control features. Maybe that will help.
> This should not discourage a legitimate user > but will discourage spammers. >IMO, that will annoy legitimate users and not discourage spammers one bit. I'm sure you've noticed by now how persistent they are.> > In the meantime, both Dan and I are looking to see where spam is > coming from and if needed blocking IPs. If the IP address could be > captured and relayed to us before deleting messages from the forum, we > would appreciate it.I thought deleting spam was your job now.
jjmckenzie wrote:> > At this time, we are a 'juicy' target. Put in a delay for new users > and that might scare them off.IMO, it will still be worth their trouble as long as the spam posts are left in the mailing list archives.
jjmckenzie wrote:> I agree. However, if the moderators/admins are diligent and > record/remove the posts quicklyDeleting posts from the forum does not delete them from the archives. Someone with the power to delete posts from the archives needs to do it.
Martin Gregorie wrote:> > Directly from the wine-users mailing list. > > I don't have a Nabble account. >Could you check one of the emails where you thought the user was "forged" against what's in the archives? I had always assumed it was Nabble mangling things, but perhaps it is happening at this end.
Guessing at the ones attributed to me, based on dates/times:> Jun 22 14:11:06 > Subject: [Wine] Re: Problem with Power Point 2007 & Visio2007 on wine > From: "dimesio" <wineforum-user at winehq.org> > Rules: MG_SPAMREF,MG_WHITELIST,MG_WINELIST,MG_WINESPAM > > This message contains a URL that I think is spam payloadProbably this post: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/2011-June/092670.html> Jun 30 23:51:05 > Subject: SPAM: [Wine] Re: cannot activate Partsmart > From: "dimesio" <wineforum-user at winehq.org> > Rules: MG_PRODUCT,MG_WHITELIST,MG_WINELIST,MG_WINESPAM > > This message contains a product referenceProbably this: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/2011-June/093023.html> Jul 1 23:11:04 > Subject: SPAM: [Wine] Re: cannot activate Partsmart > From: "dimesio" <wineforum-user at winehq.org> > Rules: MG_PRODUCT,MG_WHITELIST,MG_WINELIST,MG_WINESPAM > > As aboveProbably this: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/2011-July/093076.html> > > Jul 11 15:31:14 > Subject: SPAM: [Wine] Re: ProgramError > From: "dimesio" <wineforum-user at winehq.org> > Rules: MG_MONEY,MG_SPAMREF,MG_WHITELIST,MG_WINELIST,MG_WINESPAMProbably this: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/2011-July/093510.html All of the posts above are mine, and are certainly not spam. Your spam filter seems to be overly aggressive about flagging anything with a URL in it as spam, and as for the "product reference" filter, posts do often contain the name of a commercial app, because that's what the person is seeking help with. If you really believe emails are being sent to the list under the wrong name, you need to produce an actual email that shows a different user compared to what is on the forum and in the archives.
Martin Gregorie wrote:> Did you include messages rather than links to > them?No, just the links. FYI, my responses often include links, and sometimes my whole response is just a link. I answer a lot of questions, and t's much more efficient to post a link to the relevant part of the FAQ, AppDB, or Bugzilla than to repeat the information here. You may have been screening out quite a lot of my responses.
Ace... wrote:> > 5. Could it be possible that the original log result of the refused mail; was actually, specifically correct. > > Ie. Spam detected > > meaning that the format, or something in the message, is triggering a spam filter?If it is, then that spam filter is badly misconfigured.> > Once this email has been modified, let's try it again. >Who said it was going to be modified?
Martin Gregorie wrote:> Many forums are moderated, i.e. posts are passed by a human before they > appear on the forum and I assume this is true for the Wine Users forum > and that posts aren't sent to the mail list until they've passed the > moderator. Correct assumptions?No. Forum moderators can edit and delete posts after they are made, and lock threads (which only affects the forum, not the mailing list), but there is no screening of posts beforehand.
bugzilla seems to be directed specifically to the wine software. I can file it here, if that is what is required? But isn't this a job for the forum administrator - a minor change of wording?
Understood. Thanks. :)
Martin Gregorie wrote:> > Some of us use the mail list as our main or only access to Wine users. > It was recently explained that the forum feeds posts into the mailing > list BEFORE the moderators see them. This is a problem: the spam has > already hit the mailing list before a moderator can see or cancel it, so > the single thing that would improve our experience is to move that feed > to a post-moderation pickup point. >That would require someone to read every single new post, several times a day.
david.hagood at gmail.com
2011-Jul-28 15:05 UTC
[Wine] Wine registration email - system failure
> That would require someone to read every single new post, several times a > day.What if something like DSPAM were inserted between the forum and the mailing list - take anything suspicious and quarantine it. Or what if you only moderate forum posters with fewer than $X successful posts? Most of the spammers seem to follow the standard "sign up, make a couple of BS posts, then flood."