wine users - Aug 2010 - Kontakt doesn't respond to Akai USB MIDI Keyboard

Ubuntu 10.4, Wine 1.1.42, Native Instruments Kontakt 4, Akai MPK88

I've installed Kontakt (sampled musical instruments).  Sound is working OK
with the OSS driver, but the program doesn't respond to the USB keyboard. :-
( The keyboard shows up in `winecfg` under "Audio", OSS, MIDI In/Out
devices.

I checked the MIDI options for the Kontakt program and it DOES show the Akai
keyboard - so the program knows the keyboard exists.  I've got it set so
that
device "Midi 1" is set to "Port A".  I've also tried
setting to ports b,c,d, but no luck.

I don't have jack or ASIO running yet as I want to troubleshoot one thing at
a time.

Is there something additional that needs to be done for USB MIDI keyboards to
work under Wine?

TIA,
Cosmo

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Cosmo Lee <cosmolee at cosmolee.com>
wrote:
> Ubuntu 10.4, Wine 1.1.42, Native Instruments Kontakt 4, Akai MPK88
>
> I've installed Kontakt (sampled musical instruments). ?Sound is working
OK with the OSS driver, but the program doesn't respond to the USB keyboard.
:-
> ( The keyboard shows up in `winecfg` under "Audio", OSS, MIDI
In/Out devices.
Why aren't you using ALSA????  you will want to expose Kontakt/wine to
the alsa driver,
snd-usb-audio. This driver is plug and play with the AKAI MPK. I own the MPK49.
OSS is sort of a dying driver, ALSA/Jack is what you will want.
Also, i am not sure if OSS even would implement midi for our devices....
> I checked the MIDI options for the Kontakt program and it DOES show the
Akai keyboard - so the program knows the keyboard exists. ?I've got it set
so that
> device "Midi 1" is set to "Port A". ?I've also
tried setting to ports b,c,d, but no luck.
>
> I don't have jack or ASIO running yet as I want to troubleshoot one
thing at a time.
You will want to get both Jack running, probably jack2 (1.9.5) and the
Latest WineASIO code
compiled and installed. Kontakt works great in linux.
> Is there something additional that needs to be done for USB MIDI keyboards
to work under Wine?
Nope, just use alsa, and select it in winecfg as your audio driver.
from there everything
should work perfect. The usb midi will work  fine, just make sure your
keyboard is plugged in before you open your wine app, otherwise it may
not show up. In the end you will want to use jack for audio apps like
this, just so you know!

I use All of my Native Instruments plugins under Linux.

jordan

Jordan:

Thanks much for your reply!  I actually tried using ALSA, but I couldn't get
it to work.  But since you wrote that you got it working, I went back and
started rooting around in winecfg and playing with it some more.  It turns out
the problem was that the bit setting in the "DirectSound" pane was on
8
by default.  I set it to 16 and bam, Kontakt worked!  (I wonder why it would
work w/ OSS @ 8 bits but not ALSA...)

I also played with the sample rate.  Sound with Kontakt seems to work with
winecfg set to either 22050 (the default) or 44100.  I notice that within
Kontakt itself, it is set for a sample rate of 44100.  Kontakt works either if
winecfg is set to 22050 or 44100.  Is there a reason to prefer one over
the other?  I don't know much about these things, my guess would be that
they should match - the winecfg rate & the Kontakt rate - but Kontakt seems
to
run the same either way.  

I know that Jack and WineASIO are things I should use eventually, but I wanted
to troubleshoot as simply as possible and get one thing to work at a
time.  OK, WineASIO and JACK next...

I see there's also a Jack audio driver under winecfg.  Why isn't that
the one to use instead of ALSA if you're running Jack??  Although, I noticed
that
the Jack driver doesn't have any MIDI devices show up - only "wave
in" and "wave out" devices.

I'm just getting into this Linux Audio stuff, since you seem to know
something about these things, is there a resource(s) for things Linux Audio that
you can recommend?  


Thanks a bunch,
Cosmo


On Wed Aug 18 21:09 , jordan johnston  sent:
>On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Cosmo Lee cosmolee at cosmolee.com>
wrote:
>> Ubuntu 10.4, Wine 1.1.42, Native Instruments Kontakt 4, Akai MPK88
>>
>> I've installed Kontakt (sampled musical instruments). ?Sound is
working OK with the OSS driver, but the program doesn't respond to the USB
keyboard. :-
>> ( The keyboard shows up in `winecfg` under "Audio", OSS, MIDI
In/Out devices.
>
>Why aren't you using ALSA????  you will want to expose Kontakt/wine to
>the alsa driver,
>snd-usb-audio. This driver is plug and play with the AKAI MPK. I own the
MPK49.
>OSS is sort of a dying driver, ALSA/Jack is what you will want.
>Also, i am not sure if OSS even would implement midi for our devices....
>
>> I checked the MIDI options for the Kontakt program and it DOES show the
Akai keyboard - so the program knows the keyboard exists. ?I've got it set
so
that
>> device "Midi 1" is set to "Port A". ?I've also
tried setting to ports b,c,d, but no luck.
>>
>> I don't have jack or ASIO running yet as I want to troubleshoot one
thing at a time.
>
>You will want to get both Jack running, probably jack2 (1.9.5) and the
>Latest WineASIO code
>compiled and installed. Kontakt works great in linux.
>
>> Is there something additional that needs to be done for USB MIDI
keyboards to work under Wine?
>
>Nope, just use alsa, and select it in winecfg as your audio driver.
>from there everything
>should work perfect. The usb midi will work  fine, just make sure your
>keyboard is plugged in before you open your wine app, otherwise it may
>not show up. In the end you will want to use jack for audio apps like
>this, just so you know!
>
>I use All of my Native Instruments plugins under Linux.
>
>jordan

I wanted to follow up with the things I did to get things working.  Maybe it
will be of help to others...

Install   WineASIO drivers for your distribution.  
Register the WineASIO drivers using a command such as: 
I actually forgot what command I used, but you can Google it...

WINE: run `winecfg`, choose Audio tab>
Select Alsa driver 
DirectSound pane: Default Sample Rate: 44100, Default Bits Per Sample: 16

Note: "Test Sound" test may fail if Jack is already running, but sound
may
still eventually work.  If I tried to run the test, it locked up winecfg. 
The way to unlock it is to quit Jack.


Run Jack: Setup> Settings>
	MIDI Driver: seq
Restart Jack for settings to take place.


Run Kontakt: `wine 'kontakt 4'`
Options>
	Audio> set Driver to "ASIO", set Device to "Wine ASIO
Driver"
	MIDI> Inputs> Akai MPK88 Midi 1 to Port A

Go to Jack "Connections", in Audio tab, connect "ASIO_Kontakt
4" to "system"
Note: if you make changes to the audio drivers in winecfg, this may reset
the MIDI options in Kontakt, and you will have to redo them.

Hope that helps!

-Cosmo
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