Looks like the mpeg gestapo are frantically at work cracking down on mpeg projects. Several important projects (tsunami mpeg, gogo, faac, etc) were shut down by the jack booted patent nazis. Since FhG, mpegla, etc plan to start charging royalties on everything even remotely mpeg-related very soon, I expect a lot of interest is going to shift to Vorbis. And soon thereafter, I expect FhG to attack Vorbis. FhG seem to have patents covering nearly every permutation of perceptual coding. Well, it seems Vorbis is already a far better codec than mpeg layer3, at least to my ears. Of course, FhG will never let such a thing exist for long. It threatens their revenue sources. I expect FhG will eventually send cease-and-desist letters, and if that doesnt work, they will file frivolous lawsuits. I think it's time for serious research for prior art to defend against possible FhG harassment and attacks. Does anyone have a list of FhG patents? -Dan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Dan Hollis wrote:> I think it's time for serious research for prior art to defend against > possible FhG harassment and attacks. Does anyone have a list of FhG > patents?Failing that, mirroring the xiph site and/or all Vorbis resources in a country that doesn't allow software patents like the US? Mirrors in general would also be handy, there are people willing to mirror "contraversial" content if the Fhg turns their guns on Vorbis. I for one would mirror it, since I seem to mirror everything else. (DeCSS, Cuecat, streambox VCR, that cyber patrol hack document, etcetc) This might sound a bit like "Fuck the man" but not everyone has money to fight frivilous lawsuits, just the time and will. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> I think it's time for serious research for prior art to defend against > possible FhG harassment and attacks. Does anyone have a list of FhG > patents? > > -Dan >The ones they want you to know about are listed at: http://mp3licensing.com/patents.html --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I don't think the u.k. has these patents and if not then it's probably a europe wide thing. I think it's mostly an american thing but it still affects european comapnies because we want to sell our software in the states. :( So a lot of people avoid gif and the like, also a lot of development tools are made in the states and will have things like gif disabled till you get a liscence from compuserve, so even people who are in the u.k. sometimes have to pay the royalty for a product only available in the u.k. just to get the the component that supports it! love Freya --- Daniel Richards <kyhwana@world-net.co.nz> wrote:> Dan Hollis wrote: > > > > Interesting, NZ doesn't have these patents? > > > > -Dan > No idea, I probably should check. > Even if we do have those patents, I don't give a > damn ;) > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. > No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will beignored/filtered. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.