samba - May 2003 - New Printing Howto collection is soooo good!!! (I learn a lot from theory)

Hi, I must say that i admire very much the printing documentation written by
one of your samba team. I wish 
every documentations is like this!  -- It explains to a newbie like me what
I need to know. It is amazing: i read 
it and in my head a few questions start to go round. I read 1 page more and
the questions are answered. It is not 
good  that the other documentation pages of the howto collections are not do
good. I have seen it has increased 
its size very big. The PDFs have now 200 page or more. I read about Kerberos
and don't understand. I read 
about print and do  understand. Why is the new print pages not in the  PDF.
Why   can you not teach Kerberos 
like you teach print? Why can you not teach LDAP? I read LDAP but dont
understood. Yes you written  "do this - 
do that" on Ldap but I still dont understand. But my head is spinning. From
many new things I read I do not 
understand what you mean: Pam, nsswitch, mySQL? xml and TDB? (no not TDB.
this is explains in print 
HowTO document, what it is. But how must I configuration TDB for user data?)

Can you explain more better? Please, please, please. We new Samba fans and
Linuxfriends must learn more
from it. But you must be good teachers because the  lessons are heavy. How
have you learned?

I think it is very good software from you to make   SAmba. It has makes my
old LInux 8.0 working with my 
Windows 95. But i have now new computers (1 computer and 1 laptop) got.  I
have new operation systems 
installed  and Samba works not more.

I have windows XP home and Linux 8,2. Can they make Samba?  I can not. But
my Cups print now works like
a dream. From reading Samba print dokuments (new).  But only prints with
Linux 8.2, not with Windows
with samba to Linux 82. I can print  fotos and they are good. The fotos  are
better from Linux 8.2 as  from XP.
 Not big difference but XP  is not so good prints on photo paper. Linux is
half so speed -- this is not so good. I 
burn CD  on XP with foto and do CD in my Linux and print. Please learm me
how Samba can make my fotos 
come through my cabel from windows to Linux.

Thank you very much. Have a nice day. Have a lot of fun. Enjoy.
LinuxNewbie

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On Mon, 5 May 2003, LinuxNewbie wrote:
> Hi, I must say that i admire very much the printing documentation
> written by one of your samba team. I wish every documentations is like
> this!  -- It explains to a newbie like me what I need to know. It is
Well thenk you. I presume you are referring to the
Samba-HOWTO-Collection.pdf that is still in development. You can get an up
to date (still work in progress) copy from:

	http://samba.org/~jht/NT4migration/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.pdf

I am still working on this, currently revising what is now chapter 4. It
has grown even further (about 239 pages).
> amazing: i read it and in my head a few questions start to go round. I
> read 1 page more and the questions are answered. It is not good that the
> other documentation pages of the howto collections are not do good. I
> have seen it has increased its size very big. The PDFs have now 200 page
> or more. I read about Kerberos and don't understand. I read about print
> and do understand. Why is the new print pages not in the PDF.
Kurt Pfiefle's new update to the printing section will be added as soon as
I receive them in XML format. Kurt is working with us on this.
> Why can you not teach Kerberos like you teach print?
We can and will, but your feedback is a little sharp and unfriendly.

The documentation has grown from 88 pages (samba-2.2.x) to over 239 pages.
I have labored hard for 2 months to get it to where it is. I am not being
paid while I work on this, and I do appreciate the encouragement I have
received from some kind folks.

You seem to expect more from me! Sorry, this work will happen as fast
and as comprehensively as I can.
> Why can you not teach LDAP? I read LDAP but dont understood.
The HOWTO is about Samba - it is not meant to be a definitive tutorial on
LDAP and it will NOT be that. There are other resources you can refer to
on LDAP.
> Yes you written "do this - do that" on Ldap but I still dont
understand.
> But my head is spinning.
This will not be a book on LDAP, if you need to learn about LDAP there are
other references (like the openLDAP manual) that are better suited to this
purpose.
> From many new things I read I do not understand what you mean: Pam,
> nsswitch, mySQL? xml and TDB? (no not TDB. this is explains in print
> HowTO document, what it is. But how must I configuration TDB for user
> data?)
As I said above, this is a work in progress. That means it is NOT
finished. It will be competed before Samba-3 ships. Please be patient.
> Can you explain more better? Please, please, please. We new Samba fans
> and Linuxfriends must learn more from it. But you must be good teachers
> because the lessons are heavy. How have you learned?
I will gladly accet your patches to the documentation. It is all in the
Samba 3.0.0 CVS tree. Please, please give me your patches. If you can not
send me your patche I will accept contributions and updates in any form in
which you wish to produce them.
> I think it is very good software from you to make SAmba. It has makes my
> old LInux 8.0 working with my Windows 95. But i have now new computers
> (1 computer and 1 laptop) got.  I have new operation systems installed
> and Samba works not more.
Well, you will need to learn more to fix that. Hopefully the new
documentation (when it is finished) will help you.
> I have windows XP home and Linux 8,2. Can they make Samba?  I can not.
> But my Cups print now works like a dream. From reading Samba print
> dokuments (new).  But only prints with Linux 8.2, not with Windows with
> samba to Linux 82. I can print fotos and they are good. The fotos are
> better from Linux 8.2 as from XP.
>
>  Not big difference but XP is not so good prints on photo paper. Linux
> is half so speed -- this is not so good. I burn CD on XP with foto and
> do CD in my Linux and print. Please learm me how Samba can make my fotos
> come through my cabel from windows to Linux.
I do not expect that a Samba HOWTO will be sufficient for you to solve all
these issues.
> Thank you very much. Have a nice day. Have a lot of fun. Enjoy.
> LinuxNewbie
- John T.
-- 
John H Terpstra
Email: jht@samba.org

LinuxNewbie tuxfriend at gmx.de wrote on Samba-Digest:
> Mon May 5 23:50:57 GMT 2003
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> Hi, I must say that i admire very much 
> the printing documentation written by
> one of your samba team. I wish 
> every documentations is like this!  -- 
> It explains to a newbie like me what
> I need to know. It is amazing: i read 
> it and in my head a few questions start 
> to go round. I read 1 page more and
> the questions are answered. 
Thanks for the compliments, I feel very much flattered now   ;-)
> It is not 
> good  that the other documentation pages 
> of the howto collections are not do
> good. 
Yes, I see a lot of rough edges there too. But be patient.
It is being worked on. It takes time. If you have never
written docuemtation yourself, you don't know how *much*
(if you want to make it well). Sometimes I think it takes
longer  than the code it describes...  ;-)   [Hey, you
developers:just kidding....]
> I have seen it has increased 
> its size very big. The PDFs have now 
> 200 page or more.
Here you see Jelmer's, Jerry's and John's (and all the
contributor's efforts to extend and expand the explanations
you are expecting.
> I read about Kerberos
> and don't understand.
Same for me...  ;-)
I can fully understand your feelings. But it is being worked
on. I myself am looking forward to read and study from all
the newly written chapters once they are released. (I started
to read chapter 4, and I think it has improved a *lot* from
4 weeks ago! I understand that part now better....)
> I read 
> about print and do  understand. Why 
> is the new print pages not in the  PDF.
It will be soon. I just am not good in writing DocBook XML
markup. Somebody else is helping to convert it. As soon as
that is done, I may be able to  maintain the XML source
version of the document. Currently I write in HTML.
> Why   can you not teach Kerberos 
> like you teach print? Why can you
>  not teach LDAP? I read LDAP but dont
> understood. Yes you written  "do this - 
> do that" on Ldap but I still dont 
> understand. But my head is spinning. 
> From many new things I read I do not 
> understand what you mean: Pam, nsswitch, 
> mySQL?
I don't know if it will be of any comfort to you: but I
don't understand it myself (from reading the old level
of docus). The old docus start at just a too hi level and
pre-require too much prior knowledge. I didn't have time
to look and search for good beginners's docu on those
topics. If I would have encountered newbie-friendly
documentation stubs about these topics *inside* the
Samba HOWTO Collection, I might have made the effort to
struggle though it. But I just didn't manage to make
the first jump, because the initial step was too high
for me to gear up...
> xml and TDB? (no not TDB. this is 
> explains in print HowTO document, what 
> it is. 
Thanks for this praise.
> But how must I configuration TDB 
> for user data?)
> 
> Can you explain more better? Please, 
> please, please. We new Samba fans and
> Linuxfriends must learn more
> from it. But you must be good teachers 
> because the  lessons are heavy. How
> have you learned?
I have learned the "hard" way. By reading a lot of "bad"
documentation and by maeing my own experiments. I have
prior knowledge about printing (from my experience in
the Microsoft world). I *know* what my initial questions
were, and I know what most users (and many admins, for
that matter) don't understand well. These things I want
to spell out. I try to write docu as I myself would like
to read. But maybe, for many people this is too verbose....
> I think it is very good software from 
> you to make   SAmba. It has makes my
> old LInux 8.0 working with my 
> Windows 95. But i have now new computers 
> (1 computer and 1 laptop) got.  I
> have new operation systems 
> installed  and Samba works not more.
> 
> I have windows XP home and Linux 8,2. 
Windows XP Home has an issue with networking inside
Domains. It is simple: it can't participate in a domain.
Microsoft has left out that part of the functionality
from Winows XP Home. It can only do "share level" (in
Samba-speak) security much like Windows 95). So it
depends a lot on your smb.conf.

But be patient. Wait another week or two. Then re-visit
the new HOWTO Collection. I am sure it will be an
incredible step forward.
> Can they make Samba?  I can not. But
> my Cups print now works like
> a dream. From reading Samba print 
> dokuments (new).  But only prints with
> Linux 8.2,
Well, isn't that an achievement?
> not with Windows
> with samba to Linux 82. I can print  
> fotos and they are good. The fotos  are
> better from Linux 8.2 as  from XP.
This is what I hear often, especially for the Gimp-Print
drivers and the HP hpijs drivers. But I myself don't
own a photo printer.
>  Not big difference but XP  is not so 
> good prints on photo paper.
I hope you tell (and show) your still-Windows friends.....
> Linux is
> half so speed -- this is not so good. 
I guess the higher quality has a price. This price is
speed losses for the sake of more exact rendering
algorithms. But I hear this will improve soon too...  ;-)
> I 
> burn CD  on XP with foto and do CD in 
> my Linux and print. Please learm me
> how Samba can make my fotos 
> come through my cabel from windows to 
> Linux.
I am sure we will soon be able to get that to work.
> Thank you very much. Have a nice day. 
> Have a lot of fun. Enjoy.
I do.
> LinuxNewbie
Cheers,
Kurt