Thanks to all for the input. rgentlem at jimmy.harvard.edu said:>If you really want help --no, I just thought I'd waste some bandwidth. :-)>If on the other hand you >just want some reassurance that Splus is indeed a commerical packageoh gee, thanks, I wasn't sure about that. When I had said:>> R can't handle files named x. If I can use Splus, should I just do that?RG added: >This is simply untrue. Perhaps you could read those discussions >somewhat more carefully. There was definitely a recent message to the effect that someone was trying to do something with an object named 'x', and the reply came back that it wasn't possible -- there was a bug that prevented one calling an object x and using the desired function. Was the function glm, perhaps? I've overwritten that message, now, so can't quote directly. G.Janacek at uea.ac.uk said:> UEA runs both R and Splus. The Splus license in on the Unix boxes. >The version of R os I am told a buggy one and the current one is >better.I think this explains a lot about my situation. It's version 0.90.1 of R on DEC alphas I've been trying to use. And I was misinformed when told we didn't have Splus any more (arrrrrrrrrgggg) However... I could become an R convert if I'm told it's a) mind-bogglingly simple to install on Win Nt there are firm limits to my geek credentials b) can handle cluster analysis with 2000 records (mclust, preferred, although I'd take kmeans if nec'y). Splus 5.0 on the Manchester Cray has been falling over on this, much to my great annoyance, no matter how large a workspace I give mclust, hclust or kmeans, etc. mark at myatt.demon.co.uk noted:>I don't think that there are any "graphic- >interface-only" versions of SPSS.well, what we have (seems to be version 6.14) is definitely pull-down menus, the lot -- like using Micro$oft Excel -- but slower than treacle on an Artic day to run.>Of course, there is some pride in being an SPlus, and by implication R, >user as these systems have the reputation of being tools for illuminati.I adore Splus when it works. One last thing: ernesto at neptuno.ipimar.pt mentioned:>I had a S+ license during 1998 and I'm now looking again at >S+ because I want to use the S+SpatialStats.I guess you mean the Arc-S+ links? The 8 or 9 functions they were flogging about 5 years ago or so for 800 quid or so? (That's $ 11000 or so to the Yanks). I don't know if the Spatial modeule has been improved wildly, but a friend of mine sat down and wrote one of the functions in an hour once (and he's an Splus person, not an AML person, which is where I come from). Last time I looked at them there were 8 or 9 utilitites in the S+Arc link and all but one I reckoned I could cobble together from simple AML function calls (I have done this for other purposes). What I'm saying is, it really may be a waste of money to get the Spatial modules. -julii -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 J.Brainard at uea.ac.uk wrote:> When I had said: > >> R can't handle files named x. If I can use Splus, should I just do that? > > RG added: > >This is simply untrue. Perhaps you could read those discussions > >somewhat more carefully. > > There was definitely a recent message to the effect that someone was > trying to do something with an object named 'x', and the reply came > back that it wasn't possible -- there was a bug that prevented > one calling an object x and using the desired function. > Was the function glm, perhaps? > I've overwritten that message, now, so can't quote directly.http://www.ens.gu.edu.au/robertk/R/help/00b/1925.html It was a problem with data frames (not 'files') named 'x'. I may be stating the obvious, but I think some people on this list may have taken exception at the tone of your first message which had (whether intentionally or not) a tone of "R doesn't work, what are you going to do about it?" No-one gets paid to develop R, they don't care whether you use R or not; most people who have used R have (I would guess) had a very good experience. It may be that you got stuck with an old version, but the kinds of problems you described sounded odd indeed, as though there was something else wrong. The more detail you can give about the version you are using (see ?bug.report) and what you tried to do, with simple examples that other people can run if possible, the more likely you are to get help.> G.Janacek at uea.ac.uk said: > > UEA runs both R and Splus. The Splus license in on the Unix boxes. > >The version of R os I am told a buggy one and the current one is > >better. > > I think this explains a lot about my situation. It's version 0.90.1 of R > on DEC alphas I've been trying to use. And I was misinformed > when told we didn't have Splus any more (arrrrrrrrrgggg) > > > However... I could become an R convert if I'm told it's > > a) mind-bogglingly simple to install on Win Nt > there are firm limits to my geek credentialsIt's really very simple -- there's an installer that takes just a few mouse clicks. I've done it in ten minutes, and I'm not much of an NT person.> b) can handle cluster analysis with 2000 records (mclust, preferred, > although I'd take kmeans if nec'y). Splus 5.0 on the > Manchester Cray has been falling over on this, much to my great > annoyance, no matter how large a workspace I give mclust, hclust > or kmeans, etc.There is an mclust package on CRAN (http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/PACKAGES.html#mclust), I don't have any idea what the memory limitations are. Do you know enough about the clustering algorithm (I don't) to know if this kind of analysis would involve mindbogglingly large matrices that would choke any system? S+Spatialstats is not the ARCview interface, but a variety of functions for spatial analysis. Much of the functionality can probably be gotten by cobbling together freely available packages (splancs, the spatial package from Venables and Ripley, sgeostat, etc.) or written from scratch, but it does provide some extra functionality.> I guess you mean the Arc-S+ links? The 8 or 9 functions they > were flogging about 5 years ago or so for 800 quid or so? > (That's $ 11000 or so to the Yanks).Order of magnitude problem in the currency conversion here?> What I'm saying is, it really may be a waste of money to get the > Spatial modules.Take a look before you decide this: http://www.splus.mathsoft.com/products/spatial/spatialintro.html -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
J.Brainard at uea.ac.uk Writes:>mark at myatt.demon.co.uk noted: >>I don't think that there are any "graphic- >>interface-only" versions of SPSS. > >well, what we have (seems to be version 6.14) is definitely pull-down >menus, the lot -- like using Micro$oft Excel -- >but slower than treacle on an Artic day to run.No, that does have a 'syntax' editor. Mark -- Mark Myatt -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._