Icecast - Aug 2004 - IceCast Questions.... ("id3 tags, mp3, Ogg, etc)

On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:34:38AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind
wrote:
> > The more people that ask Apple for support the better, I suppose - go
> > ahead and ask them!
> 
> Out-of-the-box (e.g. auto-codec-download) would really be a good idea 
> for sure. But did you notice there is already a component for 
> QuickTime to support vorbis?
> 
> http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Just came across it when searching. There are Versions for Mac and 
> Win. Tried it without success - but maybe the problem was me? *g* 
It works for static files, but not for streaming.  AFAIK, only Apple
could write a plugin that supports streaming, as it requires a so far
unpublished API to do so.

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On 21 Jul 2003 at 12:17, Michael Smith wrote:
> > > vorbis is supported in WMP by external plugins - they're not
built
> > > in, and not auto-downloaded. There is a real plugin, it will soon
> > > (but not yet, afaik) be available from the auto-download servers.
> > > iTunes doesn't support it.
> >
> > Ouch. Is the Vorbis codec "finalized" ? I saw some talk that
they
> > keep improving it. If there is backwards compatibility then that is
> > fine. Maybe if we request iTunes add Vorbis support Apple would
> > implement it?
> 
> Yes, the vorbis format is definately finalised (has been for well over
> a year, now). We've published the spec ourselves, but we're also
> persuing publication as an RFC, etc. While the encoder will continue
> to be improved, existing decoders will work without modification.
> 
> The more people that ask Apple for support the better, I suppose - go
> ahead and ask them!
Out-of-the-box (e.g. auto-codec-download) would really be a good idea 
for sure. But did you notice there is already a component for 
QuickTime to support vorbis?

http://qtcomponents.sourceforge.net/

Just came across it when searching. There are Versions for Mac and 
Win. Tried it without success - but maybe the problem was me? *g*
>From the page it looks very promising - and maybe that's a project in 
somebody might like to contribute, since it was last changed in 2002.

 Stefan
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> > vorbis is supported in WMP by external plugins - they're not built
in,
> > and not auto-downloaded.
> > There is a real plugin, it will soon (but not yet, afaik) be available
> > from the auto-download servers.
> > iTunes doesn't support it.
>
> Ouch. Is the Vorbis codec "finalized" ? I saw some talk that they
keep
> improving it. If there is backwards compatibility then that is fine. Maybe
> if we request iTunes add Vorbis support Apple would implement it?
Yes, the vorbis format is definately finalised (has been for well over a year, 
now). We've published the spec ourselves, but we're also persuing
publication
as an RFC, etc. While the encoder will continue to be improved, existing 
decoders will work without modification.

The more people that ask Apple for support the better, I suppose - go ahead 
and ask them!

Mike

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* Michael Smith <msmith@xiph.org> shaped the electrons to say...
> The more people that ask Apple for support the better, I suppose - go ahead
and ask them!
FYI - Apple ('s lawyers) believes that Ogg/Vorbis is patent encumbered, and
don't want to take the risk.

Don't shoot the messenger.

-D

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On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 08:28:45PM -0700, Dan Sully
wrote:
> * Michael Smith <msmith@xiph.org> shaped the electrons to say...
> 
> > The more people that ask Apple for support the better, I suppose - go
ahead and ask them!
> 
> FYI - Apple ('s lawyers) believes that Ogg/Vorbis is patent encumbered,
and don't want to take the risk.
> 
> Don't shoot the messenger.
Yea more propiganda.. they wont support Ogg cause they're afraid it may
not be free, yet will whole-heartedly support MPEG-4.  Of course, the
fact that they've got a rep on the MPEG group's board has nothing to do
with it...

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