> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manuel Lora [mailto:vanguardist@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:29 AM
> To: icecast@xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] directory servers
>
>
> I never said that the information would be deleted. Rather,
> the new page will
> concentrate on icecast2 and related vorbis projects. The
> information for the
> older releases (as well as all the content from the Icecast1
> page) will just
> be a click away.
>
> I'm not justifying anything. Read back to a few days ago,
> maybe a week or so.
> I asked for help documenting Icecast2 and Ices2. You just not
> reading. Also,
> you might not be aware that there are things on irc, personal
> email, and
> other private communications that you just don't know.
You are correct. I don't know. I spend an hour or so a week reading posts
here, but I can't *actively* follow everything, especially IRC.
My suggestion here is, for someone who IS involved, post a Weekly Status. Even a
small one.
<p>> > Just because you don't see us doing anything doesn't mean
> that it won't happen
> or that it is not going to happen. We have several people
> working on new
> pages. When they're done, they will be uploaded and posted.
>
> As Mike said, this is a volunteer project. Read his message
> again. Other than
> an email address @xiph.org, I haven't received any money. We
> do what we can.
>
> I invite you to help then, instead of wasting your energy
> here.
Accepted. :-)
Not sure what to do. At my current level of involvement I would prefer to choose
a job from a list. I only have a few hours to offer at a time (working at a
startup and all..).
I'm sure you > have useful skills that would make Xiph.org (and it's
> NEGLECTED pages) a
> better project for all.
Thank you (and Michael) for explaining the situation, and past problems which
caused the website to become neglected.
I know some shell and Perl, and am a good software tester. My understanding of
webpage languages is all circa-1996 stuff (want hardcoded HTML diffs against the
outdated webpages?)
>
> Thank you,
>
> Manuel Lora
> Project Manager
> Xiph.org Foundation
>
>
>
> On Thursday 21 November 2002 05:29 pm, Scott Prive wrote:
> > > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast
> > > 1.x releases.
> > > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2
> > > and Ices2, for
> >
> > Are you serious???
> >
> > The development state of "Icecast 1" vs. Icecast2 has
> *nothing* to do with
> > the web site. Not from a user perspective anyways.
> >
> > What's infuriating is you're not even ASKING for help..
> you're justifying
> > NEGLECT. The *.icecast.org web family is ABANDONED.
> >
> > LISTEN to your users; you won't hear a PEEP from the people
> who simply hit
> > "Back" on their webbrowser will you?
> >
> > I'd have more sympathy for your position if you said you
> were in dire need
> > of volunteers to impliment some improvements you have in
> mind, but that's
> > not what you're saying.
> >
> > Here are some constructive suggestions:
> > 1) Fix the directory server, or TAKE IT DOWN. My guess is
> there has been no
> > decision to take it down, and for whatevr reason, no one
> wants to FIX it.
> > If the directory server protocol has changed in Icecast2,
> then consider
> > running an Ices2 directory server. If the Icecast2
> directory code is not
> > yet ready.. then it's probably premature to declare
> Icecast1 dead isn't it?
> >
> > 2) Are there NO Icecast2 issues worthy of a FAQ?
> >
> > 3) Are there NO Icecast2 Development milestones & success which
are
> > newsworthy?
> >
> > 4) How about links to other applications that have
> dependencies on Icecast?
> > You know.. "community" stuff.
> >
> > 5) If nothing happens for a very long time, just say so.
> Every few months a
> > web note of "Hello... we're still here..." will be
> informative, since it
> > indicates someone cares (and shows you still know tha password)
> >
> > If I sound unfairly harsh, it's because of justifying the
> state of the
> > website being due to the Icecast1 to Icecast2 transition.
> >
> > Seriously... if you need help, put up a "Help Wanted"
> webpage with a list
> > of many small TODO items people could claim.
> >
> > It's good to hear there is work on updated web pages.
> Looking forward to
> > it.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Manuel Lora [mailto:vanguardist@cox.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:59 PM
> > > To: icecast@xiph.org
> > > Subject: Re: [icecast] directory servers
> > >
> > >
> > > We're in the process of updating web pages.
> > >
> > > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast
> > > 1.x releases.
> > > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2
> > > and Ices2, for
> > > Ogg Vorbis streaming, and thus, the new page will be updating
> > > accordingly.
> > >
> > >
> > > ml
> > >
> > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:42 pm, Dale Ghent wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Martin Blackwell wrote:
> > > > | i remember a while ago when nothing was listed- or
> > >
> > > yp.icecast.org didnt
> > >
> > > > | like mozilla 1.1
> > > >
> > > > yp.icecast.org has been broken for some time, and the
icecast
> > > > "maintainers" do not seem to care.
> > > >
> > > > It's a orphaned site, for all intents and purposes, it
seems.
> > > >
> > > > Unless "they" (xiph.org? vorbis.com?) want someone
to step
> > >
> > > up and maintain
> > >
> > > > icecast.org.
> > > >
> > > > /dale
> > > >
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