> www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast > 1.x releases. > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2 > and Ices2, forAre you serious??? The development state of "Icecast 1" vs. Icecast2 has *nothing* to do with the web site. Not from a user perspective anyways. What's infuriating is you're not even ASKING for help.. you're justifying NEGLECT. The *.icecast.org web family is ABANDONED. LISTEN to your users; you won't hear a PEEP from the people who simply hit "Back" on their webbrowser will you? I'd have more sympathy for your position if you said you were in dire need of volunteers to impliment some improvements you have in mind, but that's not what you're saying. Here are some constructive suggestions: 1) Fix the directory server, or TAKE IT DOWN. My guess is there has been no decision to take it down, and for whatevr reason, no one wants to FIX it. If the directory server protocol has changed in Icecast2, then consider running an Ices2 directory server. If the Icecast2 directory code is not yet ready.. then it's probably premature to declare Icecast1 dead isn't it? 2) Are there NO Icecast2 issues worthy of a FAQ? 3) Are there NO Icecast2 Development milestones & success which are newsworthy? 4) How about links to other applications that have dependencies on Icecast? You know.. "community" stuff. 5) If nothing happens for a very long time, just say so. Every few months a web note of "Hello... we're still here..." will be informative, since it indicates someone cares (and shows you still know tha password) If I sound unfairly harsh, it's because of justifying the state of the website being due to the Icecast1 to Icecast2 transition. Seriously... if you need help, put up a "Help Wanted" webpage with a list of many small TODO items people could claim. It's good to hear there is work on updated web pages. Looking forward to it. :-) Peace, Scott <p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p>> -----Original Message-----> From: Manuel Lora [mailto:vanguardist@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:59 PM > To: icecast@xiph.org > Subject: Re: [icecast] directory servers > > > We're in the process of updating web pages. > > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast > 1.x releases. > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2 > and Ices2, for > Ogg Vorbis streaming, and thus, the new page will be updating > accordingly. > > > ml > > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:42 pm, Dale Ghent wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Martin Blackwell wrote: > > | i remember a while ago when nothing was listed- or > yp.icecast.org didnt > > | like mozilla 1.1 > > > > yp.icecast.org has been broken for some time, and the icecast > > "maintainers" do not seem to care. > > > > It's a orphaned site, for all intents and purposes, it seems. > > > > Unless "they" (xiph.org? vorbis.com?) want someone to step > up and maintain > > icecast.org. > > > > /dale > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > -- > > Vorbis: Open, Free Audio :: http://www.vorbis.com > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Id definatly be interested in helping with the ices2 icecast2 directory protocol. Just take a look at wp.casterclub.com. Is there a list of TODO pages anywhere??? Best Regards Dave St John Mediacast1 Administration (720) 641-7586 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Lora" <vanguardist@cox.net> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] directory servers <p>I never said that the information would be deleted. Rather, the new page will concentrate on icecast2 and related vorbis projects. The information for the older releases (as well as all the content from the Icecast1 page) will just be a click away. I'm not justifying anything. Read back to a few days ago, maybe a week or so. I asked for help documenting Icecast2 and Ices2. You just not reading. Also, you might not be aware that there are things on irc, personal email, and other private communications that you just don't know. Just because you don't see us doing anything doesn't mean that it won't happen or that it is not going to happen. We have several people working on new pages. When they're done, they will be uploaded and posted. As Mike said, this is a volunteer project. Read his message again. Other than an email address @xiph.org, I haven't received any money. We do what we can. I invite you to help then, instead of wasting your energy here. I'm sure you have useful skills that would make Xiph.org (and it's NEGLECTED pages) a better project for all. Thank you, Manuel Lora Project Manager Xiph.org Foundation <p><p>On Thursday 21 November 2002 05:29 pm, Scott Prive wrote:> > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast > > 1.x releases. > > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2 > > and Ices2, for > > Are you serious??? > > The development state of "Icecast 1" vs. Icecast2 has *nothing* to do with > the web site. Not from a user perspective anyways. > > What's infuriating is you're not even ASKING for help.. you're justifying > NEGLECT. The *.icecast.org web family is ABANDONED. > > LISTEN to your users; you won't hear a PEEP from the people who simply hit > "Back" on their webbrowser will you? > > I'd have more sympathy for your position if you said you were in dire need > of volunteers to impliment some improvements you have in mind, but that's > not what you're saying. > > Here are some constructive suggestions: > 1) Fix the directory server, or TAKE IT DOWN. My guess is there has beenno> decision to take it down, and for whatevr reason, no one wants to FIX it. > If the directory server protocol has changed in Icecast2, then consider > running an Ices2 directory server. If the Icecast2 directory code is not > yet ready.. then it's probably premature to declare Icecast1 dead isn'tit?> > 2) Are there NO Icecast2 issues worthy of a FAQ? > > 3) Are there NO Icecast2 Development milestones & success which are > newsworthy? > > 4) How about links to other applications that have dependencies onIcecast?> You know.. "community" stuff. > > 5) If nothing happens for a very long time, just say so. Every few monthsa> web note of "Hello... we're still here..." will be informative, since it > indicates someone cares (and shows you still know tha password) > > If I sound unfairly harsh, it's because of justifying the state of the > website being due to the Icecast1 to Icecast2 transition. > > Seriously... if you need help, put up a "Help Wanted" webpage with a list > of many small TODO items people could claim. > > It's good to hear there is work on updated web pages. Looking forward to > it. > > :-) > > Peace, > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Manuel Lora [mailto:vanguardist@cox.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:59 PM > > To: icecast@xiph.org > > Subject: Re: [icecast] directory servers > > > > > > We're in the process of updating web pages. > > > > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast > > 1.x releases. > > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2 > > and Ices2, for > > Ogg Vorbis streaming, and thus, the new page will be updating > > accordingly. > > > > > > ml > > > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:42 pm, Dale Ghent wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Martin Blackwell wrote: > > > | i remember a while ago when nothing was listed- or > > > > yp.icecast.org didnt > > > > > | like mozilla 1.1 > > > > > > yp.icecast.org has been broken for some time, and the icecast > > > "maintainers" do not seem to care. > > > > > > It's a orphaned site, for all intents and purposes, it seems. > > > > > > Unless "they" (xiph.org? vorbis.com?) want someone to step > > > > up and maintain > > > > > icecast.org. > > > > > > /dale > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > > > > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > > > > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > > > > subject is needed. > > > > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > -- > > > > Vorbis: Open, Free Audio :: http://www.vorbis.com > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > > subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.-- Vorbis: Open, Free Audio :: http://www.vorbis.com <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I never said that the information would be deleted. Rather, the new page will concentrate on icecast2 and related vorbis projects. The information for the older releases (as well as all the content from the Icecast1 page) will just be a click away. I'm not justifying anything. Read back to a few days ago, maybe a week or so. I asked for help documenting Icecast2 and Ices2. You just not reading. Also, you might not be aware that there are things on irc, personal email, and other private communications that you just don't know. Just because you don't see us doing anything doesn't mean that it won't happen or that it is not going to happen. We have several people working on new pages. When they're done, they will be uploaded and posted. As Mike said, this is a volunteer project. Read his message again. Other than an email address @xiph.org, I haven't received any money. We do what we can. I invite you to help then, instead of wasting your energy here. I'm sure you have useful skills that would make Xiph.org (and it's NEGLECTED pages) a better project for all. Thank you, Manuel Lora Project Manager Xiph.org Foundation <p><p>On Thursday 21 November 2002 05:29 pm, Scott Prive wrote:> > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast > > 1.x releases. > > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2 > > and Ices2, for > > Are you serious??? > > The development state of "Icecast 1" vs. Icecast2 has *nothing* to do with > the web site. Not from a user perspective anyways. > > What's infuriating is you're not even ASKING for help.. you're justifying > NEGLECT. The *.icecast.org web family is ABANDONED. > > LISTEN to your users; you won't hear a PEEP from the people who simply hit > "Back" on their webbrowser will you? > > I'd have more sympathy for your position if you said you were in dire need > of volunteers to impliment some improvements you have in mind, but that's > not what you're saying. > > Here are some constructive suggestions: > 1) Fix the directory server, or TAKE IT DOWN. My guess is there has been no > decision to take it down, and for whatevr reason, no one wants to FIX it. > If the directory server protocol has changed in Icecast2, then consider > running an Ices2 directory server. If the Icecast2 directory code is not > yet ready.. then it's probably premature to declare Icecast1 dead isn't it? > > 2) Are there NO Icecast2 issues worthy of a FAQ? > > 3) Are there NO Icecast2 Development milestones & success which are > newsworthy? > > 4) How about links to other applications that have dependencies on Icecast? > You know.. "community" stuff. > > 5) If nothing happens for a very long time, just say so. Every few months a > web note of "Hello... we're still here..." will be informative, since it > indicates someone cares (and shows you still know tha password) > > If I sound unfairly harsh, it's because of justifying the state of the > website being due to the Icecast1 to Icecast2 transition. > > Seriously... if you need help, put up a "Help Wanted" webpage with a list > of many small TODO items people could claim. > > It's good to hear there is work on updated web pages. Looking forward to > it. > > :-) > > Peace, > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Manuel Lora [mailto:vanguardist@cox.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:59 PM > > To: icecast@xiph.org > > Subject: Re: [icecast] directory servers > > > > > > We're in the process of updating web pages. > > > > www.icecast.org contains information regarding the icecast > > 1.x releases. > > Development on that series has stopped in favor of Icecast2 > > and Ices2, for > > Ogg Vorbis streaming, and thus, the new page will be updating > > accordingly. > > > > > > ml > > > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:42 pm, Dale Ghent wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Martin Blackwell wrote: > > > | i remember a while ago when nothing was listed- or > > > > yp.icecast.org didnt > > > > > | like mozilla 1.1 > > > > > > yp.icecast.org has been broken for some time, and the icecast > > > "maintainers" do not seem to care. > > > > > > It's a orphaned site, for all intents and purposes, it seems. > > > > > > Unless "they" (xiph.org? vorbis.com?) want someone to step > > > > up and maintain > > > > > icecast.org. > > > > > > /dale > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > > > > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > > > > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > > > > subject is needed. > > > > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > -- > > > > Vorbis: Open, Free Audio :: http://www.vorbis.com > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > > 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > > subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.-- Vorbis: Open, Free Audio :: http://www.vorbis.com <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.