On 04/11/2017 09:10 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:> Another huge concern: It breaks, someone else has to fix it because it's in the C source - after it reaches a high enough priority. At least with scripts you could conceivably hack it. From what I've read there is some ability to get systemd to defer to a script, I'm going to have to become an expert at that.Even as a former C programmer, that disturbs me too. I'd much rather have a bash script to look at-- and manually step through.
> > I'd much rather have a bash script to look at-- and manually step through.Is that a joke? Bash is an almighty impenetrable nightmare. I've been doing *nix for nearly 10 years and *still* am unable to read anything vaguely complicated in bash whereas I can write fairly decent python after 6 months. From my point of view SystemD is amazing I can write a 6 line service file for my apps and it *just works* and I don't have to think about it anymore. What is it about SystemD that brings out the Richard Stallman in everyone?
Andrew Holway wrote:>> >> I'd much rather have a bash script to look at-- and manually step >> through. >Same here.> > Is that a joke? Bash is an almighty impenetrable nightmare. I've been > doing *nix for nearly 10 years and *still* am unable to read anythingvaguely> complicated in bash whereas I can write fairly decent python after 6 > months. From my point of view SystemD is amazing I can write a 6 line > service file for my apps and it *just works* and I don't have to think > about it anymore. > > What is it about SystemD that brings out the Richard Stallman in everyone?Sorry, other than my manager's extreme use of regular expressions, most scripts are perfectly clear. I'm not sure what you're seeing as an "impenetrable nightmare" mark "likes bash, because I can use my c-shell-isms"
On 04/11/2017 07:50 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:>> I'd much rather have a bash script to look at-- and manually step through. > > Is that a joke? Bash is an almighty impenetrable nightmare. I've been doing > *nix for nearly 10 years and *still* am unable to read anything vaguely > complicated in bash whereas I can write fairly decent python after 6 > months. From my point of view SystemD is amazing I can write a 6 line > service file for my apps and it *just works* and I don't have to think > about it anymore. > > What is it about SystemD that brings out the Richard Stallman in everyone? > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >*10 WHOLE years*... And bash is *STILL* impenetrable for you? How about over 30 and it took me a week? No, I don't carry a CS degree or cert of any kind either, just some high school. For me, systemd has been an absolute nightmare of unexpected reboots and non-transparently broken processes with just plain bad implementations crammed onto my system. Faster boot they said, except it ISN'T faster now, it's slower and MUCH more difficult to sort through to find out why with it's monolithic architecture and poor documentation. It wasn't broken before. What was being fixed?
Interesting that you should cite Stallman because freedom is an issue here, we've been reduced to Microsoft when it comes to init. We've lost most of our flexibility with no option to choose piecemeal what we want and don't want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Holway" <andrew.holway at gmail.com> To: "centos" <centos at centos.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: systemd Poll> > I'd much rather have a bash script to look at-- and manually step through.Is that a joke? Bash is an almighty impenetrable nightmare. I've been doing *nix for nearly 10 years and *still* am unable to read anything vaguely complicated in bash whereas I can write fairly decent python after 6 months. From my point of view SystemD is amazing I can write a 6 line service file for my apps and it *just works* and I don't have to think about it anymore. What is it about SystemD that brings out the Richard Stallman in everyone? _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS at centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos