On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 14:27 -0700, Warren Young wrote:> I only dragged Merriam-Webster into this to show that third party arbitration doesn?t help settle the argument. That should tell you that we?re not dealing with a single universal sense of the word ?enterprise?. If we can?t agree on its meaning, we can?t sensibly argue about how well RHEL adheres to that meaning.Hallo, hallo, the majority of the world is not the US of A. Our chosen dictionaries are not US of A ones. Probably within the next ten years a Chinese originated version of Linux will supplant many of the US of A versions. No doubt .mil is currently seeking a more secure version of any commercial or free operating system after its publicly embarrassing hacking. The US of A's DoD is never ever going to confess how deep the hackers penetrated.> > This issue?is? > > the path that RHEL seems to be following at the moment > > So get involved with the development of RHEL 8, rather than complain about a design that started taking shape three years ago, and which is now set in stone.Being in the real world rather than in the hectic and unstable 'change every 6 months Fedora environment', just what are the RHEL/Centos 8 options at this moment? Real users of RHEL/SL/Centos want 1. stability 2. reliability 3. security revisions 4. bug fixes Many real users lack the time - because time is always finite - to comprehensively monitor the multitude of Fedora lists. Ideally, before RH decides to impose an abstract version of Fedora upon the world, RH could ask for comments and give everyone sufficient time to respond. Bored clever people who never really run anything on a daily basis should remember that if they wish to play games, then Centos is probably not the best Linux. Neither is RHEL/SL. Having a high IQ is never an indication of common, or of any other practical, sense. Progress for progress's sake is not beneficial. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.
On 01/13/2015 04:03 PM, Always Learning wrote:> Being in the real world rather than in the hectic and unstable 'change > every 6 months Fedora environment', just what are the RHEL/Centos 8 > options at this moment? Real users of RHEL/SL/Centos want > > 1. stability > 2. reliability > 3. security revisions > 4. bug fixesFor the love of Pete! If you use RHEL or CentOS, you'll have a stable, reliable operating system with bug and security fixes for upward of 10 years! For free (in the case of CentOS)! Will you give it a rest already? If you can't tolerate moderate changes at a 10 year interval, then there probably isn't any option for you.> Ideally, before RH decides to impose an abstract version of Fedora upon > the world, RH could ask for comments and give everyone sufficient time > to respond.So you want them to do what? 5 years of development and then get your approval on hundreds or thousands of those efforts, and then once they have your approval, another few years of development and testing to make sure that whatever you approve actually works? Oh, and you don't want to pay for it, either. I don't know what world you live in, but economies don't work that way. They never did. Free Software is a participation economy. Your feeling of entitlement to dictate how Fedora, Red Hat, and CentOS function, without contributing any of your own time or money, is shockingly disconnected from reality. Please stop arguing about this. It is annoying.
Just to note: Fedora has been upstream for RHEL for many years. New features are tested in Fedora for a long time before they hit RHEL. For example, systemd was first introduced in Fedora 15 (we are currently at 21). Ample time has been given to discuss, critique, provide feedback and to help shape what ends up in RHEL. If you are running RHEL/CentOS, consider running an instance of Fedora in a VM or testing environment so you get years of warning about new features before they hit RHEL. If you are concerned about what happens to RHEL, get involved: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join. Kal
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 17:01 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:> For the love of Pete! If you use RHEL or CentOS, you'll have a stable, > reliable operating system with bug and security fixes for upward of 10 > years! For free (in the case of CentOS)!Not all updates are currently being supplied for C5 yet it is a current product. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie.