asterisk users - Sep 2003 - Hardware IAX phone (please read and reply!)

Hello all!

I've talked recently to the head of R&D dept. of Telkom Telos 
(www.telos.com.pl) - a big Polish company specialised in making 
phones. I gave them the idea of creating a cheap (cost-effective) 
hardware IP phone. The phone we discussed would include hardware 
support for IAX (though probably SIP/sth. else would be required too 
if it were to hit the market.. what do you think?) and GSM 06.10. 
Although they have no previous experience in IP phones, they were 
quite interested and promised to have a deeper look into the issue. 

So now for the big part: everybody PLEASE give your suggestions about 
what the IP phone of your choice should look/work/... like. The main 
reason we started the talks was the cost of currently available 
phones (even $70+s&h is a truckload of money for a phone here in 
Poland) but any and all suggestions are welcome.

I'd also love to hear from the more hardware-oriented people - do you 
have any suggestions about used chips, controllers, codecs, whatever? 
As I said, although they've been making phones for years, they 
haven't built an IP phone before so they have to research the 
possible elements used. Why not make it easier for them? :)

With Telos being a specialised factory, there's the benefit that e.g. 
good-looking cases are no problem at all, and if low price wasn't the 
goal, touchscreens and all would be an option too - maybe 
some "deluxe" edition?

An alternative design that came up was a bigger (say, 12/24 ports) 
gateway with some embedded Linux running on an industrial PC (as 
beefy as circumstances require - any comments?) with plain RJ11 
sockets on one side and Ethernet on the other. What do you think 
about this?

Hope to hear from you (a lot! :)

 Grzegorz Nosek

If there was a native IAX phone with GSM support and was around $70, I'd
buy a few, and I know several people in my social groups would get them.
I could even make a business case to get them for the office. 

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 02:56, Grzegorz Nosek wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> I've talked recently to the head of R&D dept. of Telkom Telos 
> (www.telos.com.pl) - a big Polish company specialised in making 
> phones. I gave them the idea of creating a cheap (cost-effective) 
> hardware IP phone. The phone we discussed would include hardware 
> support for IAX (though probably SIP/sth. else would be required too 
> if it were to hit the market.. what do you think?) and GSM 06.10. 
> Although they have no previous experience in IP phones, they were 
> quite interested and promised to have a deeper look into the issue. 
> 
> So now for the big part: everybody PLEASE give your suggestions about 
> what the IP phone of your choice should look/work/... like. The main 
> reason we started the talks was the cost of currently available 
> phones (even $70+s&h is a truckload of money for a phone here in 
> Poland) but any and all suggestions are welcome.
> 
> I'd also love to hear from the more hardware-oriented people - do you 
> have any suggestions about used chips, controllers, codecs, whatever? 
> As I said, although they've been making phones for years, they 
> haven't built an IP phone before so they have to research the 
> possible elements used. Why not make it easier for them? :)
> 
> With Telos being a specialised factory, there's the benefit that e.g. 
> good-looking cases are no problem at all, and if low price wasn't the 
> goal, touchscreens and all would be an option too - maybe 
> some "deluxe" edition?
> 
> An alternative design that came up was a bigger (say, 12/24 ports) 
> gateway with some embedded Linux running on an industrial PC (as 
> beefy as circumstances require - any comments?) with plain RJ11 
> sockets on one side and Ethernet on the other. What do you think 
> about this?
> 
> Hope to hear from you (a lot! :)
> 
>  Grzegorz Nosek
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Steven Critchfield <critch@basesys.com>

Sounds like a good idea..

My suggestion on looks and features would be to look at somthing like the
Snom200, features like the ability to connect a standard pc type head set to the
phone a great cost cutting features..

As for codecs I would look and G.711, G.729, GSM, iLBC and Speex.. That way you
have covered both high and low bandwidth, closed source and open source codecs..

Look ate STUN support and possibly uPNP..

As for the rest just stick to the standards for SIP ( and IAX if you decied to
impliment it)..

If the price per phone can be brought down closer to the cost of a standard
analog phone then there will be no reason why VoIP will not take over the
telecomunications of the world..

So I would say in the fisrt instance get a low cost, hight quality, reliable
product created first and if there is a need then look at the "Delux"
products.. Unfortunately the VoIP world is full of "Delux" but not
enough budget products..

It seams that most only think of the global enterprise and not about the worlds
SME's..

Later..
> Hello all!
> 
> I've talked recently to the head of R&D dept. of Telkom Telos 
> (www.telos.com.pl) - a big Polish company specialised in making 
> phones. I gave them the idea of creating a cheap (cost-effective) 
> hardware IP phone. The phone we discussed would include hardware 
> support for IAX (though probably SIP/sth. else would be required too 
> if it were to hit the market.. what do you think?) and GSM 06.10. 
> Although they have no previous experience in IP phones, they were 
> quite interested and promised to have a deeper look into the issue. 
> 
> So now for the big part: everybody PLEASE give your suggestions about 
> what the IP phone of your choice should look/work/... like. The main 
> reason we started the talks was the cost of currently available 
> phones (even $70+s&h is a truckload of money for a phone here in 
> Poland) but any and all suggestions are welcome.
> 
> I'd also love to hear from the more hardware-oriented people - do you 
> have any suggestions about used chips, controllers, codecs, whatever? 
> As I said, although they've been making phones for years, they 
> haven't built an IP phone before so they have to research the 
> possible elements used. Why not make it easier for them? :)
> 
> With Telos being a specialised factory, there's the benefit that e.g. 
> good-looking cases are no problem at all, and if low price wasn't the 
> goal, touchscreens and all would be an option too - maybe 
> some "deluxe" edition?
> 
> An alternative design that came up was a bigger (say, 12/24 ports) 
> gateway with some embedded Linux running on an industrial PC (as 
> beefy as circumstances require - any comments?) with plain RJ11 
> sockets on one side and Ethernet on the other. What do you think 
> about this?
> 
> Hope to hear from you (a lot! :)
> 
>  Grzegorz Nosek
> _______________________________________________
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> Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com
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So that might not be true with analog interfaces ...


regards
Martin

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Steven Poelmans wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have a newbie question about the CDR.
> Does "billable" seconds equal "end time minus the time that
a human actually picks up the phone"?
>
> thanks,
> Steven
>
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