Hi! I have some (short) question about the Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards I want to have (short) answered before buying the DIVA card. I know there are several Eicon guys active on the list, thus I ask on the list instead of directly to Eicon so that all other will benefit as well. 1. Do Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards support TE and NT mode? 2. Can the clock (master/slave) be configured independent from the mode (TE/NT) 3. Is the PIN layout for TE or NT mode? 4. When I change the mode (implies 'YES' for question 1), will this also change the polarity on the connectors or do I have to use a BRI-crossover cable? 5. If a call is bridged from BRI->BRI, is it done directly on the BRI card or via Asterisk 6. Difference between V-4BRI and 4BRI: As far as I understand the 4BRI is the better (more expensive) card which also offers FAX on/offramp. Nevertheless I can use V-4BRI for faxing when using spandsp. Both cards do support onboard echo cancellation. Are this assumptions correct? Usage in Asterisk: please correct me if I'm wrong: - Communication between the DIVA cards and Asterisk always happens via the CAPI interfaces. - For the Asterisk part I have the choice of chan_misdn or chan_capi(-cm). After reading I come to the conclusion that chan_capi(-cm) should work better. - For the hardware part there are also 2 choices. Either use the Eicon drivers included in 2.6 and divactrl or use the source packages from eicon and the tools included. Here I'm not sure which method is better. Further I do not know how this is related with isdn4linux or other linux ISDN stuff. From: http://www.eicon.com/support/helpweb/slnxen/asterisk.asp 1. "Ensure that you do not have the ISDN4Linux driver or the HiSax driver installed." What is the ISDN4Linux driver? Is is something generic in Linux or do they talk about a certain ISDN4Linux driver for Eicon cards? 2. " ...install the isdn4k-utils-devel package...". What is isdn4k ? I'm a little bit confused about what I have to install. Thanks for clarifications regards Klaus
Hello Klaus, I will answer your questions In turn: 1. Do Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards support TE and NT mode? Yes they do. 2. Can the clock (master/slave) be configured independent from the mode (TE/NT) No 3. Is the PIN layout for TE or NT mode? The PIN layout is for TE mode 4. When I change the mode (implies 'YES' for question 1), will this also change the polarity on the connectors or do I have to use a BRI-crossover cable? You would need to use a crossover cable. 5. If a call is bridged from BRI->BRI, is it done directly on the BRI card or via Asterisk It is done on the card. 6. Difference between V-4BRI and 4BRI: As far as I understand the 4BRI is the better (more expensive) card which also offers FAX on/offramp. Nevertheless I can use V-4BRI for faxing when using spandsp. Both cards do support onboard echo cancellation. Are this assumptions correct? The difference between the Diva Server V-Series and the normal Diva Server cards is that you can only use the V-Series for Voice applications. You can not fax with a V-Series card. If you try and fax with a V-Series card you will get an error. Usage in Asterisk: please correct me if I'm wrong: - Communication between the DIVA cards and Asterisk always happens via the CAPI interfaces. - For the Asterisk part I have the choice of chan_misdn or chan_capi(-cm). After reading I come to the conclusion that chan_capi(-cm) should work better. Yes it is best to use chan-capi-cm as this is developed by the people (Melware) who also develop the Eicon CAPI driver. - For the hardware part there are also 2 choices. Either use the Eicon drivers included in 2.6 and divactrl or use the source packages from eicon and the tools included. Here I'm not sure which method is better. Further I do not know how this is related with isdn4linux or other linux ISDN stuff. From: http://www.eicon.com/support/helpweb/slnxen/asterisk.asp -Eicon can only support it's own drivers - therefore if you require support from Eicon, we would always recommend that you use the Drivers from Eicon. 1. "Ensure that you do not have the ISDN4Linux driver or the HiSax driver installed." What is the ISDN4Linux driver? Is is something generic in Linux or do they talk about a certain ISDN4Linux driver for Eicon cards? The ISDN4Linux project was an open source project that allowed you to use the Diva cards. These drivers are not supported by Eicon and we don't have any experience in using them. HiSax is anther open source project for ISDN drivers. 2. " ...install the isdn4k-utils-devel package...". What is isdn4k ? I'm a little bit confused about what I have to install. This is just a package that contains the capi.h file that is needed to compile the chan_capi-cm driver. Thanks for clarifications regards Klaus -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Darilion Sent: 21 April 2006 10:10 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] some EICON Diva 4BRI questions Hi! I have some (short) question about the Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards I want to have (short) answered before buying the DIVA card. I know there are several Eicon guys active on the list, thus I ask on the list instead of directly to Eicon so that all other will benefit as well. 1. Do Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards support TE and NT mode? 2. Can the clock (master/slave) be configured independent from the mode (TE/NT) 3. Is the PIN layout for TE or NT mode? 4. When I change the mode (implies 'YES' for question 1), will this also change the polarity on the connectors or do I have to use a BRI-crossover cable? 5. If a call is bridged from BRI->BRI, is it done directly on the BRI card or via Asterisk 6. Difference between V-4BRI and 4BRI: As far as I understand the 4BRI is the better (more expensive) card which also offers FAX on/offramp. Nevertheless I can use V-4BRI for faxing when using spandsp. Both cards do support onboard echo cancellation. Are this assumptions correct? Usage in Asterisk: please correct me if I'm wrong: - Communication between the DIVA cards and Asterisk always happens via the CAPI interfaces. - For the Asterisk part I have the choice of chan_misdn or chan_capi(-cm). After reading I come to the conclusion that chan_capi(-cm) should work better. - For the hardware part there are also 2 choices. Either use the Eicon drivers included in 2.6 and divactrl or use the source packages from eicon and the tools included. Here I'm not sure which method is better. Further I do not know how this is related with isdn4linux or other linux ISDN stuff. From: http://www.eicon.com/support/helpweb/slnxen/asterisk.asp 1. "Ensure that you do not have the ISDN4Linux driver or the HiSax driver installed." What is the ISDN4Linux driver? Is is something generic in Linux or do they talk about a certain ISDN4Linux driver for Eicon cards? 2. " ...install the isdn4k-utils-devel package...". What is isdn4k ? I'm a little bit confused about what I have to install. Thanks for clarifications regards Klaus _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, Klaus Darilion wrote:> Hi! > > I have some (short) question about the Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards I want to > have (short) answered before buying the DIVA card. I know there are several > Eicon guys active on the list, thus I ask on the list instead of directly to > Eicon so that all other will benefit as well.I try to answer.... ;-)> 1. Do Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards support TE and NT mode?Yes.> 2. Can the clock (master/slave) be configured independent from the mode > (TE/NT)I don't know that one. But I can contact Eicon here.> 3. Is the PIN layout for TE or NT mode?It is TE PIN layout, you need a crossed cable with 100Ohm termination for NT-mode.> 4. When I change the mode (implies 'YES' for question 1), will this also > change the polarity on the connectors or do I have to use a BRI-crossover > cable?See answer on 3., cross cable is needed.> 5. If a call is bridged from BRI->BRI, is it done directly on the BRI card or > via AsteriskYou can configure this in the capi.conf of chan-capi-cm. If you set bridge=yes, then the b-channels will be bridged on the card, not via Asterisk/CPU. This also works between different cards via Bus-Master DMA.> 6. Difference between V-4BRI and 4BRI: As far as I understand the 4BRI is the > better (more expensive) card which also offers FAX on/offramp. Nevertheless I > can use V-4BRI for faxing when using spandsp. Both cards do support onboard > echo cancellation. Are this assumptions correct?Yes.> Usage in Asterisk: please correct me if I'm wrong: > - Communication between the DIVA cards and Asterisk always happens via the > CAPI interfaces.Correct.> - For the Asterisk part I have the choice of chan_misdn or chan_capi(-cm). > After reading I come to the conclusion that chan_capi(-cm) should work better.When using Eicon DIVA Server, you can use chan-capi only. chan-misdn is for passive isdn cards like the DIVA client cards.> - For the hardware part there are also 2 choices. Either use the Eicon drivers > included in 2.6 and divactrl or use the source packages from eicon and the > tools included. Here I'm not sure which method is better. Further I do not > know how this is related with isdn4linux or other linux ISDN stuff. From: > http://www.eicon.com/support/helpweb/slnxen/asterisk.aspThe in-kernel driver in 2.6 is the so called v2 driver from Melware. This driver works very good. But the driver from Eicons sourceRPM (Melware calls it v3) is the newer one with many more features, more supported cards, newer firmware... (like RTP support which is used with newer chan-capi-cm as well).> 1. "Ensure that you do not have the ISDN4Linux driver or the HiSax driver > installed." What is the ISDN4Linux driver? Is is something generic in Linux > or do they talk about a certain ISDN4Linux driver for Eicon cards?ISDN4Linux is the 'old' ISDN core of the Linux kernel. It is still there, but not developed any more. CAPI is used more and more. The HiSax driver as well as older Eicon driver in kernel uses this core. HiSax is the old driver for passive ISDN cards, mISDN is the new one here. With CAPI and Eicon DIVA Server you don't need ISDN4Linux, but it should not harm if installed in parallel, because CAPI can co-exist with it. We (Melware) do provide a special driver where the new Eicon drivers can be used with ISDN4Linux as well. E.g. when you want to use the AT-emulator (ttyI) interfaces of ISDN4Linux with the Eicon DIVA Server cards. But Eicon does provide an own special tty-AT-emulator as well. All these interfaces (CAPI, ISDN4Linux, tty-AT) can be used at the same time if wanted.> 2. " ...install the isdn4k-utils-devel package...". What is isdn4k ? > I'm a little bit confused about what I have to install.The isdn4k-utils (isdn for kernel utilities) contain the CAPI library (libcapi20) which is needed for chan-capi to compile/use. That is the reason for that package. Just make sure that you have the libcapi20.* and the header files of it (some distributions provide the header files via a special -devel package only). Since I have created a special version of that libcapi20 to support remote-CAPI via TCP (ISDN Hardware in one maschine, Application in another), Melware will provide more packages via chan-capi.org / melware.org soon. If you have further questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Armin -- Cytronics & Melware
Hello Klaus, Normally, Diva Server adapters are operated as terminal equipment. In this case, they derive their timing from the signal received from the NT, for example PSTN or PBX, and use this derived timing to synchronize their transmitted signal. If you use the Diva Server adapter as network termination, it generates the timing from which the terminal equipment derives its timing and synchronization. Thus TE=Slave And NT=Master I haven't tried spandsp and a V-Series card as the card was not designed for fax applications. As a result it has never been tested. If you want to fax with the card then we would recommend a normal Diva Server card. It would probably work in a pass through scenario as just audio is being relayed by the card. However, I have not tested this and could not comment if this will work with a V-BRI card. Bascially if you are looking to do pure voice, then use a V-Series card. If you want to do anything more than voice, then use a normal Diva Server card. Kind regards David -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Darilion Sent: 21 April 2006 11:04 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] some EICON Diva 4BRI questions On Fri, April 21, 2006 11:45, David Waugh said:> Hello Klaus, > > I will answer your questions In turn: > > 1. Do Eicon DIVA (V-)4BRI cards support TE and NT mode? > Yes they do. > > 2. Can the clock (master/slave) be configured independent from themode> (TE/NT) > NoThus, what is the limitation? TE = slave ????? NT = master ?????> 6. Difference between V-4BRI and 4BRI: As far as I understand the 4BRI > is the better (more expensive) card which also offers FAX on/offramp. > Nevertheless I can use V-4BRI for faxing when using spandsp. Bothcards> do support onboard echo cancellation. Are this assumptions correct? > > The difference between the Diva Server V-Series and the normal Diva > Server cards is that you can only use the V-Series for Voice > applications. You can not fax with a V-Series card. If you try and fax > with a V-Series card you will get an error.Using spandsp and V-4BRI does not work? What about a pass-through scenario: PSTN <-2xBRI-> Asterisk <-2xBRI-> oldPBX Does Asterisk with the V-4BRI allows to pass through fax calls (or other data calls) from the PSTN to the old PBX?> 2. " ...install the isdn4k-utils-devel package...". What is isdn4k ? > I'm a little bit confused about what I have to install. > > This is just a package that contains the capi.h file that is needed to > compile the chan_capi-cm driver.btw: libcapi20-dev on debian ;-) regards klaus _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Jumpers must still be on for E1 mode. Rob On 21/04/06, Remco Barende <asterisk@barendse.to> wrote:> > > Hello, > > > > I am currently running asterisk 1.2.5, and i have a TDM TE205P, i have > my > > jumper set (i.e closed to use the E1 facility.) > > Does the TE205P use jumpers for T1 / E1 setting? I thought jumpers were > completely obsolete now? > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20060421/0db45ee4/attachment.htm
Weird, I just received a new TE210P card (should be identical only 3.3v) but I cannot find any info on jumper settings om the Digium site? But then again the installation info on the Digium site really sucks..... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, Rob Lith wrote:> Jumpers must still be on for E1 mode. > Rob > > On 21/04/06, Remco Barende <asterisk@barendse.to> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am currently running asterisk 1.2.5, and i have a TDM TE205P, i have >> my >>> jumper set (i.e closed to use the E1 facility.) >> >> Does the TE205P use jumpers for T1 / E1 setting? I thought jumpers were >> completely obsolete now? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >> >> Asterisk-Users mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> >
Hi Klaus, Please see the following document. [Diva Server Adapter Installation Guide] http://www.eicon.com/pubs/20319511.pdf Page 24 (back-to-back cable pin layout for BRI interface) David -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Darilion Sent: 28 April 2006 08:49 To: Armin Schindler Cc: developers@melware.de; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] some EICON Diva 4BRI questions Back to ISDN BRI crossover cable. After reading some ISDN specs I came to the conclusion a crossover cable should be: 3---4 4---3 5---6 6---5 But I also found other pin layouts (e.g. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/788/signalling/bri_voice_port_cfg.html) Armin, how do you construct your BRI crossover cables? thanks Klaus _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Hi David! Thanks for the link. Interesting - it suggests to terminate the bus only on the receiving side - things getting complicated :-) regards klaus David Waugh wrote:> Hi Klaus, > > Please see the following document. > [Diva Server Adapter Installation Guide] > http://www.eicon.com/pubs/20319511.pdf > Page 24 (back-to-back cable pin layout for BRI interface) > > David > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Klaus > Darilion > Sent: 28 April 2006 08:49 > To: Armin Schindler > Cc: developers@melware.de; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] some EICON Diva 4BRI questions > > Back to ISDN BRI crossover cable. After reading some ISDN specs I came > to the conclusion a crossover cable should be: > 3---4 > 4---3 > 5---6 > 6---5 > > But I also found other pin layouts (e.g. > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/788/signalling/bri_voice_port_cfg.html) > > Armin, how do you construct your BRI crossover cables? > > thanks > Klaus > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users