Xen users - Jun 2007 - Is HP server hardware incompatible with Xen?

Hi,

We''ve been using xen with pc clones for some time now.
But now the boss wants to get serious and start using real servers.
We''ve been looking at HP.

I got in touch with a couple of distributors for prices and much to my
suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner that Xen does not run on HP
hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)

He continued to tell me that he could offer me a special deal installing vmware.
This feels like FUD.
I would like to know your opinions/experiences.

Thanks.
Chris.

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Chris,

I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.

The only issue is that I cannot use the LOM serial console due to what Xen
does with serial ports.

Otherwise, no issues.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:20AM +0200, Chris Fanning
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We''ve been using xen with pc clones for some time now.
> But now the boss wants to get serious and start using real servers.
> We''ve been looking at HP.
> 
> I got in touch with a couple of distributors for prices and much to my
> suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner that Xen does not run on
HP
> hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)
> 
> He continued to tell me that he could offer me a special deal installing 
> vmware.
> This feels like FUD.
> I would like to know your opinions/experiences.
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris.
> 
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Hi,
> I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
I need a stand alone chasis. :(

I''ve read this
http://hcl.xensource.com/?showall=no&subtab=systems

Does anyone know if it is up to date?

Is it really such a task to find xen compatible machines?

Thanks again.
Chris.

On 6/19/07, Matt Okeson-Harlow <matt@technomage.net>
wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
>
> The only issue is that I cannot use the LOM serial console due to what Xen
> does with serial ports.
>
> Otherwise, no issues.
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:20AM +0200, Chris Fanning wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > We''ve been using xen with pc clones for some time now.
> > But now the boss wants to get serious and start using real servers.
> > We''ve been looking at HP.
> >
> > I got in touch with a couple of distributors for prices and much to my
> > suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner that Xen does not
run on HP
> > hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)
> >
> > He continued to tell me that he could offer me a special deal
installing
> > vmware.
> > This feels like FUD.
> > I would like to know your opinions/experiences.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Chris.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xen-users mailing list
> > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
>
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Why would a machine that can run linux, not run Xen?
(Unless you are looking for Hardware Virtualization that is.)

On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:53:34PM +0200, Chris Fanning
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> I need a stand alone chasis. :(
> 
> I''ve read this
> http://hcl.xensource.com/?showall=no&subtab=systems
> 
> Does anyone know if it is up to date?
> 
> Is it really such a task to find xen compatible machines?
> 
> Thanks again.
> Chris.
> 
> On 6/19/07, Matt Okeson-Harlow <matt@technomage.net> wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> >
> >The only issue is that I cannot use the LOM serial console due to what
Xen
> >does with serial ports.
> >
> >Otherwise, no issues.
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:20AM +0200, Chris Fanning wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We''ve been using xen with pc clones for some time now.
> >> But now the boss wants to get serious and start using real
servers.
> >> We''ve been looking at HP.
> >>
> >> I got in touch with a couple of distributors for prices and much
to my
> >> suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner that Xen does
not run on HP
> >> hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)
> >>
> >> He continued to tell me that he could offer me a special deal
installing
> >> vmware.
> >> This feels like FUD.
> >> I would like to know your opinions/experiences.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> Chris.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Xen-users mailing list
> >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> >
> >--
> >Matt Okeson-Harlow
> >Sen gutoj malgrandaj maro ne ekzistus
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com 
> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Okeson-Harlow
> Sent: 19 June 2007 12:03
> To: Chris Fanning
> Cc: Matt Okeson-Harlow; xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Is HP server hardware incompatible with Xen?
> 
> Why would a machine that can run linux, not run Xen?
> (Unless you are looking for Hardware Virtualization that is.)
Generally, I would agree with that. I''m sure there are some exceptions.

It''s also depending a lot on what you mean by "compatible"
(or
"incompatible"). Does compatible mean that "there are no reason
why it
wouldn''t run, but no-one has tested it" or "It''s
been tested by a
verifiable source". The latter case is what''s listed on the link
given
by Chris. That doesn''t mean that OTHER systems won''t run Xen
without
problems. That some machine ISN''T listed doesn''t mean that
it''s not
compatible by the former meaning (although it is POSSIBLE that it''s not
listed because it failed - most companies don''t want to get in trouble
by listing "non-working" solutions in a "name and shame"
fashion!). Just
that it''s not compatible by the latter meaning... 

I''m pretty sure that the list given is simply based on what has been
submitted to XenSource for testing, or that has been tested specifically
by the manufacturer. 

Note also that XenEnterprise 3.1 (which is based on a Xen 3.0.x
hypervisor) has been tested on the previously mentioned DL145 machine,
so I don''t see any reason why the open-source version
shouldn''t run on
this machine, regardless of what HP claims. 

--
Mats
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:53:34PM +0200, Chris Fanning wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> > I need a stand alone chasis. :(
> > 
> > I''ve read this
> > http://hcl.xensource.com/?showall=no&subtab=systems
> > 
> > Does anyone know if it is up to date?
> > 
> > Is it really such a task to find xen compatible machines?
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > Chris.
> > 
> > On 6/19/07, Matt Okeson-Harlow <matt@technomage.net> wrote:
> > >Chris,
> > >
> > >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> > >
> > >The only issue is that I cannot use the LOM serial console 
> due to what Xen
> > >does with serial ports.
> > >
> > >Otherwise, no issues.
> > >
> > >On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:20AM +0200, Chris Fanning wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> We''ve been using xen with pc clones for some time
now.
> > >> But now the boss wants to get serious and start using 
> real servers.
> > >> We''ve been looking at HP.
> > >>
> > >> I got in touch with a couple of distributors for prices 
> and much to my
> > >> suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner that Xen
does
> not run on HP
> > >> hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)
> > >>
> > >> He continued to tell me that he could offer me a special 
> deal installing
> > >> vmware.
> > >> This feels like FUD.
> > >> I would like to know your opinions/experiences.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Chris.
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Xen-users mailing list
> > >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> > >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> > >
> > >--
> > >Matt Okeson-Harlow
> > >Sen gutoj malgrandaj maro ne ekzistus
> > >
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Hi,

On 6/19/07, Petersson, Mats <Mats.Petersson@amd.com>
wrote:
>
> > Why would a machine that can run linux, not run Xen?
> > (Unless you are looking for Hardware Virtualization that is.)
>
> Generally, I would agree with that. I''m sure there are some
exceptions.
>
> It''s also depending a lot on what you mean by
"compatible" (or
> "incompatible"). Does compatible mean that "there are no
reason why it
> wouldn''t run, but no-one has tested it" or
"It''s been tested by a
> verifiable source". The latter case is what''s listed on the
link given
> by Chris. That doesn''t mean that OTHER systems won''t run
Xen without
> problems. That some machine ISN''T listed doesn''t mean
that it''s not
> compatible by the former meaning (although it is POSSIBLE that
it''s not
> listed because it failed - most companies don''t want to get in
trouble
> by listing "non-working" solutions in a "name and
shame" fashion!). Just
> that it''s not compatible by the latter meaning...
>
> I''m pretty sure that the list given is simply based on what has
been
> submitted to XenSource for testing, or that has been tested specifically
> by the manufacturer.
I''d agree with that.
>
> Note also that XenEnterprise 3.1 (which is based on a Xen 3.0.x
> hypervisor) has been tested on the previously mentioned DL145 machine,
> so I don''t see any reason why the open-source version
shouldn''t run on
> this machine, regardless of what HP claims.
>
Well, I am actually looking for confirmation on a ProLiant ML150 G3
machine, not the DL145.

I just don''t want to buy the machine to find out that there''s
some
problem that stops me from using it for it''s intended purpose.

Thanks.
Chris.
> --
> Mats
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:53:34PM +0200, Chris Fanning wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> > > I need a stand alone chasis. :(
> > >
> > > I''ve read this
> > > http://hcl.xensource.com/?showall=no&subtab=systems
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if it is up to date?
> > >
> > > Is it really such a task to find xen compatible machines?
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > > Chris.
> > >
> > > On 6/19/07, Matt Okeson-Harlow <matt@technomage.net> wrote:
> > > >Chris,
> > > >
> > > >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> > > >
> > > >The only issue is that I cannot use the LOM serial console
> > due to what Xen
> > > >does with serial ports.
> > > >
> > > >Otherwise, no issues.
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:20AM +0200, Chris Fanning
wrote:
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> We''ve been using xen with pc clones for some
time now.
> > > >> But now the boss wants to get serious and start using
> > real servers.
> > > >> We''ve been looking at HP.
> > > >>
> > > >> I got in touch with a couple of distributors for prices
> > and much to my
> > > >> suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner that
Xen does
> > not run on HP
> > > >> hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)
> > > >>
> > > >> He continued to tell me that he could offer me a special
> > deal installing
> > > >> vmware.
> > > >> This feels like FUD.
> > > >> I would like to know your opinions/experiences.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >> Chris.
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Xen-users mailing list
> > > >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> > > >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Matt Okeson-Harlow
> > > >Sen gutoj malgrandaj maro ne ekzistus
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> >
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Fanning [mailto:christopher.fanning@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 19 June 2007 12:25
> To: Petersson, Mats
> Cc: Matt Okeson-Harlow; xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Is HP server hardware incompatible with Xen?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 6/19/07, Petersson, Mats <Mats.Petersson@amd.com> wrote:
> >
> 
> > > Why would a machine that can run linux, not run Xen?
> > > (Unless you are looking for Hardware Virtualization that is.)
> >
> > Generally, I would agree with that. I''m sure there are some 
> exceptions.
> >
> > It''s also depending a lot on what you mean by
"compatible" (or
> > "incompatible"). Does compatible mean that "there are
no
> reason why it
> > wouldn''t run, but no-one has tested it" or
"It''s been tested by a
> > verifiable source". The latter case is what''s listed on
the
> link given
> > by Chris. That doesn''t mean that OTHER systems won''t
run Xen without
> > problems. That some machine ISN''T listed doesn''t
mean that it''s not
> > compatible by the former meaning (although it is POSSIBLE 
> that it''s not
> > listed because it failed - most companies don''t want to get 
> in trouble
> > by listing "non-working" solutions in a "name and
shame"
> fashion!). Just
> > that it''s not compatible by the latter meaning...
> >
> > I''m pretty sure that the list given is simply based on what
has been
> > submitted to XenSource for testing, or that has been tested 
> specifically
> > by the manufacturer.
> 
> I''d agree with that.
> >
> > Note also that XenEnterprise 3.1 (which is based on a Xen 3.0.x
> > hypervisor) has been tested on the previously mentioned 
> DL145 machine,
> > so I don''t see any reason why the open-source version 
> shouldn''t run on
> > this machine, regardless of what HP claims.
> >
> 
> Well, I am actually looking for confirmation on a ProLiant ML150 G3
> machine, not the DL145.
Ah, sorry, my mistake... 
> 
> I just don''t want to buy the machine to find out that
there''s some
> problem that stops me from using it for it''s intended purpose.
Aside from my personal objection that it''s got Intel processor, I
don''t
see anything in the specs that says "this won''t run Xen". 

It supports RedHat and SuSE Linux versions, so that''s saying to me that
it should work fine with Xen. It is VERY rare that a machine that can
run Linux can''t run Xen - it does happen, but I wouldn''t think
it''s
likely in this case [it''s usually on some pretty crappy motherboards
that have poor BIOS support for Linux-only BIOS calls]. I''d say
there''s
99% chance that this machine is fine. 

--
Mats
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris.
> 
> > --
> > Mats
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:53:34PM +0200, Chris Fanning wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> > > > I need a stand alone chasis. :(
> > > >
> > > > I''ve read this
> > > > http://hcl.xensource.com/?showall=no&subtab=systems
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know if it is up to date?
> > > >
> > > > Is it really such a task to find xen compatible machines?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > > Chris.
> > > >
> > > > On 6/19/07, Matt Okeson-Harlow <matt@technomage.net>
wrote:
> > > > >Chris,
> > > > >
> > > > >I have Xen running on an HP DL 145 G2 just fine.
> > > > >
> > > > >The only issue is that I cannot use the LOM serial
console
> > > due to what Xen
> > > > >does with serial ports.
> > > > >
> > > > >Otherwise, no issues.
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:20AM +0200, Chris Fanning
wrote:
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We''ve been using xen with pc clones for
some time now.
> > > > >> But now the boss wants to get serious and start
using
> > > real servers.
> > > > >> We''ve been looking at HP.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I got in touch with a couple of distributors for
prices
> > > and much to my
> > > > >> suprise, I''ve been told by one HP Partner
that Xen does
> > > not run on HP
> > > > >> hardware. (a ProLiant ML 150)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> He continued to tell me that he could offer me a
special
> > > deal installing
> > > > >> vmware.
> > > > >> This feels like FUD.
> > > > >> I would like to know your opinions/experiences.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks.
> > > > >> Chris.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> Xen-users mailing list
> > > > >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> > > > >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >Matt Okeson-Harlow
> > > > >Sen gutoj malgrandaj maro ne ekzistus
> > > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
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hi,

Considering my (very) recent experience (HP nx9420 notebook) I''d double
check that every HW feature is actually available ! I mean, the said 
laptop (and others) was once sold with VT disabled and some had to wait 
for months before HP had released a BIOS update allowing to activate 
this feature... fair isn''t it ?

So, as too often in the field, there''s what''s advertised by
fashioned
marketing... and what Joe User has to face once he opens the brown box!

Bests
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com 
> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jérémie Tarot
> Sent: 19 June 2007 13:01
> To: xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Is HP server hardware incompatible with Xen?
> 
> hi,
> 
> Considering my (very) recent experience (HP nx9420 notebook) 
> I''d double 
> check that every HW feature is actually available ! I mean, the said 
> laptop (and others) was once sold with VT disabled and some 
> had to wait 
> for months before HP had released a BIOS update allowing to activate 
> this feature... fair isn''t it ?
Laptops are quite a different matter than servers, since they often have very
special hardware inside them.

I agree that anything you rely on should be checked that it''s actually
available at the time of purchase, of course.

--
Mats
> 
> So, as too often in the field, there''s what''s advertised
by fashioned
> marketing... and what Joe User has to face once he opens the 
> brown box!
> 
> Bests
> JT
> 
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Hi,
> I''d say there''s 99% chance that this machine is fine.
I''ve just got confirmation for a xen user that the ML150 G3 does work.
Thanks.

Chris.

On 6/19/07, Jérémie Tarot <jeremie.tarot@free.fr>
wrote:
> hi,
>
> Considering my (very) recent experience (HP nx9420 notebook) I''d
double
> check that every HW feature is actually available ! I mean, the said
> laptop (and others) was once sold with VT disabled and some had to wait
> for months before HP had released a BIOS update allowing to activate
> this feature... fair isn''t it ?
>
> So, as too often in the field, there''s what''s advertised
by fashioned
> marketing... and what Joe User has to face once he opens the brown box!
>
> Bests
> JT
>
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