hi there, I suppose, it's not an actual WINE problem, but I hope, you can at least tell me, where to get help. I'm running "Lineage 2" with WINE 1.3.10 on Kubuntu 10.10 with proprietary ATI graphics-driver. after a (seemingly) random period of time, the entire system freezes. the only thing possible is moving the mouse-cursor, which doesn't change it's style anymore, when I move it out of the game-window. I then have to hard-reboot my system, as nothing responds anymore. I have no idea what causes the freeze, and since the entire system freezes, there's no way I can obtain a debugging-log, or is there? greetings, snejjj
Hi!> hi there, > > I suppose, it's not an actual WINE problem, but I hope, you can at least tell me, where to get help. > > I'm running "Lineage 2" with WINE 1.3.10 on Kubuntu 10.10 with proprietary ATI graphics-driver. > after a (seemingly) random period of time, the entire system freezes. the only thing possible is moving the mouse-cursor, which doesn't change it's style anymore, when I move it out of the game-window. > I then have to hard-reboot my system, as nothing responds anymore.I think it may be a graphic card driver problem - it runs on a kernel (system) level, so it can do a full range of harm to the system, including system freezes.> > I have no idea what causes the freeze, and since the entire system freezes, there's no way I can obtain a debugging-log, or is there?Is your machine connected to the net ? It's possible that only the system "head" (monitor/keyboard) is frozen and that the rest of the system is alive. You can try to ping the system and eventually use ssh to log in remotely. Maybe you can unfreeze it too, for example by killing/restarting the X server. You can also collect all kinds of debugging information remotely.> > greetings, > snejjj >With regards, Pavel.
On 2011-01-08 (January, Saturday) 12:06:29 snejjj wrote:> I suppose, it's not an actual WINE problemOf course it isn't. In any UNIX system it is impossible for an userland application ran by an ordinary user (not root) to crash your system.> I'm running "Lineage 2" with WINE 1.3.10 on Kubuntu 10.10 with proprietary > ATI graphics-driver.Here is the answer. If you want to play 3D games or use 3D applications, upgrade to NVidia card and use NVidia proprietary driver. ATI drivers are very buggy and may crash X or whole system when running 3D game or application; sometimes ATI drivers do not crash but you can see missing textures or other artifacts in you 3D game/application. Some 3D games/applications may work fine with ATI driver but only if you are lucky. Sorry if this is not an answer you wanted but this is just the way it is.> after a (seemingly) random period of time, the entire > system freezes. the only thing possible is moving the mouse-cursor, which > doesn't change it's style anymore, when I move it out of the game-window. > I then have to hard-reboot my system, as nothing responds anymore.If cursor is still moving, then your system probably didn't freeze. You can try Ctrl+Alt+Backspace first to restart X. If this does not help, try Alt+SysRq+K (SysRq key sometimes labeled as "Print" or "PrtScr" or "Print Screen" on a keyboard, and usually located near scroll-lock key). If the kernel still alive and you have SysRq keys enabled in it, it will kill your "frozen" X server.
I am having a very similar issue. In most cases, the system becomes unfrozen. Sometimes (such as last night when I was fighting a boss on WoW) it can freeze for 4 minutes before it returns the system back to my control. All apps will gray itself out and not be responsive. Mouse is still under my control. I have an nVidia 8800GT with the latest proprietary drivers (173). In my case, I have been thinking it is a SATA controller issue. But I will update when I get my new board and CPU.
snejjj <wineforum-user at winehq.org> wrote:> >okay, thank you for your answers! > > I'll try to restart X and get a debugging-read as soon as I get to play again. >You can start X in debugging mode, but be prepared for a rather large file.>the mentioned "artifacts" I have also already encountered in other games... > >As soon as I have the money, I'll upgrade to a nVidia then... >This may be a good idea. I've not been following this thread, but some of the nVidia cards should also be avoided. Search the forums for ideas on what card to purchase. James McKenzie