i'm trying to install wine on my recently installed ubuntu 8.10, which i installed using wubi-installer to install it on top of my Vista OS, but it wont work! :? the first time i tried it, i did it the first method, i.e. adding the repositories in Software Sources, and then ATTEMPTING to download and save Scott Richie's key to my desktop by clicking on that link on the download page...but it just opened up in a web page, and i couldn't figure out how to download it using that method! next i tried the command line instructions, following it all the way up to the "T", and that time i managed to get Scott Richie's key in Software Sources, but when i tried to install Wine afterwards, by clicking the install link on the download page, but i got some kind of error! i thought i might be able to go around it, using the Add/Remove feature in ubuntu, but it still wouldn't work! i even tried synaptic, but still obtained an error, saying it had failed to install! [Rolling Eyes] Does anyone know what could be the problem, or if wine can even install on such a setup, i.e. ubuntu being installed on top of Vista, using wubi-installer????? Thanks to all honest replies! :(
Yes, Wine can be installed on top of Wubi. What errors are you getting? Take a screenshot if you have to. Vincent Povirk
jammanuser wrote:> i'm trying to install wine on my recently installed ubuntu 8.10, which i installed using wubi-installer to install it on top of my Vista OSWine does not support Wubi installs. You have to use real Linux file system.
Vincent Povirk wrote:> vitamin: Where is the documentation of this? What, specifically, are > the filesystem limitations in Wubi that make Wine not function > properly, and how can you observe them in a real app? > > This should be on the download page and in the FAQ. > > The only specific filesystem-related issue I know of is that Steam > does not run from ntfs, and 8.10 should have a new enough kernel that > it shouldn't matter (according to the note on the appdb page, and > assuming the same issue affects Wubi somehow).My understanding of Wubi was that it's using NTFS directly. If it creates ext3 out of a loopback device then it should work fine. Of course same restrictions apply to running applications directly from windows partition no matter Wubi or not : http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-497f1a295d53dd3444f211df2b13312c7767afa2 jammanuser, since you having problems installing Wine - you are asking in the wrong place. It's the problem with your OS, package manager or Wine binary package. Neither of those covered on this forum.
jammanuser <wineforum-user at winehq.org> at Nov 25, 2008 10:02 AM (MST) wrote about Re: What's the problem with my wine install?> > >vitamin wrote: >> >> jammanuser wrote: >> > >> > > Wine is not designed to interact with an existing Windows installation. >> > > >> > > WARNING: Do not try to configure Wine to point to your actual Windows C:\ drive. >> > >> > >> > if so, then i don't think that that can be used to claim that wine doesn't work on ntfs file system >> >> I'm not sure what you trying to say? The above warning applies to real windows' c: drive regardless of the file system. > > >exactly!!! the warning does not even mention the file system, so that's why i don't understand why >u would use a statement like that to back up a claim that Wine does not work on NTFS file >system!!!Simple. Wine developed and configured for Linux will not work with NTFS for a varity of reasons. What this means is that you CANNOT install Wine on a NTFS partition and expect it to work. You MUST install it to a LINUX EXT3 partition. Now, here is the problem as I see it: Wubi actually creates an ext3 partition as a hidden file on your NTFS partition. Wine will install to the ext3 parition, but you will not be able to WRITE to the NTFS partition. You must install all applications to the pseudo-C: partition that Wine creates in order to run them. Sorry, but that is the way that this works, for now. Do not blame Wine as the problem appears to be the way that the NTFS Linux drivers work. Also, it is true that you SHOULD not map your existing C: drive to be the C: drive under Wine, it will not work. HOWEVER, after you install your applications to Wine you MAY attempt to map your Vista C:\Program Files directory to another drive letter, but this is not warrantied to work or do anything other than mess up your Wine installation. So, what do you do: 1. Install Wine to your Linux partition. 2. Install all the applications you want to use to Wine's C:\Program Files directory which exists on the Linux partition. 3. Run your applications from Wine's C:\ directory. Linux has problems executing programs from a NTFS partition, even Linux applications. 4. Save data as applicable. (Isn't this in the FAQ?) James McKenzie
James Mckenzie wrote:> jammanuser <wineforum-user at winehq.org> at Nov 25, 2008 10:02 AM (MST) wrote about Re: What's the problem with my wine install? > > > > > > > vitamin wrote: > > > > > > > > jammanuser wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wine is not designed to interact with an existing Windows installation. > > > > > > > > > > WARNING: Do not try to configure Wine to point to your actual Windows C:\ drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if so, then i don't think that that can be used to claim that wine doesn't work on ntfs file system > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what you trying to say? The above warning applies to real windows' c: drive regardless of the file system. > > > > > > > > > exactly!!! the warning does not even mention the file system, so that's why i don't understand why >u would use a statement like that to back up a claim that Wine does not work on NTFS file >system!!! > > > > Simple. Wine developed and configured for Linux will not work with NTFS for a varity of reasons. What this means is that you CANNOT install Wine on a NTFS partition and expect it to work. You MUST install it to a LINUX EXT3 partition. Now, here is the problem as I see it: Wubi actually creates an ext3 partition as a hidden file on your NTFS partition. Wine will install to the ext3 parition, but you will not be able to WRITE to the NTFS partition. You must install all applications to the pseudo-C: partition that Wine creates in order to run them. Sorry, but that is the way that this works, for now. Do not blame Wine as the problem appears to be the way that the NTFS Linux drivers work. Also, it is true that you SHOULD not map your existing C: drive to be the C: drive under Wine, it will not work. HOWEVER, after you install your applications to Wine you MAY attempt to map your Vista C:\Program Files directory to another drive letter, but this is not warrantied to work or do anything other than mess up your Wine installation. So, what do you do: > 1. Install Wine to your Linux partition. > 2. Install all the applications you want to use to Wine's C:\Program Files directory which exists on the Linux partition. > 3. Run your applications from Wine's C:\ directory. Linux has problems executing programs from a NTFS partition, even Linux applications. > 4. Save data as applicable. > > (Isn't this in the FAQ?) > > James McKenzieso what ur saying basically, then, is that Wine DOES work on a wubi install, since it creates an ext3 partition, on which wine would be installed??? only when i install apps, i should install them on the hidden ext3 partition, rather than the NTFS, or my programs wont work? well...that makes sense!! why would i try to install them on the NTFS partition anyway, since i would be in ubuntu when installing them under Wine, which would probably put them automatically in the ext3 partition???
jammanuser <wineforum-user at winehq.org> at Nov 25, 2008 12:10 PM (MST) wrote about [Wine] Re: What's the problem with my wine install?> > >James Mckenzie wrote: >> jammanuser <wineforum-user at winehq.org> at Nov 25, 2008 10:02 AM (MST) wrote about Re: What's the problem with my wine install?[Trimmed content to what is needed for reply]>> So, what do you do: >> 1. Install Wine to your Linux partition. >> 2. Install all the applications you want to use to Wine's C:\Program Files directory which exists on the Linux partition. >> 3. Run your applications from Wine's C:\ directory. Linux has problems executing programs from a NTFS partition, even Linux applications. >> 4. Save data as applicable. >> >> (Isn't this in the FAQ?) >> >> James McKenzie > > >so what ur saying basically, then, is that Wine DOES work on a wubi install, since it creates an >ext3 partition, on which wine would be installed???It should. That was stated a long time ago. Vitamin may have assumed that you were trying to install to the NTFS partition and not the EXT3 parition.>only when i install apps, i should install them on the hidden ext3 partition, rather than the NTFS, >or my programs wont work? well...that makes sense!! why would i try to install them on the NTFS >partition anyway, since i would be in ubuntu when installing them under Wine, which would probably >put them automatically in the ext3 partition??? >I make no assumptions. Insure that programs are installed to Wine's C:\Program Files area when installing. I've read here of people having problems with installing programs and the cause was installation to a NTFS partition. You should be fine at this point. Try what others and I suggested and let us know if it works. James McKenzie
[/quote]It should. That was stated a long time ago. Vitamin may have assumed that you were trying to install to the NTFS partition and not the EXT3 parition.[/quote] ok...cool!!! but i was in ubuntu when trying to install wine, so i imagine it would have installed to the ext3 partition, rather than the NTFS, but i don't know that for a fact! so i don't understand why wine wouldn't install then to my ext3 partition...> only when i install apps, i should install them on the hidden ext3 partition, rather than the NTFS, >or my programs wont work? well...that makes sense!! why would i try to install them on the NTFS >partition anyway, since i would be in ubuntu when installing them under Wine, which would probably >put them automatically in the ext3 partition??? > >I make no assumptions. Insure that programs are installed to Wine's C:\Program Files area when installing. I've read here of people having problems with installing programs and the cause was installation to a NTFS partition. You should be fine at this point. Try what others and I suggested and let us know if it works. James McKenzie[/quote] all right! i'll try it...whenever, that is, i can boot into my ubuntu OS again! :x THANKS! here's the ubuntu forum thread, where i posted my problem with booting into ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=992506