I've just Replaygained several of my Vorbis albums with Vorbisgain, ranging from 80's metal to present day soft rock. What I don't understand is why does Vorbisgain actually make all tracks QUIETER? I see an average of -7db on most albums. And after that, not only are they substantially quieter than my MP3s (which is a pain), but it also fails to really "even out" the volume. I understand that a 1984 metal album is naturally going to be quieter than 1995 punk rock, but I was expecting at least a little change through Vorbisgain. Does anyone who uses VG actually get much out of using it? -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I noticed the same thing. I've run vorbisgain through all the oggs I've made lately, but since they all sound much softer, I told the winamp plugin to ignore the vorbisgain settings altogether. <p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Try adding some Preamp (IN_VORBIS.DLL option) until the volume is roughly equivalent to your MP3s. Ross. Alex Iribarren wrote:> I noticed the same thing. I've run vorbisgain through all the > oggs I've made lately, but since they all sound much softer, > I told the winamp plugin to > ignore the vorbisgain settings altogether.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Sun, 2002-06-23 at 11:09, Phaedras@gmx.net wrote:> I've just Replaygained several of my Vorbis albums with Vorbisgain, ranging > from 80's metal to present day soft rock. What I don't understand is why does > Vorbisgain actually make all tracks QUIETER?Please refer to this part of the Replay Gain FAQ for the answer: http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~djmrob/replaygain/faq_quiet.html You can find out more about Replay Gain at: http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~djmrob/replaygain/index.html If you really want to, you can make the tracks louder by turning on: Enable 6 db Boost + Hard Limiting in the XMMS Ogg Vorbis input plugin. Charles -- ..you could spend *all day* customizing the title bar. Believe me. I speak from experience." (By Matt Welsh) <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
At 17:09 23-06-02 +0200, you wrote:>I've just Replaygained several of my Vorbis albums with Vorbisgain, ranging > >from 80's metal to present day soft rock. What I don't understand is why > does >Vorbisgain actually make all tracks QUIETER? I see an average of -7db on >most albums. And after that, not only are they substantially quieter than my >MP3s (which is a pain), but it also fails to really "even out" the volume. I >understand that a 1984 metal album is naturally going to be quieter than 1995 >punk rock, but I was expecting at least a little change through Vorbisgain. > >Does anyone who uses VG actually get much out of using it?(Windows user here) Sure do. Use Vorbisgain for my oggs, MP#gain for my Mp3's and sometimes Mathias' DSP-Replaygain-plugin for winamp (when my ancient comp isn't too burdened by other tasks) In my experience it works perfectly. It need to lower the general overall RMS volume in order to allow the dynamic range from (usually older) better recordings than newer compressed recordings to be preserved. It's explained in detail on http://www.replaygain.org Both my mp3, ogg and mpc files have an (almost) uniform playback level when using radiogain and it makes for quite a pleasant listening experience. Yes, the general volume level is lower, but that can be changed by raising the volume. And since the files have the same playback level I have no songs suddenly blasting out at different level than others. <p>Kind regards, Peter. Adress is not munged. <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:09, Phaedras@gmx.net wrote:> I've just Replaygained several of my Vorbis albums with Vorbisgain, ranging > from 80's metal to present day soft rock. What I don't understand is why > does Vorbisgain actually make all tracks QUIETER?The reason why it tends to adjust down rather than up: http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~djmrob/replaygain/faq_quiet.html Have a look around the rest of the site, too. I found the specification remarkably easy to read, even with my limited understanding of the math and physics involved.> I see an average of -7db > on most albums. And after that, not only are they substantially quieter > than my MP3s (which is a pain), but it also fails to really "even out" the > volume. I understand that a 1984 metal album is naturally going to be > quieter than 1995 punk rock, but I was expecting at least a little change > through Vorbisgain.In xmms, you can set it to add 6db of preamp readjust. This is a good option if you're mainly listening to rock (rather than soundtracks, 'classical', etc) and you're listening to mp3s without any adjustment.> Does anyone who uses VG actually get much out of using it?I use it, but the majority of music I listen to uses it, so I don't have the wild volume swings between the adjusted tracks and mp3s or the like. It's a huge win when DJing - I've seen several cheap amps melt down because someone cranked the volume to bring it up for an 80's track that was eventually followed by some new rock. John --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.