Whatever became of Ogg Theora? There seems to be still almost no news from Xiph or its developers regarding Ogg Theora. None at all since Mid-December, when the release of Alpha 2 was pushed back to a month ago... No news on plans for the second Alpha? No news of development "roadmaps"? No news on current developments or challenges that are stalling development? No CVS updates related to Theora since the Alpha 1 release? I get the impression that Ogg Theora's been a bit of a "well, maybe, if we get time" sort of project for Xiph. Even the instructions on the theora.org website for obtaining the current code haven't been updated since before the Alpha 1 release (still showing that one needs to check out the "vp32" module). Even since its beginning, there has been almost no official news from Xiph on Theora. Alpha 1 was released without even a mention on the Theora mailing lists that it was coming (or even that it'd been released after the fact). Theora hasn't even been mentioned in the last 3 issues of Ogg Traffic. I apologize if this is coming across as flamebait - it's not supposed to. In fairness, I recognize the Emmett Plant posted a bit of information to the list mid-last-month, and Monty's been posting here occasionally about The Great Mimetype Debate(tm), so Theora's obviously not TOTALLY forgotten. I also know that some technical issues have made Monty's hard work at getting libogg prepped for Theora have made things difficult...but that's the whole extent of the available information that I can find on the subject of Ogg Theora. So - any apparent "flamebaititude" (is that even a real word?) in here is just the product of frustration from watching what seems like a very promising project (not to mention timely, what with the first standalone 'video file' players starting to come out...and only support "DivX" [though the player in question DOES support Ogg Vorbis for sound-only playback]) languish while I wait for it to reach a point where I can contribute something to it myself. Some official news once in a while would be a great relief to me, and I imagine as well to any potential developers, testers, and documenters who are still watching the list and waiting for a genuinely free alternative to "DivX". Please? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'theora-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Theora is alive and well. However your points are valid; there's been very
little update on the www.theora.org page, or relevant info at xiph.org.
One decision I am aware of that should have been broadcast but hasn't been
yet for some reason, is that Alpha 2 is going to be merged into the initial Beta
release, still scheduled for late March. The feeling was that there simply
weren't enough important changes to provide another release.
I know Monty is working hard on the changes necessary to get libogg+theora to
work nicely (perhaps even really well). I am working on the bitstream
specification for the video compression stream ('Theora' proper, ie the
video codec). Until this work is done, we feel there is little to be gained by
encouraging large-scale adoption of what is necessarily a work in progress.
-dan
-----Original Message-----
From: emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net
[mailto:emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net]
Sent: Mon 1/27/2003 9:34 PM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Cc:
Subject: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
Whatever became of Ogg Theora?
There seems to be still almost no news from Xiph or its
developers regarding Ogg Theora. None at all since Mid-December,
when the release of Alpha 2 was pushed back to a month ago...
No news on plans for the second Alpha? No news of development
"roadmaps"? No news on current developments or challenges
that
are stalling development? No CVS updates related to Theora
since the Alpha 1 release?
I get the impression that Ogg Theora's been a bit of a "well,
maybe,
if we get time" sort of project for Xiph. Even the instructions on
the theora.org website for obtaining the current code haven't
been updated since before the Alpha 1 release (still showing that
one needs to check out the "vp32" module).
Even since its beginning, there has been almost no official news
from Xiph on Theora. Alpha 1 was released without even a mention
on the Theora mailing lists that it was coming (or even that it'd
been released after the fact). Theora hasn't even been mentioned in
the last 3 issues of Ogg Traffic.
I apologize if this is coming across as flamebait - it's not
supposed to.
In fairness, I recognize the Emmett Plant posted a bit of information to
the list mid-last-month, and Monty's been posting here occasionally
about
The Great Mimetype Debate(tm), so Theora's obviously not TOTALLY
forgotten.
I also know that some technical issues have made Monty's hard work
at getting
libogg prepped for Theora have made things difficult...but that's
the
whole extent of the available information that I can find on the subject
of Ogg Theora.
So - any apparent "flamebaititude" (is that even a real word?)
in here is just
the product of frustration from watching what seems like a very
promising
project (not to mention timely, what with the first standalone
'video file'
players starting to come out...and only support "DivX" [though
the player
in question DOES support Ogg Vorbis for sound-only playback]) languish
while I
wait for it to reach a point where I can contribute something to it
myself.
Some official news once in a while would be a great relief to me, and I
imagine as well to any potential developers, testers, and documenters
who
are still watching the list and waiting for a genuinely free alternative
to
"DivX".
Please?
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So, when will there be support for playing Theora files in Media Player?
Regards
Thomas Tomiczek
THONA Consulting Ltd.
(Microsoft MVP C#/.NET)
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Miller [mailto:owner-theora-dev@xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Dan Miller
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:11 PM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Subject: RE: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
Theora is alive and well. However your points are valid;
there's been very little update on the www.theora.org page, or relevant
info at xiph.org.
One decision I am aware of that should have been broadcast but
hasn't been yet for some reason, is that Alpha 2 is going to be merged
into the initial Beta release, still scheduled for late March. The
feeling was that there simply weren't enough important changes to
provide another release.
I know Monty is working hard on the changes necessary to get
libogg+theora to work nicely (perhaps even really well). I am working
on the bitstream specification for the video compression stream
('Theora' proper, ie the video codec). Until this work is done, we feel
there is little to be gained by encouraging large-scale adoption of what
is necessarily a work in progress.
-dan
-----Original Message-----
From: emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net
[mailto:emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net]
Sent: Mon 1/27/2003 9:34 PM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Cc:
Subject: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
Whatever became of Ogg Theora?
There seems to be still almost no news from Xiph or its
developers regarding Ogg Theora. None at all since
Mid-December,
when the release of Alpha 2 was pushed back to a month
ago...
No news on plans for the second Alpha? No news of
development
"roadmaps"? No news on current developments or
challenges that
are stalling development? No CVS updates related to
Theora
since the Alpha 1 release?
I get the impression that Ogg Theora's been a bit of a
"well, maybe,
if we get time" sort of project for Xiph. Even the
instructions on
the theora.org website for obtaining the current code
haven't
been updated since before the Alpha 1 release (still
showing that
one needs to check out the "vp32" module).
Even since its beginning, there has been almost no
official news
from Xiph on Theora. Alpha 1 was released without even
a mention
on the Theora mailing lists that it was coming (or even
that it'd
been released after the fact). Theora hasn't even been
mentioned in
the last 3 issues of Ogg Traffic.
I apologize if this is coming across as flamebait - it's
not supposed to.
In fairness, I recognize the Emmett Plant posted a bit
of information to
the list mid-last-month, and Monty's been posting here
occasionally about
The Great Mimetype Debate(tm), so Theora's obviously not
TOTALLY forgotten.
I also know that some technical issues have made Monty's
hard work at getting
libogg prepped for Theora have made things
difficult...but that's the
whole extent of the available information that I can
find on the subject
of Ogg Theora.
So - any apparent "flamebaititude" (is that even a
real
word?) in here is just
the product of frustration from watching what seems like
a very promising
project (not to mention timely, what with the first
standalone 'video file'
players starting to come out...and only support "DivX"
[though the player
in question DOES support Ogg Vorbis for sound-only
playback]) languish while I
wait for it to reach a point where I can contribute
something to it myself.
Some official news once in a while would be a great
relief to me, and I
imagine as well to any potential developers, testers,
and documenters who
are still watching the list and waiting for a genuinely
free alternative to
"DivX".
Please?
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is there a WMP plug-in for Ogg/Vorbis? If so, who wrote it?
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Tomiczek [mailto:t.tomiczek@thona-consulting.com]
Sent: Tue 1/28/2003 7:18 AM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Cc:
Subject: RE: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
So, when will there be support for playing Theora files in Media Player?
Regards
Thomas Tomiczek
THONA Consulting Ltd.
(Microsoft MVP C#/.NET)
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Miller [mailto:owner-theora-dev@xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Dan Miller
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:11 PM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Subject: RE: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
Theora is alive and well. However your points are valid;
there's been very little update on the www.theora.org page, or relevant info
at xiph.org.
One decision I am aware of that should have been broadcast but
hasn't been yet for some reason, is that Alpha 2 is going to be merged into
the initial Beta release, still scheduled for late March. The feeling was that
there simply weren't enough important changes to provide another release.
I know Monty is working hard on the changes necessary to get
libogg+theora to work nicely (perhaps even really well). I am working on the
bitstream specification for the video compression stream ('Theora'
proper, ie the video codec). Until this work is done, we feel there is little
to be gained by encouraging large-scale adoption of what is necessarily a work
in progress.
-dan
-----Original Message-----
From: emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net
[mailto:emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net]
Sent: Mon 1/27/2003 9:34 PM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Cc:
Subject: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
Whatever became of Ogg Theora?
There seems to be still almost no news from Xiph or its
developers regarding Ogg Theora. None at all since
Mid-December,
when the release of Alpha 2 was pushed back to a month
ago...
No news on plans for the second Alpha? No news of
development
"roadmaps"? No news on current developments
or challenges that
are stalling development? No CVS updates related to
Theora
since the Alpha 1 release?
I get the impression that Ogg Theora's been a bit of
a "well, maybe,
if we get time" sort of project for Xiph. Even the
instructions on
the theora.org website for obtaining the current code
haven't
been updated since before the Alpha 1 release (still
showing that
one needs to check out the "vp32" module).
Even since its beginning, there has been almost no
official news
from Xiph on Theora. Alpha 1 was released without even
a mention
on the Theora mailing lists that it was coming (or even
that it'd
been released after the fact). Theora hasn't even
been mentioned in
the last 3 issues of Ogg Traffic.
I apologize if this is coming across as flamebait -
it's not supposed to.
In fairness, I recognize the Emmett Plant posted a bit
of information to
the list mid-last-month, and Monty's been posting
here occasionally about
The Great Mimetype Debate(tm), so Theora's obviously
not TOTALLY forgotten.
I also know that some technical issues have made
Monty's hard work at getting
libogg prepped for Theora have made things
difficult...but that's the
whole extent of the available information that I can
find on the subject
of Ogg Theora.
So - any apparent "flamebaititude" (is that
even a real word?) in here is just
the product of frustration from watching what seems like
a very promising
project (not to mention timely, what with the first
standalone 'video file'
players starting to come out...and only support
"DivX" [though the player
in question DOES support Ogg Vorbis for sound-only
playback]) languish while I
wait for it to reach a point where I can contribute
something to it myself.
Some official news once in a while would be a great
relief to me, and I
imagine as well to any potential developers, testers,
and documenters who
are still watching the list and waiting for a genuinely
free alternative to
"DivX".
Please?
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well it would be great to have a WMP plug-in, but the point of the beta is to
provide a robust release of the Theora reference encoder, decoder, and bitstream
specification.
-----Original Message-----
From: gtgbr@gmx.net [mailto:gtgbr@gmx.net]
Sent: Wed 1/29/2003 11:48 AM
To: theora-dev@xiph.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: [theora-dev] It's quiet. TOO quiet.
Dan Miller wrote:
> is there a WMP plug-in for Ogg/Vorbis? If so, who wrote it?
There are two directshow filters, one (semi?-)dead one called MediaXW
(http://mediaxw.sf.net/) and Tobias' OggDS from
http://tobias.everwicked.com/ ... it says "Bandwidth exceeded"
right
now, so I can only guess whether this was the right URL or not. :P
Anyways, both allow WMP to play Vorbis.
Moritz
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> From: emaillist+ot@dogphilosophy.net> While I'm writing here - I DO have a question for you, then, > as the one > working on the Theora bitstream specification. Will the Theora codec > be directly usable in other container formats? Or, the question I am > more specifically getting at, how difficult would it likely > be if, say, > the FFMpeg or MPlayer/Mencoder projects wanted to go ahead and add > Theora encoding support into the existing container format(s) > that they > use? (Mencoder currently only produces .avi, as far as I > know.) From what > I can tell (which, admittedly, isn't all that much) there's > not much of > anything that really needs to be done to the codec (other > than, e.g. basic > optimization) at all, and all of the difficulty involved is > simply getting > the specification and implementation off Theora in the Ogg file format > worked out, is this true?that's basically the case (all of the work presently is focused on the integration of Theora (nee VP3) within the Ogg framework. At this point, if someone wanted to develop encoders or decoders that do NOT depend on Ogg as a container would probably be best served by working with the old VP3 codebase (available at www.theora.org/cvs). As for your comments on marketing & communications, I second Moritz's comments in this forum. I do think there is some trepidation wrt getting too much focus before we're technically ready. It's also true that xiph.org is not an over-funded foundation and needs to be very careful to husband its limited resources. However it is easy to get the attention of Emmett at least (Monty to a lesser degree) by visiting irc.xiph.org. For now, the #vorbis chatroom is pretty much the default meetingplace, with #theora not getting much use. I expect that will change after the beta release. I try to check in there every couple days, and I do monitor this board pretty much daily. (note that while there is plenty of OT chatter on IRC, if you have a real technical, usage, or business question, usually the relevant person's attention can be gained with a little patience. It's also pretty much accepted to /msg someone without permission -- at least I don't mind; it's not a singles hangout). Keep the faith, help is on the way -dbm .+-j!i0+:)rhZm1hNrybXuz-+izqhrj) '+a{ +v&{ay,rR{.n+z,z{m^+-)emw