samba - Mar 2018 - broken mailing-list -> Re: Accentuated characters issue when receiving attributes from "samba user syncpasswords"

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:54:16 +0200
Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200
> > Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200
> >>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200
> >>>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at
lists.samba.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc:
> >>>>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but
how come it's
> >>>>>>> correctly encoded in the DN and not in the
attribute ?
> >>>>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something
?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on
mailing-lists
> >>>>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> proper mail clients respect
> >>>>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a
wrong reply-to
> >>>>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for
sure contain one
> >>>>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that
> >>>>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at
thelounge.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the
OP's mail client
> >>>>
> >>>> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not
part of the
> >>>> game of my own posts received from the list and when you
look
> >>>> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the
samba
> >>>> ML has this stupid "Reply-To" header
> >>>>
> >>>> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird
understand
> >>>> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the
"Reply-List"-button)
> >>>> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at
lists.samba.org>
> >>>> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org>
> >>>> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org
> >>>> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org>
> >>>
> >>> OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to
NOT remove
> >>> 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman'
recommends, so I don't
> >>> see it changing
> >>
> >> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because
> >> it *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message
> >> coming from this list
> >>
> >> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example
where
> >> you can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the
> >> reply-to header in the middle of headers populated by the list
> >> server
> >>
> >> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single
> >> message of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters
> >> address
> >>
> >> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which
> >> don't do that also use mailman what is the point of your
> >> discussion?
> >>
> > 
> > When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to
'Poster'
> > 
> > AND
> > 
> > From Mailman help:
> > 
> > This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
> > messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
> > Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in
> > the original message, it is not stripped. 
> > 
> > AND
> > 
> > In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this:
> > 
> > Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> 
> in the list message, yes, and that's the whole point of my "broken
> mailing-list"
> 
> > Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so
where
> > is it coming from ??
> from somewhere on the samba-maling list - period
> how can you prove that Mailmain don't add it?
> 
> i can prove it's not there in the sent message and our postfix for
> sure don't add headers (i am the mailadmin of some hundret
> maildomains and would know that)
> 
> i can also prove that "Reply-To: Reindl Harald
> <h.reindl at thelounge.net>" only exists in mails from the
samba-list,
> not on any other mailing-list and when i press "reply" on such a
mail
> it becomes a off-list message which is terrible
> 
> 
We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the
'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so it
must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be
Thunderbird ?

There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother
replying.

Rowland

Am 28.03.2018 um 19:17 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the
> 'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so
it
> must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be
> Thunderbird?
no it could not

why should Thunderbird invite a header in the *middle* of *reveived
message headers* and only in case of the samba-list

you even said at at your own "In the full headers of the post you
referred to, there is this: Reply-To: Reindl Harald
<h.reindl at thelounge.net>"
> There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother
> replying
i just don't believe that you proper checked

if you see "Reply-To" headers in message from me received over the
samba-mailing list they are added at the samba infrastructure - it's
that easy - period

*every* single message from this mailing list has a reply-to header to
the poster, independent who is the poster, no other mailing-list on
planet earth has a reply-to-header - it's that simple - period

consult a mailadmin because it don't matter if it's mailmain or some
other borked piece of the samaba mail-infrastructure, it's not on my end

On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 19:28 +0200, Reindl Harald via samba
wrote:
> *every* single message from this mailing list has a reply-to header to
> the poster, independent who is the poster, no other mailing-list on
> planet earth has a reply-to-header - it's that simple - period
So, e-mail is hard these days, and mailing list e-mail is even harder.

Read up about the interactions between DKIM, DMARC and mailing lists
here:
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM

Either we change the From (and so need to set a Reply-To otherwise it
becomes impossible to do a private reply, which is needed sometimes) or
we get every google user booted off the list whenever a yahoo user
posts.

It sucks all round.  Samba uses the last option listed in the table
there.

(Historically, we used to set reply-to to the mailing list, to avoid
accidental private replies).

I hope this clarifies things,

Andrew Bartlett

-- 
Andrew Bartlett                       http://samba.org/~abartlet/
Authentication Developer, Samba Team  http://samba.org
Samba Developer, Catalyst IT          http://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba

I have attached your mail in source text format.
Harald or Rowland maybe right.

You may find something which helps to explain it.

-- 

Gruss
	Harry Jede
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:54:16 +0200
Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200
> > Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200
> >>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200
> >>>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at
lists.samba.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc:
> >>>>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but
how come it's
> >>>>>>> correctly encoded in the DN and not in the
attribute ?
> >>>>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something
?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on
mailing-lists
> >>>>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> proper mail clients respect
> >>>>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a
wrong reply-to
> >>>>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for
sure contain one
> >>>>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that
> >>>>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at
thelounge.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the
OP's mail client
> >>>>
> >>>> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not
part of the
> >>>> game of my own posts received from the list and when you
look
> >>>> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the
samba
> >>>> ML has this stupid "Reply-To" header
> >>>>
> >>>> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird
understand
> >>>> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the
"Reply-List"-button)
> >>>> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at
lists.samba.org>
> >>>> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org>
> >>>> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org
> >>>> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org>
> >>>
> >>> OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to
NOT remove
> >>> 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman'
recommends, so I don't
> >>> see it changing
> >>
> >> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because
> >> it *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message
> >> coming from this list
> >>
> >> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example
where
> >> you can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the
> >> reply-to header in the middle of headers populated by the list
> >> server
> >>
> >> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single
> >> message of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters
> >> address
> >>
> >> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which
> >> don't do that also use mailman what is the point of your
> >> discussion?
> >>
> > 
> > When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to
'Poster'
> > 
> > AND
> > 
> > From Mailman help:
> > 
> > This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
> > messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
> > Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in
> > the original message, it is not stripped. 
> > 
> > AND
> > 
> > In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this:
> > 
> > Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> 
> in the list message, yes, and that's the whole point of my "broken
> mailing-list"
> 
> > Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so
where
> > is it coming from ??
> from somewhere on the samba-maling list - period
> how can you prove that Mailmain don't add it?
> 
> i can prove it's not there in the sent message and our postfix for
> sure don't add headers (i am the mailadmin of some hundret
> maildomains and would know that)
> 
> i can also prove that "Reply-To: Reindl Harald
> <h.reindl at thelounge.net>" only exists in mails from the
samba-list,
> not on any other mailing-list and when i press "reply" on such a
mail
> it becomes a off-list message which is terrible
> 
> 
We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the
'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so it
must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be
Thunderbird ?

There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother
replying.

Rowland

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