samba - Mar 2018 - broken mailing-list -> Re: Accentuated characters issue when receiving attributes from "samba user syncpasswords"

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200
Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200
> > Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200
> >>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc:
> >>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but how come
it's correctly
> >>>>> encoded in the DN and not in the attribute ?
> >>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something ?
> >>>>
> >>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on
mailing-lists
> >>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it
> >>>>
> >>>> proper mail clients respect
> >>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a wrong
reply-to
> >>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for sure
contain one
> >>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that
> >>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> >>>
> >>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the OP's
mail client
> >>
> >> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not part of
the
> >> game of my own posts received from the list and when you look
> >> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the samba ML
> >> has this stupid "Reply-To" header
> >>
> >> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird understand
> >> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the
"Reply-List"-button)
> >> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
> >> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org>
> >> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org
> >> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org>
> > 
> > OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to NOT remove
> > 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman' recommends,
so I don't
> > see it changing
> 
> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because it
> *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message coming
> from this list
> 
> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example where you
> can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the reply-to
> header in the middle of headers populated by the list server
> 
> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single message
> of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters address
> 
> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which don't
> do that also use mailman what is the point of your discussion?
> 
When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to
'Poster'

AND

From Mailman help:

This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in the
original message, it is not stripped. 

AND

In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this:

Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>

Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so where is
it coming from ??

Rowland

Am 28.03.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200
> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200
>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200
>>>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc:
>>>>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but how
come it's correctly
>>>>>>> encoded in the DN and not in the attribute ?
>>>>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on
mailing-lists
>>>>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> proper mail clients respect
>>>>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a wrong
reply-to
>>>>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for sure
contain one
>>>>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that
>>>>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at
thelounge.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the OP's
mail client
>>>>
>>>> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not part
of the
>>>> game of my own posts received from the list and when you look
>>>> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the samba
ML
>>>> has this stupid "Reply-To" header
>>>>
>>>> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird understand
>>>> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the
"Reply-List"-button)
>>>> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
>>>> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org>
>>>> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org
>>>> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org>
>>>
>>> OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to NOT
remove
>>> 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman'
recommends, so I don't
>>> see it changing
>>
>> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because it
>> *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message coming
>> from this list
>>
>> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example where
you
>> can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the reply-to
>> header in the middle of headers populated by the list server
>>
>> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single message
>> of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters address
>>
>> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which
don't
>> do that also use mailman what is the point of your discussion?
>>
> 
> When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to
'Poster'
> 
> AND
> 
> From Mailman help:
> 
> This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
> messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
> Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in the
> original message, it is not stripped. 
> 
> AND
> 
> In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this:
> 
> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
in the list message, yes, and that's the whole point of my "broken
mailing-list"
> Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so where is
> it coming from ??
from somewhere on the samba-maling list - period
how can you prove that Mailmain don't add it?

i can prove it's not there in the sent message and our postfix for sure
don't add headers (i am the mailadmin of some hundret maildomains and
would know that)

i can also prove that "Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at
thelounge.net>"
only exists in mails from the samba-list, not on any other mailing-list
and when i press "reply" on such a mail it becomes a off-list message
which is terrible

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:54:16 +0200
Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:22:16 +0200
> > Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 28.03.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:32:33 +0200
> >>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at lists.samba.org>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 17:21 schrieb Rowland Penny via samba:
> >>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:59:19 +0200
> >>>>> Reindl Harald via samba <samba at
lists.samba.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 28.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Lapin Blanc:
> >>>>>>> Thank you for the tip, i'll use it, but
how come it's
> >>>>>>> correctly encoded in the DN and not in the
attribute ?
> >>>>>>> Is it related to the ldif format or something
?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> no idea and hence *do not* reply privately on
mailing-lists
> >>>>>> i just recognize base64 when i see it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> proper mail clients respect
> >>>>>> List-Post: <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> whoever configured that mailing list to add a
wrong reply-to
> >>>>>> header should be punsihed because my mails for
sure contain one
> >>>>>> and it's pervert to break a list like that
> >>>>>> Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at
thelounge.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It isn't the mailing list, it is probably the
OP's mail client
> >>>>
> >>>> it *is* the mailing list, the OP's mail client is not
part of the
> >>>> game of my own posts received from the list and when you
look
> >>>> *every* single mail from the samba ML and *noly* from the
samba
> >>>> ML has this stupid "Reply-To" header
> >>>>
> >>>> your message i reply to (luckily because thunderbird
understand
> >>>> list-headers and ignores Reply-To with the
"Reply-List"-button)
> >>>> From: Rowland Penny via samba <samba at
lists.samba.org>
> >>>> Reply-To: Rowland Penny <rpenny at samba.org>
> >>>> Errors-To: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org
> >>>> Sender: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org>
> >>>
> >>> OK, I see what you mean, but 'Mailman' is set up to
NOT remove
> >>> 'Reply-To' headers, this is what 'Mailman'
recommends, so I don't
> >>> see it changing
> >>
> >> WTF - nobody asked for remove it - i ask for not invite it because
> >> it *adds one* even when there was none - to every single message
> >> coming from this list
> >>
> >> don't stop prematurely read messages, i gave you an example
where
> >> you can see my sent-message from my local client as well as the
> >> reply-to header in the middle of headers populated by the list
> >> server
> >>
> >> just go into your local list-folder nad look: *every* single
> >> message of this list has a reply-to header pointing to the posters
> >> address
> >>
> >> and since this is only on *this* mlaing list while others which
> >> don't do that also use mailman what is the point of your
> >> discussion?
> >>
> > 
> > When it comes to 'Reply-To', 'mailman' is set to
'Poster'
> > 
> > AND
> > 
> > From Mailman help:
> > 
> > This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
> > messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
> > Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in
> > the original message, it is not stripped. 
> > 
> > AND
> > 
> > In the full headers of the post you referred to, there is this:
> > 
> > Reply-To: Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> 
> in the list message, yes, and that's the whole point of my "broken
> mailing-list"
> 
> > Mailman isn't adding it and you say you are not adding it, so
where
> > is it coming from ??
> from somewhere on the samba-maling list - period
> how can you prove that Mailmain don't add it?
> 
> i can prove it's not there in the sent message and our postfix for
> sure don't add headers (i am the mailadmin of some hundret
> maildomains and would know that)
> 
> i can also prove that "Reply-To: Reindl Harald
> <h.reindl at thelounge.net>" only exists in mails from the
samba-list,
> not on any other mailing-list and when i press "reply" on such a
mail
> it becomes a off-list message which is terrible
> 
> 
We are not going to agree on this, Mailman is not adding the
'Reply-To' , I have checked. You say that you are not adding it, so it
must be coming from somewhere else, but where is unknown. Could it be
Thunderbird ?

There is no point in continuing this discussion, so don't bother
replying.

Rowland