Rails - Mar 2013 - Learning Rails - Advice for development environment

Hello,

I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
background:

I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.

However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.

Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use a 
VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across Vagrant. 
I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for rails 
development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the idea is 
still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM with 
ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as if it 
was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more confused.

Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
VM?

I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
have read that some people have issues with it.

Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
for coding / the VM for testing and server?

Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
to learning more rails!

Thanks everyone,
Michael

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Hi Michael,

I''m an ASP .Net dev guy for close to 7 years now and have always used
PC.
Last year I bought a Macbook on Gumtree and have recently found a lot of 
joy in programming Ruby on Rails using Terminal. I run VMware Fusion with 
Windows OS for my .Net dev but found myself doing less of that now. 

Sometimes I just power on my PC with windows and then remote desktop via 
Chrome. That worked well too.

- Fai

On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:46:31 AM UTC+11, Michael Armistead
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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Dropbox comes in handy too, this way you can do development anywhere. I 
haven''t tried the Windows tools for RoR and prefer Mac style when it
comes
to RoR.

On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:39:31 AM UTC+11, Fai Wong
wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I''m an ASP .Net dev guy for close to 7 years now and have always
used PC.
> Last year I bought a Macbook on Gumtree and have recently found a lot of 
> joy in programming Ruby on Rails using Terminal. I run VMware Fusion with 
> Windows OS for my .Net dev but found myself doing less of that now. 
>
> Sometimes I just power on my PC with windows and then remote desktop via 
> Chrome. That worked well too.
>
> - Fai
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:46:31 AM UTC+11, Michael Armistead wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
>> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question
is basically
>> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some
>> background:
>>
>> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so
>> it was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint
and
>> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>>
>> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never
>> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling
to
>> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
>> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
>> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using
powertop,
>> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>>
>> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then
use
>> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
>> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
>> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the
>> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard
VM
>> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just
as
>> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
>> confused.
>>
>> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services /
>> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS -
and
>> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of
the
>> VM?
>>
>> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within
Vagrant?
>> I have read that some people have issues with it.
>>
>> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my
>> OS for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>>
>> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am
>> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
>> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get
back
>> to learning more rails!
>>
>> Thanks everyone,
>> Michael
>>
>
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Hi Michael,

I''m kind of in the same situation as Fai. I''m a .NET developer
doing
ASP.NET. But currently I started doing RoR development. For that purpose I 
bought a Mac.
I understood that lot''s of RoR use Textmate ( http://macromates.com/ )
as
IDE. Texmate is only available for Mac.
Another great editor is SublimeText 2 ( http://www.sublimetext.com/2 ). 
SublimeText2 is available for Mac and PC.
I also heard a lot of praise about RubyMine by JetBrains 
( http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/)

But the thing I like about RoR is just that it''s less tool dependent
like
.NET development which relies heavily on Visual Studio and Sql Server. One 
can develop a Rails app by just using the terminal and an editor.

hope this helps,

Anthony

Op maandag 18 maart 2013 20:46:31 UTC+1 schreef Michael Armistead het 
volgende:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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I am using a Mac so I do not have you problems. Is you laptop certified for 
a specific distro of Linux. Do you know that Dell and may be HP have 
laptops certified for Ubuntu and Redhat? I personally would try to use 
Linux, bash, git, apt-get, more performance. I would try to fix Linux 
issues. You could develop in Windows, Ruby works on it. Vagrant is good, 
you can just run ''ssh vagrant'' and call tests and guard from
you windows
shell. The problem is that Windows shell is rubbish and you have to use 
putty because Windows does not have ssh. I would just avoid to use Windows 
entirely, it is too limiting. I would try to fix LInux issues on the laptop 
or buy another laptop, seriously.

On Monday, 18 March 2013 19:46:31 UTC, Michael Armistead
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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Hi Michael,
I think the problem may be with the hardware being too new.  Some lap tops 
have good comparability with mainstream linux distros.

I had better success with older hardware and although they run slow under 
windows (which is by design by M$) they run quite fast under linux.

For example Lubuntu 12.04 installs without problem on a Lenovo 3000 N100.  
With rvm and RubyMine I can run multiple versions of ruby and rails.

On Monday, 18 March 2013 19:46:31 UTC, Michael Armistead
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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I have been using Linux as a desktop since 1998. I can vouch for how ideal 
Linux is for RoR dev. It''s a natural home for it. I have done loads of
RoR
projects on Linux, obviously.

I don''t have a popular view. I think that an IDE is essential to RoR
work
(or any development). Proper debugging is always required. I spent an awful 
lot of time researching IDEs and by far the best was Netbeans, but 
unfortunately they have dropped support for Ruby in the latest versions! 

I haven''t really found a good replacement IDE. On Linux, vim is
ruby-aware.
However, debugging and profiling aren''t a luxury, they''re
essential and
using text editors just doesn''t hack it.

My own preference will be to consolidate on Eclipse as it''s pretty much
the
swiss army knife of IDEs and if, like me, you are multilingual, its''
your
common denominator especially if you combine Rails and Java (GWT anyone?).

The problems that you are having with battery life sound very much like 
it''s either your battery/hardware or something terribly wrong with your
linux. I use linux on all my laptops. In fact my main dev box is a Dell 
M1730. Now out of date but it''s such a comprehensive setup that I
can''t
readily migrate to an updated machine (and it''s powerful enough for my 
needs to why change?).

I have always found Linux to beat Windows hands-down on performance, 
lightness of overheads and certainly it''s not a battery drain! On the
rare
occasion that I need Windows, I run it under vmware very successfully.

Try a fresh Ubuntu (I prefer Kubuntu as I prefer KDE) installation. Ubuntu 
is brilliant at "just working".

A big Apple advantage of course is that it "just works" and
it''s also unix
(BSD), so you get the best of both worlds, but at a premium price tag.

On Monday, 18 March 2013 19:46:31 UTC, Michael Armistead
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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I would really like to thank everyone for their input and opinions. Right 
now, I have done a clean install of Ubuntu and I will tweak it here and 
there until I can get battery life where I want it. I have been using 
Sublime Text 2 with several plugins, although in the future I may try a 
true IDE to see what the differences are.

Also, I do recognize that a Mac would be the best all-around computer for 
me, but I just cannot justify the cost right now (especially as I am not 
making any money yet doing rails! Actually, I''ve been in the 
automation/controls industry for ~9 years, and just now deciding to learn 
something new).

Thanks again - great community here!!!

On Monday, March 18, 2013 12:46:31 PM UTC-7, Michael Armistead
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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Michael Armistead wrote in post #1102638:
> I would really like to thank everyone for their input and opinions.
> Right
> now, I have done a clean install of Ubuntu and I will tweak it here and
> there until I can get battery life where I want it. I have been using
> Sublime Text 2 with several plugins, although in the future I may try a
> true IDE to see what the differences are.
I''ll have to somewhat disagree with the idea that a true IDE is 
essential to Rails development. I have been involved with our local Ruby 
user''s group, here in Atlanta, for several years and I''ve not
seen a
single presentation, or know of any Ruby developers that uses an IDE.

I really don''t find myself using a debugger much at all when developing
Rails. If I do find a use for stepping though code I take that as a sign 
that I''m doing something wrong. Either my methods are too complex and 
need refactoring, or my test cases are insufficient. As for performance 
metrics, there are plenty of better (IMHO) ways to do that. Ones that 
are not dependent on a particular IDE.

What I see the vase majority of developers using are VIM, Sublime Text 2 
& TextMate, with Sublime quickly taking over TextMate''s share.
It''s also
worth noting that over 90% of the developers in our group use OS X with 
nearly all the remaining 10% using some flavor of Linux. I''ve not met 
anyone personally that develops on Windows. i know they are out there, I 
just haven''t met anyone in the area that does.

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On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:35:04 AM UTC+13,
bradley...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
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>
> A big Apple advantage of course is that it "just works" and
it''s also unix
> (BSD), so you get the best of both worlds, but at a premium price tag.
>
Homebrew is inferior to APT. For example, if you install Postgres, you 
don''t get daemon running automatically, you have to run it manually.
Stone
fucking age, OSX. I do all development on Linux, but 50% of time work fom 
Macbook via ssh.

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Yes, it seems that Linux''s (Ubuntu in my case) battery management is
not as
good as that of Windows 7.

I am running 12.04 and W7 as alternative OS on a Dell XPS. As an old Unix 
developer I use emacs on Ubuntu (and xemacs  on W7) as editor. It has nice 
modes for a lot of programming languages. Debug facilities of RoR are very 
nice, so why an IDE? rbenv for different versions of Ruby and Rails.

Regards

On Monday, 18 March 2013 20:46:31 UTC+1, Michael Armistead
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been learning Rails for several weeks now. I am working through 
> Michael Hartl''s tutorial and other various things. My question is
basically
> regarding what type of environment to do my development in. First, some 
> background:
>
> I have used different linux distros on and off throughout the years, so it 
> was easy and familiar for me to set up my desktop computer with Mint and 
> get rvm/rails etc installed and working correctly. No issues there.
>
> However, I went out and bought a laptop this last weekend; I have never 
> installed any linux variant on a laptop, so when I did it was startling to 
> find out how incredibly terrible the battery life / power management 
> functions were. I was getting ~2 hours of life just doing simple web 
> browsing. After spending an afternoon tweaking everything (using powertop, 
> thinkfan etc), I was able to increase that marginally.
>
> Then, I had someone recommend that I use win7 as my host OS, and then use 
> a VM for rails development. While doing some research, I came across 
> Vagrant. I got it set up and installed using one of the boxes made for 
> rails development, however I have not started using it yet. I guess the 
> idea is still quite fresh regarding workflow. If I was using a standard VM 
> with ubuntu or whatever, I would boot it up and do my work inside just as 
> if it was the host OS. When it comes to Vagrant, I am a little more 
> confused.
>
> Am I supposed to start my headless vagrant box, start all my services / 
> rails server etc inside, but then have Sublime Text 2 on my host OS - and 
> work out of the shared directory while just performing tests inside of the 
> VM?
>
> I use Guard / Spork on my desktop - how do I set this up within Vagrant? I 
> have read that some people have issues with it.
>
> Am I going to run into any problems down the line running windows as my OS 
> for coding / the VM for testing and server?
>
> Well, I am rambling. This whole idea is just very fresh for me, so I am 
> just looking for any feedback possible. I want to get my development 
> environment set up as fast (but as stable) as possible, so I can get back 
> to learning more rails!
>
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
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