I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on every page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere throughout your site. So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the jobs section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my breakdown: 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with table based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge me for pressing a few buttons 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email but who still want to work for me 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an understatement 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t have a portfolio 1 nigerian scammer so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the project is non-profit)
If thats the case have you tried one Aussie xHTML / CSS Userinterface designer, living in the UK, looking for some small projects? A designer who knows ruby on rails? Who is realtively cheap? I could be your man! Cheers Leevi Graham info@leevigraham.com www.leevigraham.com (wordpress blog) typo.leevigraham.com (typo blog themed with typo garden award winning theme Origami) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
i could need such a man, too, but i dont have any money to spend... thats even harder! 2006/8/16, Alan Bullock <liststuff@gmail.com>:> > I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a > stylesheet > to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? > > It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a > little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on > every > page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere > throughout your site. > > So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the jobs > section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my > breakdown: > > 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with > table > based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs > 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge me > for pressing a few buttons > 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email but > who still want to work for me > 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly > developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an > understatement > 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford > 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t have a > portfolio > 1 nigerian scammer > > so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I > can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the > project is non-profit) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Michael Siebert <info@siebert-wd.de> www.stellar-legends.de - Weltraum-Browsergame im Alpha-Stadium -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/0bd036e7/attachment.html
heheh do what I did!! Find a great designer and marry her :)> i could need such a man, too, but i dont have any money to spend... > thats > even harder! > > 2006/8/16, Alan Bullock <liststuff@gmail.com>: >> >> I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a >> stylesheet >> to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? >> >> It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and >> then a >> little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear >> on >> every >> page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) >> anywhere >> throughout your site. >> >> So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in >> the jobs >> section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my >> breakdown: >> >> 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site >> with >> table >> based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs >> 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to >> charge me >> for pressing a few buttons >> 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their >> email but >> who still want to work for me >> 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly >> developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an >> understatement >> 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never >> afford >> 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t >> have a >> portfolio >> 1 nigerian scammer >> >> so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to >> do? I >> can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board >> (the >> project is non-profit) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > > > > -- > Michael Siebert <info@siebert-wd.de> > > www.stellar-legends.de - Weltraum-Browsergame im Alpha-Stadium > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On 8/16/06, Alan Bullock <liststuff@gmail.com> wrote:> I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet > to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? > > It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a > little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on every > page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere > throughout your site.*snip*> so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I > can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the > project is non-profit) >You may be able to to find a suitable layout/design at <http://www.oswd.org/>. Isak
Why can''t you just do the design yourself ? Check out the CSS - Discuss wiki. incutio something or other is the url address. There are also two sites that offer up open source css web templates. A number of sites exist with things like layout calculators and other tutorials for fancier things like drop boxes, css menus, etc. Stuart On 8/16/06, Michael Siebert <info@siebert-wd.de> wrote:> i could need such a man, too, but i dont have any money to spend... thats > even harder! > > 2006/8/16, Alan Bullock <liststuff@gmail.com>: > > I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a > stylesheet > > to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? > > > > It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a > > little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on > every > > page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere > > throughout your site. > > > > So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the jobs > > section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my > > breakdown: > > > > 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with > table > > based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs > > 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge me > > for pressing a few buttons > > 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email but > > who still want to work for me > > 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly > > developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an > > understatement > > 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford > > 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t have a > > portfolio > > 1 nigerian scammer > > > > so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I > > can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the > > project is non-profit) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > -- > Michael Siebert <info@siebert-wd.de> > > www.stellar-legends.de - Weltraum-Browsergame im Alpha-Stadium > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >
Alan Bullock wrote:> 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never > affordWell, it is a classic to say "I know what I want" and to equally say it is overpriced. Since when is turing an idea into reality cheap? Good design is so accessible today to small firms and non-profits because of the low cost of tools and ease of collaboration over the internet. Still, it doesn''t cost next-to-nothing. Either buy a template and put together out what is missing, & what needs to change. (Betty Crocker cake mix) or Hire the right craftsman with the right tools. (Bakery) Timothy Johnson www.foundinteractive.com -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
http://www.sixshootermedia.com/free-templates/ some really nice ones for free enjoy -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 14:07 +0100, Alan Bullock wrote:> I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet > to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? > > It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a > little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on every > page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere > throughout your site. > > So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the jobs > section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my > breakdown: > > 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with table > based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs > 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge me > for pressing a few buttons > 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email but > who still want to work for me > 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly > developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an > understatement > 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford > 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t have a > portfolio > 1 nigerian scammer > > so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I > can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the > project is non-profit)---- I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said "originality is the art of concealing your sources" In other words...find a web site you like, copy the colors/design, download their css file and conceal your sources. Craig
Or use open source web design (http://www.oswd.org/) and give a link to a designer who needs a reference. Bill Craig White wrote:> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 14:07 +0100, Alan Bullock wrote: >> I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet >> to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? >> >> It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a >> little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on every >> page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere >> throughout your site. >> >> So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the jobs >> section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my >> breakdown: >> >> 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with table >> based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs >> 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge me >> for pressing a few buttons >> 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email but >> who still want to work for me >> 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly >> developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an >> understatement >> 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford >> 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t have a >> portfolio >> 1 nigerian scammer >> >> so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I >> can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the >> project is non-profit) > ---- > I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said "originality is the art of > concealing your sources" > > In other words...find a web site you like, copy the colors/design, > download their css file and conceal your sources. > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
> Why can''t you just do the design yourself ? > Check out the CSS - Discuss wiki. incutio something or other is the > url address. > There are also two sites that offer up open source css web templates. > A number of sites exist with things like layout calculators and other > tutorials for fancier things like drop boxes, css menus, etc.a variation on this might be, why don''t you do the xhtml/css yourself, and find a proper designer to give you just the design, rather than the template markup. they''re different skills. a designer could make it look good and improve usability, then deliver you the graphics and a simple description of the layout -- hex values for colors, padding around elements -- for you to implement. more work for you, but cheaper, and you''d be hiring for a specific skill rather than a harder-to-find combo. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
> I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet > to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? > > It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a > little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on every > page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere > throughout your site. >.....> > so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I > can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the > project is non-profit)Get in touch with your local art institute, community college, four year college, high school, etc and talk to some one in the graphic design department. Good chance their students need projects to do to graduate and/or need "work experience". And good chance they might do it for free (or for trade or something) just to get it on their resume... -philip
Also good - http://www.openwebdesign.org/. c. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 14:07, Alan Bullock wrote:> I''ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet > to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that? > > It''s a small project, they''d have to do the main design/layout, and then a > little custom styling for some specific elements which don''t appear on > every page. That''s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) > anywhere throughout your site. > > So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the jobs > section). I''ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here''s my > breakdown: > > 80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with > table based, flash ridden "eye catching" designs > 5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge me > for pressing a few buttons > 5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email but > who still want to work for me > 4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly > developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an > understatement > 3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford > 2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don''t have a > portfolio > 1 nigerian scammer > > so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I > can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the > project is non-profit) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/railsgive http://programmermeetdesigner.com/ a shot
Pete Wright wrote:>> i could need such a man, too, but i dont have any money to spend... >> thats even harder!> > heheh do what I did!! Find a great designer and marry her :) That sounds even *more* expensive. -- Devin Ben-Hur 503/860-4114 mailto:devin@ben-hur.net You may not have noticed, but we live in one of the safest, most peaceful, times in human history. In the US, the three leading causes of death are: killing yourself, killing yourself, and killing yourself <http://tinyurl.com/msxhq>. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.0/420 - Release Date: 8/16/2006
> so what''s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year > old to do? I can''t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a > dedicated jobs board (the project is non-profit)I think one response was really great: have the designer send you image comps and the hex numbers for the colors and you code-up the markup and CSS. It''s very pragmatic, no? I would like to add two other, hopefully helpful, suggestions: 1) Barter for services -- if I had the time, I''d gladly exchange some visual design work for a personal tutorial or two on RoR or something like that. Perhaps there''s a designer who needs help setting-up a blog and you can install and configure Typo for them? 2) Check out the communities that standards-savvy designers frequent: -- alistapart.com comes immediately to mind; -- perhaps post a question on the webdesign-l listserv; -- check out csszengarden.com, note the designers that you like and contact them or visit their web pages... You might find someone who''s willing to help for little cost And at the risk of getting too high up on my artsy-fartsy-designers-horse, for all but the most trivial of web apps, if you care about usability; if you care about presenting a well thought-out, elegant web application, do not "just" borrow someone else CSS files; or slap together some CSS-widgets onto a pre-made template. Web design is not just a pretty eye-candy layer over a bunch of code. The design of Basecamp, for example, is a very well-thought out design and not someone''s whim of colors and CSS-wizardry. </designer''s rant> :)