I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve purchased the books. But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 server errors. I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them until my contract is up. I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/f75852ca/attachment.html
If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com. On Aug 15, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Gene Horodecki wrote:> I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came > upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then > I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > purchased the books. > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. > 500 server errors. > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated > and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad > news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they > cannot install FastCGI. > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I > have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to > post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host > beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year > remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them > until my contract is up. > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing > in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote:> > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine on > netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a > quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have immersed > myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve purchased the books. > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > server errors. > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and having > trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated and called their > support. Their own support person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully > slow in their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few years > of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I have no choice > but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to > people.. Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop carefully. I > have the better part of a year remaining at netfirms and have no choice but > to continue with them until my contract is up. > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing in RoR, > unfortunately. So long for now. >I was developing an online auction site with a partner when we found out the domain we got was channel9news.com. We had to change our whole business model to be a news station, since the domain registration lasts all year! Watch out ;-) jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/577eddac/attachment.html
On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree <lists@rawb.net> wrote:> If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at > www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com.Read his post more carefully. He''s locked into a long-term contract.
Seems like there are few RoR hosts out there -- an additional $10/month or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder). Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
yeah just get a better host. code Rails apps for fun and make your next job a Rails thing. it''s worth it! On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree <lists@rawb.net> wrote:> If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at > www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com. > > On Aug 15, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Gene Horodecki wrote: > > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came > > upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then > > I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > > purchased the books. > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. > > 500 server errors. > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated > > and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad > > news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they > > cannot install FastCGI. > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I > > have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to > > post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host > > beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year > > remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them > > until my contract is up. > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing > > in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Yep. He''s locked in for some percentage of a year. To a company that doesn''t answer e-mail and won''t install FastCGI. Bill James Ludlow wrote:> On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree <lists@rawb.net> wrote: >> If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at >> www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com. > > Read his post more carefully. He''s locked into a long-term contract. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
just add the company into blanklist :-) On 8/16/06, William Grosso <wgrosso@wgrosso.com> wrote:> > > Yep. He''s locked in for some percentage of a year. To a company > that doesn''t answer e-mail and won''t install FastCGI. > > > Bill > > James Ludlow wrote: > > On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree <lists@rawb.net> wrote: > >> If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at > >> www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com. > > > > Read his post more carefully. He''s locked into a long-term contract. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/a3cbc87f/attachment.html
well at least look into www.codeigniter.com I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote:> > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine on > netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a > quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have immersed > myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve purchased the books. > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > server errors. > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and having > trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated and called their > support. Their own support person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully > slow in their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few years > of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I have no choice > but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to > people.. Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop carefully. I > have the better part of a year remaining at netfirms and have no choice but > to continue with them until my contract is up. > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing in RoR, > unfortunately. So long for now. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/e3a42149/attachment-0001.html
Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. I will look into this. Thanks! On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com> wrote:> > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine on > netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a > quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have immersed > myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve purchased the books. > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > server errors. > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and having > trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated and called their > support. Their own support person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully > slow in their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few years > of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I have no choice > but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to > people.. Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop carefully. I > have the better part of a year remaining at netfirms and have no choice but > to continue with them until my contract is up. > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing in RoR, > unfortunately. So long for now. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/acde7736/attachment.html
Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that thought. Also, PHP On TRAX (http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is supposedly closer to Rails. Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it since its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. Best wishes. - Brian On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote:> > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out there.. I > was looking at some last night but it was too overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I > didn''t see any one that stood out. I will look into this. Thanks! > > > On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine on > > netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a > > quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have immersed > > myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve purchased the books. > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > > server errors. > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and having > > trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated and called their > > support. Their own support person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully > > slow in their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few years > > of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I have no choice > > but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to > > people.. Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop carefully. I > > have the better part of a year remaining at netfirms and have no choice but > > to continue with them until my contract is up. > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing in > > RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/ad91cbed/attachment.html
I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS POST! Thanks for your support! I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, maybe in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, I have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for me and an idea that I had.. and I have to balance that against my family and my budget... Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. So far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it was. I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then I. Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good things about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! On 8/15/06, Brian Hutchison <b.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote:> > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and something > like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from scratch for you, then > perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that thought. > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is supposedly closer > to Rails. > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 year''s > worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to treat it as sunk > cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect your decision, but perhaps > this is still an option? I think Dreamhost offers hosting for something > like $22 a year if you find the right deals online? (hint: search > Slickdeals). I haven''t tried thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I > would mention it since its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > Best wishes. > > - Brian > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out there.. > > I was looking at some last night but it was too overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I > > didn''t see any one that stood out. I will look into this. Thanks! > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > > > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > > > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came upon > > > a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have > > > immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve purchased the books. > > > > > > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > > > server errors. > > > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > > > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated and > > > called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad news.. RoR > > > runs painfully slow in their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > > > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I have no > > > choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to post this as a > > > lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop > > > carefully. I have the better part of a year remaining at netfirms and have > > > no choice but to continue with them until my contract is up. > > > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing in > > > RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/b4e1a0fa/attachment-0001.html
In the world of really strange questions, can you sell the remainder of your year of PHP on e-bay and use the money to get rails hosting? Bill Gene Horodecki wrote:> > I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS > POST! > > Thanks for your support! > > I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, maybe > in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, I have to > come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for me and an idea > that I had.. and I have to balance that against my family and my budget... > > Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for > that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. So > far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it was. > > I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the > language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then I. > Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good things > about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. > > I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! > > > > On 8/15/06, *Brian Hutchison* < b.hutchison@gmail.com > <mailto:b.hutchison@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and > something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from > scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that > thought. > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is > supposedly closer to Rails. > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 > year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to > treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect > your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think > Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find > the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried > thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it since > its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > Best wishes. > > - Brian > > > On 8/15/06, *Gene Horodecki* <malibu66@gmail.com > <mailto:malibu66@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out > there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too > overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. > I will look into this. Thanks! > > > On 8/15/06, *Alexander Aguilar* <asdren@gmail.com > <mailto:asdren@gmail.com> > wrote: > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > <http://www.codeigniter.com> > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > On 8/15/06, *Gene Horodecki * <malibu66@gmail.com > <mailto:malibu66@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy > of mine on netfirms.com <http://netfirms.com>. I was > perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a quick-start > for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have > immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > purchased the books. > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on > netfirms. 500 server errors. > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now > and having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten > frustrated and called their support. Their own support > person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully slow in > their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in > my few years of web development that has felt EXACTLY > RIGHT. But now I have no choice but to return to page-based > PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to people.. > Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop > carefully. I have the better part of a year remaining at > netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them until > my contract is up. > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be > developing in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org <mailto:Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org <mailto:Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org <mailto:Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org <mailto:Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I would think it would be difficult to seperate my hosting from our main domain name that we opened the account with and that defines our project... Until our actual contract is up, that is. On 8/15/06, William Grosso <wgrosso@wgrosso.com> wrote:> > > In the world of really strange questions, can you sell the remainder of > your > year of PHP on e-bay and use the money to get rails hosting? > > > Bill > > Gene Horodecki wrote: > > > > I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS > > POST! > > > > Thanks for your support! > > > > I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, maybe > > in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, I have to > > come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for me and an idea > > that I had.. and I have to balance that against my family and my > budget... > > > > Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for > > that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. So > > far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it was. > > > > I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the > > language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then I. > > Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good things > > about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. > > > > I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, *Brian Hutchison* < b.hutchison@gmail.com > > <mailto:b.hutchison@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and > > something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from > > scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that > > thought. > > > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is > > supposedly closer to Rails. > > > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 > > year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to > > treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect > > your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think > > Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find > > the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried > > thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it since > > its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > - Brian > > > > > > On 8/15/06, *Gene Horodecki* <malibu66@gmail.com > > <mailto:malibu66@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out > > there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too > > overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. > > I will look into this. Thanks! > > > > > > On 8/15/06, *Alexander Aguilar* <asdren@gmail.com > > <mailto:asdren@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > > <http://www.codeigniter.com> > > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > > > On 8/15/06, *Gene Horodecki * <malibu66@gmail.com > > <mailto:malibu66@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy > > of mine on netfirms.com <http://netfirms.com>. I was > > perusing their knowledge base and I came upon a quick-start > > for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then I have > > immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > > purchased the books. > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on > > netfirms. 500 server errors. > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now > > and having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten > > frustrated and called their support. Their own support > > person gave me the bad news.. RoR runs painfully slow in > > their environment. No they cannot install FastCGI. > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in > > my few years of web development that has felt EXACTLY > > RIGHT. But now I have no choice but to return to page-based > > PHP. I just wanted to post this as a lesson to people.. > > Know what you need from a host beforehand and shop > > carefully. I have the better part of a year remaining at > > netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them until > > my contract is up. > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be > > developing in RoR, unfortunately. 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You''re making a mistake. No $amount of hosting is worth forcing yourself to code in a language you don''t want to use.
You''re probably right. I guess my hesitance to go with another host at this point is because I really don''t want to throw good money after bad. Will dreamhost run a RoR site with a reasonable response? What about textdrive? Oo.. There''s a google add for $97 off at dreamhost.. Is dreamhost good for RoR? On 8/15/06, Charlie Bowman <charlesmbowman@gmail.com> wrote:> > You''re making a mistake. No $amount of hosting is worth forcing > yourself to code in a language you don''t want to use. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/c0e24e7c/attachment.html
DreamHost is only $9/year with the "777" coupon. On Aug 15, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Gene Horodecki wrote:> > I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF > THIS POST! > > Thanks for your support! > > I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, > maybe in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, > I have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for > me and an idea that I had.. and I have to balance that against my > family and my budget... > > Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for > that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. > So far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it > was. > > I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the > language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then > I. Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good > things about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. > > I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! > > > > On 8/15/06, Brian Hutchison < b.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote: > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and > something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from > scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that > thought. > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is > supposedly closer to Rails. > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 > year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to > treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect > your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think > Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find > the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried > thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it > since its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > Best wishes. > > - Brian > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out > there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too > overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. I > will look into this. Thanks! > > > On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com > wrote: > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came > upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then > I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > purchased the books. > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. > 500 server errors. > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated > and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad > news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they > cannot install FastCGI. > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I > have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to > post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host > beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year > remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them > until my contract is up. > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing > in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
The 777 coupon is no longer valid, as far as I know... If you want the max discount, you can use this code: FIDGET97, it will get you $97 off any yearly plan NOTE: That is my referral code, but I do not receive any money from it--I set it up to give you all the money off, not me--you won''t get a better deal than that (and if you don''t want to use my code, just google "dreamhost discount" and you''ll find plenty of sites with codes -Kyle On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree <lists@rawb.net> wrote:> > DreamHost is only $9/year with the "777" coupon. > > On Aug 15, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Gene Horodecki wrote: > > > > > I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF > > THIS POST! > > > > Thanks for your support! > > > > I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, > > maybe in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, > > I have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for > > me and an idea that I had.. and I have to balance that against my > > family and my budget... > > > > Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for > > that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. > > So far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it > > was. > > > > I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the > > language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then > > I. Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good > > things about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. > > > > I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Brian Hutchison < b.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and > > something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from > > scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that > > thought. > > > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is > > supposedly closer to Rails. > > > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 > > year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to > > treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect > > your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think > > Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find > > the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried > > thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it > > since its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > - Brian > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out > > there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too > > overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. I > > will look into this. Thanks! > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com > wrote: > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came > > upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then > > I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > > purchased the books. > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. > > 500 server errors. > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated > > and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad > > news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they > > cannot install FastCGI. > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I > > have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to > > post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host > > beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year > > remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them > > until my contract is up. > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing > > in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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777 is no longer active. Best I can find is $22/year with DHS.. Does dreamhost do RoR well? On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree <lists@rawb.net> wrote:> > DreamHost is only $9/year with the "777" coupon. > > On Aug 15, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Gene Horodecki wrote: > > > > > I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF > > THIS POST! > > > > Thanks for your support! > > > > I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, > > maybe in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, > > I have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for > > me and an idea that I had.. and I have to balance that against my > > family and my budget... > > > > Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for > > that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. > > So far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it > > was. > > > > I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the > > language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then > > I. Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good > > things about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. > > > > I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Brian Hutchison < b.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and > > something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from > > scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that > > thought. > > > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is > > supposedly closer to Rails. > > > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 > > year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to > > treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect > > your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think > > Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find > > the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried > > thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it > > since its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > - Brian > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out > > there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too > > overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. I > > will look into this. Thanks! > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com > wrote: > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came > > upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then > > I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > > purchased the books. > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. > > 500 server errors. > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated > > and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad > > news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they > > cannot install FastCGI. > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I > > have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to > > post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host > > beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year > > remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them > > until my contract is up. > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing > > in RoR, unfortunately. So long for now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lol.. Thank you very much! That''s what the DHS code is.. $97 off, or $22 / year On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote:> > 777 is no longer active. Best I can find is $22/year with DHS.. > > Does dreamhost do RoR well? > > On 8/15/06, Rob Gabaree < lists@rawb.net> wrote: > > > DreamHost is only $9/year with the "777" coupon. > > > > On Aug 15, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Gene Horodecki wrote: > > > > > > > > I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR NOT PUTTING AN [OT] AT THE BEGINNING OF > > > THIS POST! > > > > > > Thanks for your support! > > > > > > I have to admit, I am very tempted to eat the loss. I''m not sure, > > > maybe in the coming days I will. As passionate as I am about this, > > > I have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hobby for > > > me and an idea that I had.. and I have to balance that against my > > > family and my budget... > > > > > > Now if I can find Dreamhost for $22 a year I would certainly go for > > > that.. Is Dreamhost good for RoR? I''ve seen it mentioned around. > > > So far the cheapest I''ve seen is $99 a year.. textdrive I think it > > > was. > > > > > > I''m expert at Perl but the buddy I''m working with doesn''t know the > > > language at all. We''re pretty good at PHP, he is alittle more then > > > I. Neither of us know Python, though I have been hearing very good > > > things about it. At this point it would be a bit of a leap. > > > > > > I will try slickdeals to see what I can see. Thanks for the advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Brian Hutchison < b.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and > > > something like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from > > > scratch for you, then perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that > > > thought. > > > > > > Also, PHP On TRAX ( http://www.phpontrax.com/) might be an easier > > > contextual shift for you within the PHP realm since it is > > > supposedly closer to Rails. > > > > > > Its too bad that the benefit of RoR doesn''t exceed the cost of 1 > > > year''s worth of hosting for you. If it was me, I''d be tempted to > > > treat it as sunk cost and move my domain somewhere else. I respect > > > your decision, but perhaps this is still an option? I think > > > Dreamhost offers hosting for something like $22 a year if you find > > > the right deals online? (hint: search Slickdeals). I haven''t tried > > > thar route, I''m on TextDrive, but I thought I would mention it > > > since its a potential low-cost out to your dilemma. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - Brian > > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki < malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out > > > there.. I was looking at some last night but it was too > > > overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I didn''t see any one that stood out. I > > > will look into this. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Alexander Aguilar <asdren@gmail.com > wrote: > > > well at least look into www.codeigniter.com > > > I''d say it''s the best of the php mvc frameworks > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I started a php-based website a few months ago with a buddy of mine > > > on netfirms.com. I was perusing their knowledge base and I came > > > upon a quick-start for something called Ruby on Rails. Since then > > > I have immersed myself in RoR. I''ve done the tutorials, I''ve > > > purchased the books. > > > > > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. > > > 500 server errors. > > > > > > I''ve been dealing with their email support for two weeks now and > > > having trouble getting a response. Finally I''ve gotten frustrated > > > and called their support. Their own support person gave me the bad > > > news.. RoR runs painfully slow in their environment. No they > > > cannot install FastCGI. > > > > > > I am heartbroken. RoR is the first thing I''ve come upon in my few > > > years of web development that has felt EXACTLY RIGHT. But now I > > > have no choice but to return to page-based PHP. I just wanted to > > > post this as a lesson to people.. Know what you need from a host > > > beforehand and shop carefully. I have the better part of a year > > > remaining at netfirms and have no choice but to continue with them > > > until my contract is up. > > > > > > I''ll still be around on the mailing list, but won''t be developing > > > in RoR, unfortunately. 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NetFirms is $10/month?!? Jeez, splurge a little for another host that offers Rails. I spend hundreds of dollars a month for dedicated servers... Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Well.. I could go into a lengthy explaination of my situation but I won''t.. The crux of it is that through whatever combinations of salary / living expenses we have.. I don''t have hundreds of dollars to throw at servers like you do. Especially for a site that might not make money at all. I wish I did, but I just don''t. On 8/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:> > NetFirms is $10/month?!? Jeez, splurge a little for another host that > offers Rails. I spend hundreds of dollars a month for dedicated > servers... > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/2fd87722/attachment-0001.html
Woo! I got the dreamhost account. I might be in business after all! Thanks guys! You''ve sure shown me another quality that will make RoR great.. The awesome community! On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote:> > Well.. I could go into a lengthy explaination of my situation but I > won''t.. The crux of it is that through whatever combinations of salary / > living expenses we have.. I don''t have hundreds of dollars to throw at > servers like you do. Especially for a site that might not make money at > all. I wish I did, but I just don''t. > > > On 8/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > NetFirms is $10/month?!? Jeez, splurge a little for another host that > > offers Rails. I spend hundreds of dollars a month for dedicated > > servers... > > > > Joe > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/da45be95/attachment.html
> You''re probably right. I guess my hesitance to go with another host at this > point is because I really don''t want to throw good money after bad. Will > dreamhost run a RoR site with a reasonable response? What about textdrive?railsplayground is *cheap*, and their service is excellent. i have two sites hosted there (one in production) and recommend them highly. http://railsplayground.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
On 8/16/06, Brian Hutchison <b.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote:> Rather than drop all the way back to PHP, what about Python and something > like TurboGears or Django? If that''s starting from scratch for you, then > perhaps not worth it but I wanted to add that thought.I personally would rather point out Catalyst (http://www.catalystframework.org/) as an alternative if you are unable to do RoR work. Even though it''s younger it''s still pretty solid (apart from a rather boring install. CPAN is not my friend) A good and fair comparison is available here. http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/wiki/VersusRails It doesn''t beat Rails. But there are a few things there I wish were in Rails. Like a lot better testing and debugging system. -- -------------- Jon Gretar Borgthorsson http://www.jongretar.net/
Thank you one and all.. I went with Dreamhost. This year will cost me $22.50! On 8/15/06, Joe Ruby <joeat303@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Seems like there are few RoR hosts out there -- an additional $10/month > or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder). > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/9fe19c04/attachment-0001.html
On 8/15/06, Gene Horodecki <malibu66@gmail.com> wrote:> Thank you, I will! There''s a lot of MVC frameworks for PHP out there.. I > was looking at some last night but it was too overwhelming.. Of the 50+ I > didn''t see any one that stood out. I will look into this. Thanks!Gene, Have you looked at CakePHP [1] ? It seems to be a very RoR-like archetecture. If you are forced to use PHP, then at least when and if you port to Rails, you won''t be far off the mark. Ed [1] http://cakephp.org/ -- Ed Howland http://greenprogrammer.blogspot.com
Rob Gabaree wrote:> If you need quality hosting for Rails I would look at > www.textdrive.com or www.planetargon.com...cough...hack... Textdrive? Textdrive!?! Surely you jest sir. Planet Argon, sure. Textdrive? The most unstable Rails host out there...I think not. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Joe Ruby wrote:> or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder). >Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie: multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system, but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Personally, I didn''t want to bash either.. I understand that PHP has it''s uses but it just so happens my current application is much better with RoR. I was surprised at the negative reaction I got towards PHP though! It is kind of an awkard language.. My biggest beef with it is the lack of convention in the function names. Gives it a patched together feel. Underscores here, no underscores there, verb first, verb last, et al.. But I have used it and will probably use it again. Whatever works! On 8/16/06, Randy Bruce <randypiper@hotmail.com> wrote:> > Joe Ruby wrote: > > or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder). > > > > Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its > great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie: > multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas > that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system, > but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord > becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot. > > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/2263da81/attachment.html
On 8/16/06, Randy Bruce <randypiper@hotmail.com> wrote:> Joe Ruby wrote: > > or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder). > > > > Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its > great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie: > multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas > that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system, > but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord > becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot.PHP also has an edge if you''re trying to build a site that revolves around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB, hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages into one application. I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it''s the right tool for the job I''m going to use it. -- James
Gene Horodecki wrote:> But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > server errors.Is your application finished? Maybe it will take you a year to get finished? Develop it on your own computer using Rails. You may want to consider taking Netfirms as a loss if you can''t get your money back. Sometimes it''s worth it, if it means making the right choice. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> PHP also has an edge if you''re trying to build a site that revolves > around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB, > hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages > into one application. > > I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it''s the right tool > for the job I''m going to use it.Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/ -- Rick Olson http://weblog.techno-weenie.net http://mephistoblog.com
On 8/16/06, Rick Olson <technoweenie@gmail.com> wrote:> > PHP also has an edge if you''re trying to build a site that revolves > > around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB, > > hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages > > into one application. > > > > I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it''s the right tool > > for the job I''m going to use it. > > Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/Did I say that they were? PHP has a big head start on message board systems that users are familiar with. It''s also not difficult to integrate these into a larger site. The link that you gave is appreciated but your attitude is not. -- James
It will take about six weeks to get fun.. We''re rebuilding a site we did already in PHP which is running on netfirms. It might never be ''done''. We want it public ASAP. At it''s core it''s very simple. On 8/16/06, James Earl <james@icionline.ca> wrote:> > Gene Horodecki wrote: > > But, I could never get even a sample RoR app to work on netfirms. 500 > > server errors. > > Is your application finished? Maybe it will take you a year to get > finished? Develop it on your own computer using Rails. You may want to > consider taking Netfirms as a loss if you can''t get your money back. > Sometimes it''s worth it, if it means making the right choice. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060816/26323ead/attachment.html
On 8/16/06, Rick Olson <technoweenie@gmail.com> wrote:> > PHP also has an edge if you''re trying to build a site that revolves > > around a message board. You can take an existing app, like phpBB, > > hook into its session management, and then stitch other custom pages > > into one application. > > > > I personally do not like working with PHP, but if it''s the right tool > > for the job I''m going to use it. > > Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/Word, that''s crazy talk. phpBB is the most heinous abomination since Dr. Phil. It''s almost a crime against humanity. Opinion''s a good Rails forum too. -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Rick Olson wrote:> Yea, because forums are tough in rails: http://beast.caboo.se/Dude that''s awesome! LOL! Where was this project six months ago?! Hehe... Thanks for sharing. :) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Randy Bruce wrote:> Joe Ruby wrote: >> or so would be worth it as opposed to going back to PHP (shudder). >> > > Why do people bash PHP? Its a great tool, just like any other. Its > great to tie into complex systems where Rails would be a pain (ie: > multiple existing databases of all sorts, with already defined schemas > that your not able to modify). Rails can be hooked into legacy system, > but not very well, a lot of the whiz bang cool stuff in ActiveRecord > becomes manual pains. PHP has the edge here by a long shot.Bleh, I don''t consider PHP a great tool, except maybe for some basic stuff. But then I would prefer Ruby anyhow, marginal performance penalty nonwithstanding. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Gene, To answer your poll of who has experience with Dreamhost, I had started learning RoR by installing everything local on my powerbook. Things were going great. Through following the various online tutorials, I now had a blog app, cooking recipe app, and the beginnings of a depot online store. (woo hoo) However, after I found out about capistrano and subversion, I decided to setup a domain on dreamhost and get the overall sense of what it''s like to interact with RoR versioning in a remote server environment. I am very satisfied so far with my choice to ''go live'' with nothing more than test apps in order to learn RoR. Dreamhost makes it pretty easy to setup different sub-domains for each of my test apps. ie.blog.mydomain.com, depot.mydomain.com etc... I would not want to wait until after my uber-cool-next-big-thing app was finished locally and THEN go down the ''make it work on the server'' road for the first time. I may create future apps locally and then setup the hosting towards the end of development, but it somehow feels more complete now to be able to learn RoR and upload to see it live, even if it''s not a public app. Kudos on finding the discount and hooking up with Dreamhost. By the way, now that you know how to get the Dreamhost account for little $$$, you can purchase new domain names for $2.95 at ipowerweb.com and point their DNS to your Dreamhost accounts. I think I spent a total of $15 to get the domain name and hosting for a year. I don''t know anyone who couldn''t aford that. -=Randy -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Randy wrote: "purchase new domain names for $2.95 at ipowerweb.com" I guess they recently upped that price to $6.50. -=Randy -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I''d like to recommend another great host (we have two sites hosted with them - tmpanime.com and tmpforums.com) that also offers Rails support - bluehost @ www.bluehost.com (they offer a one-size fits all plan which is $6.95/month and I haven''t found anything that beats the value and service). We''ve used them for the last 2 years and they''ve been fabulous. I hope this isn''t sounding too much like an ad considering I''m very new to this group, but it is an honest testimony. I''m completely new to Rails (and thus to this group) and I was pleasantly surprised to find that our current host offered Rails. Best Regards, Tamim Gene Horodecki wrote:> Woo! I got the dreamhost account. I might be in business after all! > > Thanks guys! You''ve sure shown me another quality that will make RoR > great.. The awesome community! > > On 8/15/06, *Gene Horodecki* <malibu66@gmail.com > <mailto:malibu66@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Well.. I could go into a lengthy explaination of my situation but > I won''t.. The crux of it is that through whatever combinations of > salary / living expenses we have.. I don''t have hundreds of > dollars to throw at servers like you do. Especially for a site > that might not make money at all. I wish I did, but I just don''t. > > > On 8/15/06, *Joe Ruby* < joeat303@yahoo.com > <mailto:joeat303@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > NetFirms is $10/month?!? Jeez, splurge a little for another > host that > offers Rails. I spend hundreds of dollars a month for dedicated > servers... > > Joe > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org <mailto:Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Hey Gene, I''m considering setting up a Dreamhost account but could you tell me where I can find rails application and capistrano install information for this hosting company? Gotta go and thanks in advance. -Conrad On 8/18/06, Randy Walker <randy@cleverdaddy.com> wrote:> > Gene, > To answer your poll of who has experience with Dreamhost, I had started > learning RoR by installing everything local on my powerbook. Things > were going great. Through following the various online tutorials, I now > had a blog app, cooking recipe app, and the beginnings of a depot online > store. (woo hoo) However, after I found out about capistrano and > subversion, I decided to setup a domain on dreamhost and get the overall > sense of what it''s like to interact with RoR versioning in a remote > server environment. I am very satisfied so far with my choice to ''go > live'' with nothing more than test apps in order to learn RoR. > Dreamhost makes it pretty easy to setup different sub-domains for each > of my test apps. ie.blog.mydomain.com, depot.mydomain.com etc... I > would not want to wait until after my uber-cool-next-big-thing app was > finished locally and THEN go down the ''make it work on the server'' road > for the first time. I may create future apps locally and then setup the > hosting towards the end of development, but it somehow feels more > complete now to be able to learn RoR and upload to see it live, even if > it''s not a public app. > > Kudos on finding the discount and hooking up with Dreamhost. > By the way, now that you know how to get the Dreamhost account for > little $$$, you can purchase new domain names for $2.95 at ipowerweb.com > and point their DNS to your Dreamhost accounts. I think I spent a > total of $15 to get the domain name and hosting for a year. I don''t > know anyone who couldn''t aford that. > > -=Randy > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060818/9f65a712/attachment-0001.html
Dreamhost has a wiki that is quite useful. There is a Rails Quickstart page and a Capistrano page (don''t know if it''s members only or not): http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Rails http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Capistrano The rails page I found quite useful but I haven''t done Capistrano so I can''t speak to the usefulness of that page. Subversion was such a headache (not because of Dreamhost), I just want to do some coding for awhile before I config anything else! On 8/18/06, Conrad Taylor <conradwt@gmail.com> wrote:> > Hey Gene, I''m considering setting up a Dreamhost account but could you > tell > me where I can find rails application and capistrano install information > for this > hosting company? Gotta go and thanks in advance. > > -Conrad > > > On 8/18/06, Randy Walker <randy@cleverdaddy.com> wrote: > > > > Gene, > > To answer your poll of who has experience with Dreamhost, I had started > > learning RoR by installing everything local on my powerbook. Things > > were going great. Through following the various online tutorials, I now > > > > had a blog app, cooking recipe app, and the beginnings of a depot online > > store. (woo hoo) However, after I found out about capistrano and > > subversion, I decided to setup a domain on dreamhost and get the overall > > > > sense of what it''s like to interact with RoR versioning in a remote > > server environment. I am very satisfied so far with my choice to ''go > > live'' with nothing more than test apps in order to learn RoR. > > Dreamhost makes it pretty easy to setup different sub-domains for each > > of my test apps. ie.blog.mydomain.com, depot.mydomain.com etc... I > > would not want to wait until after my uber-cool-next-big-thing app was > > finished locally and THEN go down the ''make it work on the server'' road > > for the first time. I may create future apps locally and then setup the > > hosting towards the end of development, but it somehow feels more > > complete now to be able to learn RoR and upload to see it live, even if > > it''s not a public app. > > > > Kudos on finding the discount and hooking up with Dreamhost. > > By the way, now that you know how to get the Dreamhost account for > > little $$$, you can purchase new domain names for $2.95 at ipowerweb.com > > and point their DNS to your Dreamhost accounts. I think I spent a > > total of $15 to get the domain name and hosting for a year. I don''t > > know anyone who couldn''t aford that. > > > > -=Randy > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060818/31d10fb0/attachment.html
I''ve had good results with A2Hosting.com. just saying. yb Gene Horodecki wrote:> Dreamhost has a wiki that is quite useful. There is a Rails Quickstart > page > and a Capistrano page (don''t know if it''s members only or not): > > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Rails > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Capistrano > > The rails page I found quite useful but I haven''t done Capistrano so I > can''t > speak to the usefulness of that page. > > Subversion was such a headache (not because of Dreamhost), I just want > to do > some coding for awhile before I config anything else!-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 16-aug-2006, at 17:05, Randy Bruce wrote:> Why do people bash PHP?Because after tasting Ruby it feels like underperl, and coding PHP after Ruby is like putting on a straightjacket. -- Julian ''Julik'' Tarkhanov please send all personal mail to me at julik.nl