Folks:
I''ve uplaoded the B1.05 version of AWDwR. It fixes a number of
reported errata (and a few that weren''t reported :), and
adds two significant changes:
1. It now uses the new Active Record decimal -> BigDecimal
conversion. I''ve personally been waiting for this for a long
time, and I''m really happy it''s now part of core. However,
this code is not yet part of a released Gem, so if you want to
use the feature, you''ll need to install Edge Rails. This change
affects the entire Depot application, the Testing chapter,
and numerous examples in the Active Record chapters. Speaking
of which...
2. I''ve now reworked the Active Record chapters. You''ll find
there''s
a brand new chapter (making three Acctive Record chapters in all),
and things have moved around a lot. I''ve documented all the
new association methods, changes to validation, and have new
sections on with_scope and polymorphic associations. I believe these
new chapters are now more up-to-date than the Rails documentation
itself.
Sorry it has taken so long---Active Record is complex, and I''d
forgotten how
long it takes to work through it.
Cheers
Dave
That settles it, I''m upgrading my first edition right away... :) On 7/21/06, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:> Folks: > > I''ve uplaoded the B1.05 version of AWDwR. It fixes a number of > reported errata (and a few that weren''t reported :), and > adds two significant changes: > > 1. It now uses the new Active Record decimal -> BigDecimal > conversion. I''ve personally been waiting for this for a long > time, and I''m really happy it''s now part of core. However, > this code is not yet part of a released Gem, so if you want to > use the feature, you''ll need to install Edge Rails. This change > affects the entire Depot application, the Testing chapter, > and numerous examples in the Active Record chapters. Speaking > of which... > > 2. I''ve now reworked the Active Record chapters. You''ll find there''s > a brand new chapter (making three Acctive Record chapters in all), > and things have moved around a lot. I''ve documented all the > new association methods, changes to validation, and have new > sections on with_scope and polymorphic associations. I believe these > new chapters are now more up-to-date than the Rails documentation > itself. > > Sorry it has taken so long---Active Record is complex, and I''d > forgotten how > long it takes to work through it. > > Cheers > > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Dave Thomas wrote:> Folks: > > I''ve uplaoded the B1.05 version of AWDwR. It fixes a number of > reported errata (and a few that weren''t reported :), and > adds two significant changes:This is why I like you. Keep up the great work. Bill -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Superb! Any idea when we''ll be able to hold this in our hands? Having the PDF as it is written is great so we can keep up with new Rails features. But I really do prefer reading about it on paper.
Is this refering the 2nd edition AWDwR, or does B1.05 refer to the 1st Edition? Thanks for the clarification. -Larry On 7/21/06, Cynthia Kiser <cynthia.kiser@gmail.com> wrote:> > Superb! Any idea when we''ll be able to hold this in our hands? Having > the PDF as it is written is great so we can keep up with new Rails > features. But I really do prefer reading about it on paper. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Best Regards, -Larry "Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative." --- E.Taft Benson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/202a4ec1/attachment-0001.html
I''ve got the update and it''s clearly the 2nd edition. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Larry Kelly wrote:> Is this refering the 2nd edition AWDwR, or does B1.05 refer to the > 1st Edition?Sorry, I should have made it clear that this is the second edition, which is in beta. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/304d812e/attachment.html
On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:39 AM, Cynthia Kiser wrote:> Superb! Any idea when we''ll be able to hold this in our hands? Having > the PDF as it is written is great so we can keep up with new Rails > features. But I really do prefer reading about it on paper.I''d love to hold it in my hands, too... :) I''m about 2/3rds the may through the revision: so far about 700-800 hours in. I''m hoping that it will start going a little bit faster, but to some extent I''m at the mercy of the core team and the new features they add. The BigDecimal change, for example, took about 20 hours to apply. SimplyRestful will be a big one, too. One of the nice things about the beta PDF is that I ca release stuff incrementally like this. I''m still hoping for the book to be done in the fall. Dave
<...>> The BigDecimal change, for example, took about 20 > hours to apply. SimplyRestful will be a big one, too.Am I right thinking that 2nd edition targets Rails 1.2? Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/
On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote:> > Am I right thinking that 2nd edition targets Rails 1.2?With BigDecimal, I went slightly ahead of the curve, as it''s a feature not in 1.1. However it was important enough that I felt I had to include it, and then assume that 1.2 would be out fairly soon. Cheers Dave
I am somewhat dissapointed to hear that the extensivity of the documentation is now going into the near "official" book rather than into the manual itself? I understand the marketing of it, the book is better than the docs, but should it be? Would be excellent to hear someone so close to the core-team be able to muster the ability to get the new information available to all. -NSHB On 7/21/06, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:> 2. I''ve now reworked the Active Record chapters. You''ll find there''s > a brand new chapter (making three Acctive Record chapters in all), > and things have moved around a lot. I''ve documented all the > new association methods, changes to validation, and have new > sections on with_scope and polymorphic associations. I believe these > new chapters are now more up-to-date than the Rails documentation > itself. >-- Kind regards, Nathaniel Brown President & CEO Inimit Innovations Inc. - http://inimit.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/bdacc62b/attachment-0001.html
On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Nathaniel Brown wrote:> I am somewhat dissapointed to hear that the extensivity of the > documentation is now going into the near "official" book rather > than into the manual itself? I understand the marketing of it, the > book is better than the docs, but should it be? Would be excellent > to hear someone so close to the core-team be able to muster the > ability to get the new information available to all.I''m not sure you should take it this way: this isn''t a marketing issue. I''s simply that the core team are busy, and some of the RDoc has not yet been updated to reflect changes they''ve made. When I updated the book, I read the source code and extracted APIs and behaviors from it. This isn''t a sinister plot: I just worked hard to make the book useful. Remember also that AWDwR is not intended to be an API reference. For the API, you need the RDoc. And I''m sure the core team would value folks helping to keep that up to date. Cheers Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/216e06ea/attachment-0001.html
+1 I agree. I''ve purchased AWDwR ( 1.0) and other Ruby/Rails books to understand how to use the methodology better, and will probably get the AWDwR 2.0 Betabook as well ''cause that''s where the information is. But, I think I''m like a lot of people who are trying to use a changing system. The first place I expect to find documentation on a new feature is in the manual. I look to the books for clarifications, explanations, tutorials, recipies, tips and tricks, best practices, etc. In essence, the manual should at least describe what it is. Please take this in the spirit in which it was given. A commentary, and opinion, and some wishfull thinking. -Larry On 7/22/06, Nathaniel Brown <nshb@inimit.com> wrote:> > I am somewhat dissapointed to hear that the extensivity of the > documentation is now going into the near "official" book rather than into > the manual itself? I understand the marketing of it, the book is better than > the docs, but should it be? Would be excellent to hear someone so close to > the core-team be able to muster the ability to get the new information > available to all. > > -NSHB > > On 7/21/06, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote: > > > 2. I''ve now reworked the Active Record chapters. You''ll find there''s > > a brand new chapter (making three Acctive Record chapters in all), > > and things have moved around a lot. I''ve documented all the > > new association methods, changes to validation, and have new > > sections on with_scope and polymorphic associations. I believe these > > new chapters are now more up-to-date than the Rails documentation > > itself. > > > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Nathaniel Brown > President & CEO > Inimit Innovations Inc. - http://inimit.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- Best Regards, -Larry "Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative." --- E.Taft Benson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/9462cf5b/attachment.html
I''ve been looking through the latest rev and it looks great! I''m also gratified to hear that you are going to include SimplyRestful and other "ahead of the curve" concepts. I''m very keen on ways that make consuming (and providing) REST services even easier. Will Active Resource make it into this edition at all or is that too far ahead of the curve? On 7/22/06, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:> > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: > > > > > Am I right thinking that 2nd edition targets Rails 1.2? > > With BigDecimal, I went slightly ahead of the curve, as it''s a > feature not in 1.1. However it was important enough that I felt I had > to include it, and then assume that 1.2 would be out fairly soon. > > Cheers > > > Dave >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/610a401f/attachment.html
On Jul 22, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Larry Kelly wrote:> But, I think I''m like a lot of people who are trying to use a > changing system. The first place I expect to find documentation on > a new feature is in the manual. I look to the books for > clarifications, explanations, tutorials, recipies, tips and tricks, > best practices, etc. In essence, the manual should at least > describe what it is. > > Please take this in the spirit in which it was given. A > commentary, and opinion, and some wishfull thinking.I agree 100%, but I''m not a Rails committer, and have no control over what goes into the API documentation. I''m in the same boat as you when it comes to learning what''s new. I just try to document stuff as I find it. Cheers Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/cf26875e/attachment.html
On Jul 22, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Brian Hutchison wrote:> I''ve been looking through the latest rev and it looks great! I''m > also gratified to hear that you are going to include SimplyRestful > and other "ahead of the curve" concepts. I''m very keen on ways that > make consuming (and providing) REST services even easier. Will > Active Resource make it into this edition at all or is that too far > ahead of the curve?I''m not sure: my main concern is not to be wrong: if I document the API, and then it changes a month later after the book''s in print, that''s bad (it happened to me with the 1st edition testing chapter when they changed the defaults). So I''ll take a view on the stability as I get closer to documenting it. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060722/f126c0b7/attachment.html
I just want to say a big thank you for all the stuff Dave has written for the ruby/rails community. It would be great to have better api docs but they don;t come for free. Really going through the source and documenting it in as much detail as Dave is doing just doesn''t happen for free. It requires hundreds of hours to write a book (trust me;) and as fast as rails changes its hard to keep it as consistent and up to date as Dave is doing with AWD. Bravo Dave! And thanks! Cheers- -Ezra
On Jul 22, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Ezra Zygmuntowicz wrote:> I just want to say a big thank you for all the stuff Dave has > written for the ruby/rails community.+1 eh, rather... +5 -- -- Tom Mornini
> I''m about 2/3rds the may through the revision: so far about 700-800 hours in.Wow. That''s almost a half-year''s full-time work. And it seems to have happened in a lot less time than 6 months. I will echo Ezra''s statement above - thanks for your hard work! It''s no wonder the Prag Prog books are great. -TJ
Dave, How can I verify my copy is the latest? I have a copy on PC at work, my laptop and flash drive. I don''t know which one is the latest. Thank you! --- Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:> > I''m not sure: my main concern is not to be wrong: if I document the > API, and then it changes a month later after the book''s in print, > that''s bad (it happened to me with the 1st edition testing chapter > when they changed the defaults). So I''ll take a view on the > stability as I get closer to documenting it. > > > Dave> _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On Jul 27, 2006, at 12:27 AM, Bala Paranj wrote:> Dave, How can I verify my copy is the latest? I have a copy on PC > at work, my laptop and flash > drive. I don''t know which one is the latest. Thank you!At the bottom of the 4th page of my PDF, there is a version number and a date. Mine reads: B1.05 printing, July 21, 2006 Version: 2006-7-21 Compare that with what you find at the top of this web page: http://books.pragprog.com/titles/rails2/errata Regards, Craig