Well, I wanted to mention my early rails application(in the event I stop working on it). At present it is a link blog, you post a link and now we have a listing of links from different users. Ideally, it has been a week or two. On rails in general, it is really nice, you want to add an action or update a model, you just do it as opposed to wrapping something in 10 layers of XML. The naming convention is easy to get used to, also makes a lot of sense so there is no reason to fight it. I am finding some interesting plugins, I just have to find time to integrate them, I liked the login generator. Anyway: http://www.newspiritcompany.com:8086/universe_home -- Berlin Brown (ramaza3 on freenode) http://www.newspiritcompany.com also checkout alpha version of botverse: http://www.newspiritcompany.com:8086/universe_home