Greetings, I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? Thanks, Jeremy http://lifewithchrist.org <--- being rewritten in RoR
I think its because its a nice Mac-like GUI with a shell-oriented expandibility that attracts many people. You can easily develop highly efficient workflows tailored to the way you develop your application. Plus it comes with lots of useful bundles including the rails snippets. It certainly is not for everyone. Even for me personally while I recognize its power and generally like it I probably don''t capitalize on it nearly enough to make up for some things I miss in a tool with an integrated graphical debugger, like Arachno. On 3/29/06, Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy@cowgar.com> wrote:> Greetings, > > I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for > rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I > do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but > other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. > > Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am > missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better > than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get > things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > http://lifewithchrist.org <--- being rewritten in RoR > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Jeremy Huffman http://www.jeremyhuffman.com
Jon Gretar Borgthorsson
2006-Mar-30 01:37 UTC
[Rails] TextMate for Rails development -- why?
I have just found it to be the best one. The autocomplete/snippets are maybe something other editors do as well but I found TextMate to be the best. The shortcut to close the tag saves me loads of time. And the ability to open directories into project from shell is just great. And I can''t say how much time it saves me to be able to drag js, css or other types of files into the code and it automatically creates the include tag. Selecting text and pressing the quotes tag to encircle it is great. It''s just the total numbers of those nice little things. And yet still manage to be simplistic, stylish and fast. But what editor has more powerful snippet system? On 3/30/06, Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy@cowgar.com> wrote:> Greetings, > > I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for > rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I > do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but > other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. > > Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am > missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better > than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get > things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > http://lifewithchrist.org <--- being rewritten in RoR > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- -------------- Jon Gretar Borgthorsson http://www.jongretar.net/
On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote:> I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for > rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I > do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but > other editors do the same thing, some with much more power.Much more power? Do tell... I''m not particularly arguing, but I''d love to hear how you judge the "power" of a text editor.> Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am > missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better > than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get > things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed?Small, fast, cheap, live file browser (with creation and renaming) and well supported, particularly so for Rails: http://blog.oaklandcutlery.com/articles/2006/01/12/tddmate http://blog.inquirylabs.com/2006/02/11/textmate-backtracer-10/ http://feldpost.com/lighthaus/textmate_rails.pdf http://syncpeople.com/downloads/syncpeople_on_rails_features -- -- Tom Mornini
> > But what editor has more powerful snippet system? >emacs? The point with Textmate isn''t just that it "has a snippet system" - it''s that it has _great_ Ruby/Rails support out of the box. You could easily make emacs behave in a similar way, but you''d need to code it up yourself. Regarding snippets: I don''t really see what "extra power" you''d need in a text editor for rails. Other things that it has bar snippets: a really impressive live html view, decent macro recording, very accurate code highlighting, code folding, the command-T "jump to file" function, great support, great pricetag. On the Mac, BBEdit used to be editor of choice. BBEdit is very good - and it''s also $200. Textmate is ?39, which is an absolute steal. It also has a great support community. In short: it feels right. Bar for pure XHTML/CSS and PHP (for which I still prefer skEdit) I do most writing and coding in Textmate. It''s a great product - and it has undergone staggering development since its original, cranky versions. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060330/83f1e797/attachment.html
>> I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for >> rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. >> I do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, >> but other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. > > Much more power? Do tell...Well, Vim has just as much power in snipplets and Emacs does everything TextMate does in snipplets plus gives you the ability to run lisp code in certain portions of your snipplets opening up a whole host of things that can be done.> I''m not particularly arguing, but I''d love to hear how you > judge the "power" of a text editor. >One thing I really like in editors is the ability to record temporary keyboard macros, ease of extendibility (Vim is programmable in ruby), quickly move around your source w/keyboard. Things like: def say_hello(^name, to_who) ^ = cursor, to change those params, I say ct) ... change to ) ... zaps everything, and I start typing. Or, I want to copy say 3 lines of code in an if statement that I am going to move to it''s own function, 3dd. ([{}]) "''''" can all be auto-inserted/ended. I can bounce between View.rhtml and View function in controller very easily, etc... There are all sorts of things that helps me to decide what makes a powerful editor. When editing html/rhtml files, Vim makes it very easy. <td> upon inserting the >, vim ends the tag for me. If I want <td> Start Typing here. <td> I simply <td>> .. on the second > it deletes it, then adds/indents a blank line and puts your cursor there. When I am in a line, say, ^if a = 1 and b = 2 or c = 5 .. and 5 should be 3, not 5, I simply do f5r3 ... find 5, replace 3. Now, that f command can be used for a whole host of things. I could go on for the next five years saying things that make life easy as a programmer in Vim and or emacs. Another one I love is the O and o ... I could be midline and want to start a brand new line on top or bottom, I hit o, and vim goes to the end of the line, then creates a new line. or O goes on top of the current line (no matter where the cursor is) and starts a new line. Anyway, I should stop w/ these type of command discussions, but just showing what I think makes a powerful editor. I like to always see my code in context, when you scroll to the bottom of the screen in most editors, your at the bottom of the screen and you only see what''s above your code, you have no idea what''s coming next. Well, powerful editors let you set them up how you want to work. In vim, I added set so=4 which shows always 4 lines of code around where I am. In that case, I will never get to the bottomo of the screen, I get w/in 4 lines, and text starts scrolling so I always see my code in line context. Ok, really have to stop, you guys are probably bored already.>> Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am >> missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better >> than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get >> things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? > > Small, fast, cheap, live file browser (with creation and renaming) > and well supported, particularly so for Rails:Vim = Small, fast, free. It does have a live file browser that I don''t care for, so I always have a finder window w/no toolbar, etc... in tree view so I can have the same thing as TextMate (one thing I did like about TextMate), but the tree view gives me the same power. Jeremy
2006/3/30, Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy@cowgar.com>:> I could go on for the next five years saying things that make life > easy as a programmer in Vim and or emacs. Another one I love is the O > and o ... I could be midline and want to start a brand new line on > top or bottom, I hit o, and vim goes to the end of the line, then > creates a new line. or O goes on top of the current line (no matter > where the cursor is) and starts a new line.Sounds slightly shorter than in TextMate (it uses the standard OS X Apple-Right arrow and Apple-Left arrow to go to the start and end of lines) though at the expence of being able to click on some text and edit it... Dose Vim support anti-aliasing? Douglas
I use the vim built using Cocoa widgets, so yes. Bear in mind, I''m not trying to sell Vim, I am just trying to figure out if I have missed things in TextMate. Didn''t mean to turn it into a Vim conversation (that''s why I didn''t mention another text editor in the original email). Jeremy On Mar 30, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Douglas Livingstone wrote:> 2006/3/30, Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy@cowgar.com>: >> I could go on for the next five years saying things that make life >> easy as a programmer in Vim and or emacs. Another one I love is the O >> and o ... I could be midline and want to start a brand new line on >> top or bottom, I hit o, and vim goes to the end of the line, then >> creates a new line. or O goes on top of the current line (no matter >> where the cursor is) and starts a new line. > > Sounds slightly shorter than in TextMate (it uses the standard OS X > Apple-Right arrow and Apple-Left arrow to go to the start and end of > lines) though at the expence of being able to click on some text and > edit it... > > Dose Vim support anti-aliasing? > > Douglas > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> Sounds slightly shorter than in TextMate (it uses the standard OS X > Apple-Right arrow and Apple-Left arrow to go to the start and end of > lines) though at the expence of being able to click on some text and > edit it... > > Dose Vim support anti-aliasing?Anti-aliasing? Yes, for gui on the Mac. Vim also supports horizontal and vertical split windows, editing sessions (so you can open up your files and windows later), remote sessions (so, for example, if you''ve got a Vim session going on your machine at work, you can access it from home), network reading and writing via rcp, rsync, sftp, scp, ftp, fetch, etc., programmability via its own scripting language or also Perl, Python, or Ruby (options need to be compiled in), folding based on syntax, indentation, expressions, or manual cues, and dozens and dozens of pre-made color themes. It supports multiple languages, including Arabic (doesn''t come up often for me, but hey, it might be useful to someone here), has an extremely active community and a ton of plugins for various things like Java development, Python development and, yes, Ruby development. One important note, too, is that Vim is in both gui and terminal versions, so if you''re editing on the console via ssh, as an example, you can still use the editor you''re used to even though you don''t have a gui, and, via a config file, you can do so with all of your favorite customizations which don''t involve the gui ... This is a very incomplete list. I''ve been using Vim for seven years and I kind''ve chuckle a little whenever the latest, greatest text editor hits the scene. I''ve seen TextMate. It''s an excellent product, very polished, very nice, and anyone who uses it has a formidable tool in the arsenal. But it ain''t Vim and it ain''t Emacs, and until you''ve used either one of those Granddaddy Editors long enough to get some proficiency under your fingers, then you just don''t understand the power. With those editors, you''re limited by your imagination and skill in how to work within the environment, not by a featureset. That said, even with all the features above, neither Vim or Emacs are nearly as easy to learn as TextMate, not even close. If you *do* learn one of them, you may fumble for awhile wondering what the big deal is all about. But it''s worth it, if text editing in some form, programming, whatever, is your livelihood for some time to come, it''s worth it.
FWIW, I''m enjoying this discussion. I always find it interesting to see how other people are using tools. There were a couple of items you mentioned that I''ve never really tried to streamline. Sometimes we forget that editors are a powerful tool. I think someone posted something a while back about most people approaching an editor and just using it for copy/paste stuff like that, or for the wow factor. But, if you really spend some time (and for some editors the learning curve can be longer than others) learning the tool and adapting it to your work environment, then most of the notable ones (i.e vim, emacs, textmate, jedit, etc... <not trying to leave anyone out here>) will do what you need them to do. Michael
+1 on all the VIm posts. It is truly powerful, and *everywhere*. It will be hard for you to find a box you log into that *doesn''t* have VIm. The only thing that has bugged me was the anti-aliasing... and now that I know it exists, I''m dancing. ... dancing, dancing, dancing On 3/30/06, Greg McClure <gmcclure@gmail.com> wrote:> > > Sounds slightly shorter than in TextMate (it uses the standard OS X > > Apple-Right arrow and Apple-Left arrow to go to the start and end of > > lines) though at the expence of being able to click on some text and > > edit it... > > > > Dose Vim support anti-aliasing? > > Anti-aliasing? Yes, for gui on the Mac. > > Vim also supports horizontal and vertical split windows, editing > sessions (so you can open up your files and windows later), remote > sessions (so, for example, if you''ve got a Vim session going on your > machine at work, you can access it from home), network reading and > writing via rcp, rsync, sftp, scp, ftp, fetch, etc., programmability > via its own scripting language or also Perl, Python, or Ruby (options > need to be compiled in), folding based on syntax, indentation, > expressions, or manual cues, and dozens and dozens of pre-made color > themes. > > It supports multiple languages, including Arabic (doesn''t come up > often for me, but hey, it might be useful to someone here), has an > extremely active community and a ton of plugins for various things > like Java development, Python development and, yes, Ruby development. > > One important note, too, is that Vim is in both gui and terminal > versions, so if you''re editing on the console via ssh, as an example, > you can still use the editor you''re used to even though you don''t have > a gui, and, via a config file, you can do so with all of your favorite > customizations which don''t involve the gui ... > > This is a very incomplete list. I''ve been using Vim for seven years > and I kind''ve chuckle a little whenever the latest, greatest text > editor hits the scene. I''ve seen TextMate. It''s an excellent product, > very polished, very nice, and anyone who uses it has a formidable tool > in the arsenal. But it ain''t Vim and it ain''t Emacs, and until you''ve > used either one of those Granddaddy Editors long enough to get some > proficiency under your fingers, then you just don''t understand the > power. With those editors, you''re limited by your imagination and > skill in how to work within the environment, not by a featureset. > > That said, even with all the features above, neither Vim or Emacs are > nearly as easy to learn as TextMate, not even close. If you *do* learn > one of them, you may fumble for awhile wondering what the big deal is > all about. But it''s worth it, if text editing in some form, > programming, whatever, is your livelihood for some time to come, it''s > worth it. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060330/ae0f5827/attachment.html
Textmate''s power is actually much more hidden than you might expect from your standard GUI editor. Thus, it may be worth to at least scan thru the manual if you want to get a sense of all it''s "hidden" features. As others have said, along with the Syncpeople Rails- Bundle, there''s no better platform for Rails development. Textmate might still have a bit to go in terms of maturity, and probably needs split-view, sftp support, better project drawer and a few other things. But it''s creator is one of the hardest working people around, so i''m sure it won''t be long for these things to appear. sebastian On Mar 29, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Jeremy Cowgar wrote:> Greetings, > > I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for > rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I > do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but > other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. > > Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am > missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better > than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get > things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > http://lifewithchrist.org <--- being rewritten in RoR > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
I think the biggest reason I like it is that it integrates into the Shell. I can update MySQL right from TextMate because It has project specific environment variables. I even have a global keyboard shortcust (Shift-Control-Option-Command + A) that opens my entire apache 2 conf directory, see blow. A simple (Shift-Command-Option + A) restarts my apache for me. #Opens apache2 conf dir from its default location in OS X using Darwin Ports. open -a textmate /opt/local/apache2/conf Since text mate is integrated with the shell, I can run just about any script from it and even have it show me man pages (Control H). If you work in PHP Ctl-H will get you documentation on their site, if you are editing an Apache conf Ctrl-H will get you help at Apache''s site, better yet, with Ruby and TextMate''s hooks into RI, you can validate code and get help for it to. Now if I could only figure out how to hook TextMate to the API for RAILs. Anyone? http://www.metaskills.net/blog/heuristics/conventions/textmate-by- programmers-for-efficiency-experts - Ken On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Michael Trier wrote:> FWIW, I''m enjoying this discussion. I always find it interesting to > see how other people are using tools. There were a couple of items > you mentioned that I''ve never really tried to streamline. > > Sometimes we forget that editors are a powerful tool. I think someone > posted something a while back about most people approaching an editor > and just using it for copy/paste stuff like that, or for the wow > factor. But, if you really spend some time (and for some editors the > learning curve can be longer than others) learning the tool and > adapting it to your work environment, then most of the notable ones > (i.e vim, emacs, textmate, jedit, etc... <not trying to leave anyone > out here>) will do what you need them to do. > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
It''s the official Rails text editor! Nuff said!!!
Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic Programmer," I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or they''ll be stale. I''m really a text-editor guy more than an IDE guy, but the VisualWorks Smalltalk IDE is the coolest IDE I''ve ever seen. It''s almost incredible. My grasp of Smalltalk is utterly clumsy, but I can say with confidence that IDE puts every other one I''ve ever seen to shame. However, it still lacks the key-navigation and general swiftness of vi, afaik, and this is probably doubly true if you''re an emacs guru. (Eclipse is apparently a port of a product originally developed for and in Smalltalk, but as I said, the IDE for VisualWorks Smalltalk totally puts it to shame. More so when you compare speed. Smalltalk has a much smaller community than Java with much less overall corporate funding, so the performance of Eclipse seems really almost inexcusable.) -- Giles Bowkett www.gilesgoatboy.org
(actually that bit abt corporate funding was dumb, forget I said that, but the rest of it I can stand by.) On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote:> Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll > definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic Programmer," > I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve > been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or > they''ll be stale. > > I''m really a text-editor guy more than an IDE guy, but the VisualWorks > Smalltalk IDE is the coolest IDE I''ve ever seen. It''s almost > incredible. My grasp of Smalltalk is utterly clumsy, but I can say > with confidence that IDE puts every other one I''ve ever seen to shame. > However, it still lacks the key-navigation and general swiftness of > vi, afaik, and this is probably doubly true if you''re an emacs guru. > > (Eclipse is apparently a port of a product originally developed for > and in Smalltalk, but as I said, the IDE for VisualWorks Smalltalk > totally puts it to shame. More so when you compare speed. Smalltalk > has a much smaller community than Java with much less overall > corporate funding, so the performance of Eclipse seems really almost > inexcusable.) > > -- > Giles Bowkett > www.gilesgoatboy.org >-- Giles Bowkett www.gilesgoatboy.org
On 3/29/06, Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy@cowgar.com> wrote:> Greetings, > > I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for > rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I > do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but > other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. > > Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am > missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better > than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get > things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > http://lifewithchrist.org <--- being rewritten in RoRWithout starting another java vs ruby flame fest, I think this post has a thoughtful comparison of Textmate with IntelliJ IDEA - at least for HTML/CSS development. http://blogs.opensymphony.com/plightbo/2006/03/teaching_mr_rails_a_lesson_on.html - Rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com/ http://www.ajaxian.com/
On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote:> Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll > definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic Programmer," > I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve > been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or > they''ll be stale.Huh??? Can you explain that statement? Because I''m probably misunderstanding what you''re saying. Michael
You want the productivity of being very fluent in a given tool, but there''s also value in being able to accomplish the same task with more than one tool. Getting locked into one way of doing things makes you incapable of adapting; being weak with editors makes you slow. So, if you''re good with vi, you''re probably also using it as a crutch to some extent, or at least, strengths you might develop if you weren''t good with vi are never necessary for you, and blind spots are the result. Any editor or IDE embodies a way of doing things, so they all have a specific philosophy or method which enhances productivity in certain ways, but they also shape the way you look at problems. (When you have a hammer every problem looks like a nail.) You want to be able to use those methods fluently without being so locked into them that you can''t think outside the boxes each one represents. vi is a power tool, but it''s also a box to think outside; the same is true of TextMate, emacs, Rails itself, yadda yadda yadda. The best situation is when you can use each power tool without ever getting trapped in any box. I hope that made sense... On 3/30/06, Michael Trier <mtrier@gmail.com> wrote:> On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll > > definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic Programmer," > > I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve > > been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or > > they''ll be stale. > > Huh??? Can you explain that statement? Because I''m probably > misunderstanding what you''re saying. > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Giles Bowkett www.gilesgoatboy.org
On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Michael Trier wrote:> On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote: >> Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll >> definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic >> Programmer," >> I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve >> been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or >> they''ll be stale. > > Huh??? Can you explain that statement? Because I''m probably > misunderstanding what you''re saying.Giles spoke well for himself, but I have a more terse way of explaining what I thought he meant: "Learning is good!" -- -- Tom Mornini
That about sums it up. :-) On 3/30/06, Tom Mornini <tmornini@infomania.com> wrote:> On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Michael Trier wrote: > > > On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll > >> definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic > >> Programmer," > >> I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve > >> been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or > >> they''ll be stale. > > > > Huh??? Can you explain that statement? Because I''m probably > > misunderstanding what you''re saying. > > Giles spoke well for himself, but I have a more terse way of explaining > what I thought he meant: > > "Learning is good!" > > -- > -- Tom Mornini > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Giles Bowkett www.gilesgoatboy.org
Nicholas Van Weerdenburg
2006-Mar-30 23:40 UTC
[Rails] TextMate for Rails development -- why?
On 3/30/06, Michael Trier <mtrier@gmail.com> wrote:> > On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll > > definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic Programmer," > > I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve > > been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or > > they''ll be stale. > > Huh??? Can you explain that statement? Because I''m probably > misunderstanding what you''re saying. > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >If I recall, the Pragmatic Programmer mentions totally mastering a text editor (and thus likely sticking with 1 or 2), but learning new languages on a frequent basis. -- Nicholas Van Weerdenburg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060330/8b113ab9/attachment.html
Well, I might be mashing in Chad Fowler''s "India" book, or I might just be attributing my own whims to authorities in the field. It definitely traces back to those books, but the path it takes from those books to this post passes through my brain, and interposing my brain along the signal path can sometimes have unpredictable results. On 3/30/06, Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@gmail.com> wrote:> On 3/30/06, Michael Trier <mtrier@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 3/30/06, Giles Bowkett <gilesb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Personally, I''m interested in TextMate. When I get a Mac, I''ll > > > definitely check it out. Ever since I read "The Pragmatic Programmer," > > > I''ve been wanting to get away from vi(m) just because it''s what I''ve > > > been using for about ten years. Your habits can''t get too familiar or > > > they''ll be stale. > > > > Huh??? Can you explain that statement? Because I''m probably > > misunderstanding what you''re saying. > > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > If I recall, the Pragmatic Programmer mentions totally mastering a text > editor (and thus likely sticking with 1 or 2), but learning new languages on > a frequent basis. > > -- > Nicholas Van Weerdenburg > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-- Giles Bowkett www.gilesgoatboy.org
That makes sense and I appreciate the clarification. It also helps me to look at it a little differently than I have in the past. So thank you. Michael
On 3/29/06, Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy@cowgar.com> wrote:> Greetings, > > I am curious, I see quite a few references to using TextMate for > rails development. I downloaded TextMate and used it for 30 days. I > do not see what everyone is raving about. Snipplets are nice, but > other editors do the same thing, some with much more power. > > Can anyone tell me what makes people draw to TextMate? Maybe I am > missing the whole reason, I''d really like to find an editor better > than the one I am using, one that makes me more efficient and get > things done quicker, for that reason, I''d like to know what I missed? > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > http://lifewithchrist.org <--- being rewritten in RoR > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >I recommend you invest an hour or so and read through the manual. I used TM for about a month and thought to myself, "Eh it looks pretty, but I don''t see what the big deal is...people rave about it though so I must be missing something, time to read the manual." After going over basic features that I already knew, I came across "go to file" and thought, "Holy crap that would have been useful," and it turned out that was only a very very small part of what I learned during my study session. Now I''m a TextMate fanboy too :) Pat
A few people have recommended this and to be honest, I have. Again, quite a few other editors have goto file, etc... My final conclusion from this whole discussion is, I will just stick with Vim. I don''t think I am missing anything. Looks like it''s a mac product at the core and mac users just like core mac programs. I do not see any feature it has that would be used in programming that other editors do not have as well. Just my thoughts after this conversation. Jeremy> I recommend you invest an hour or so and read through the manual. I > used TM for about a month and thought to myself, "Eh it looks pretty, > but I don''t see what the big deal is...people rave about it though so > I must be missing something, time to read the manual." After going > over basic features that I already knew, I came across "go to file" > and thought, "Holy crap that would have been useful," and it turned > out that was only a very very small part of what I learned during my > study session. Now I''m a TextMate fanboy too :)