Hi folks, I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks really great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool available for the language? Thanks in advance for your help, Dunnil
Dunnil, An interesting approach is found at http://moonbase.rydia.net/ mental/blog/programming/avoiding-ruby-keywords.html. As far as I understand, obfuscating source code has never been of great concern to the Ruby or Rails developers, or the majority of Ruby developers for that matter. If the need to obfuscate your source code takes primacy over your platform decision, I would advise you to look elsewhere at this time. Jeremy On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Human Dunnil wrote:> Hi folks, > I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks really > great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV > that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our > source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile > and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool > available for the language? > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Dunnil > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails/****************************************************** * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com *******************************************************/ Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com
ROR code can be compiled... See following tutorial: http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/distributingrubyapplications/rails.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Dunnil" <h.dunnil-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? Hi folks, I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks really great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool available for the language? Thanks in advance for your help, Dunnil _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
From the Ruby2Exe site: <quote> RubyScript2Exe transforms your Ruby script into a standalone, compressed Windows, Linux or Mac OS X (Darwin) executable. You can look at it as a "compiler". Not in the sense of a source-code-to-byte- code compiler, but as a "collector", for it collects all necessary files to run your script on an other machine: the Ruby script, the Ruby interpreter and the Ruby runtime library (stripped down for this script). Anyway, the result is the same: a standalone executable (application.exe). And that''s what we want! </quote> This is a tool for packaging and distribution, but it is not a compiler. An end user could certainly extract the source code from it. On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote:> ROR code can be compiled... > > See following tutorial: > http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/distributingrubyapplications/rails.html > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Dunnil" <h.dunnil-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:14 PM > Subject: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? > > > Hi folks, > I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks really > great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV > that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our > source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile > and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool > available for the language? > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Dunnil > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails/****************************************************** * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com *******************************************************/ Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com
Compressed distribution sounds like what is asked for :) It''s a huge step up though from text files which everyone can read :) and ... if you have a .exe file on the windows platform there are multiple exe compressors to run over it, I''m sure there are tools for the other platforms as well. Not sure how much trouble you would want to go to protect the contents though. A bigger problem might be that you might be stuck running WebRick as a webserver... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Voorhis" <jeremy-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications?> From the Ruby2Exe site: > > <quote> > RubyScript2Exe transforms your Ruby script into a standalone, compressed > Windows, Linux or Mac OS X (Darwin) executable. You can look at it as a > "compiler". Not in the sense of a source-code-to-byte- code compiler, but > as a "collector", for it collects all necessary files to run your script > on an other machine: the Ruby script, the Ruby interpreter and the Ruby > runtime library (stripped down for this script). Anyway, the result is > the same: a standalone executable (application.exe). And that''s what we > want! > </quote> > > This is a tool for packaging and distribution, but it is not a compiler. > An end user could certainly extract the source code from it. > > On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote: > >> ROR code can be compiled... >> >> See following tutorial: >> http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/distributingrubyapplications/rails.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Dunnil" <h.dunnil-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:14 PM >> Subject: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? >> >> >> Hi folks, >> I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks really >> great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV >> that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our >> source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile >> and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool >> available for the language? >> >> Thanks in advance for your help, >> Dunnil >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > /****************************************************** > * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect > * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting > * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 > * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com > * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com > *******************************************************/ > > Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Webrick and Sqlite seem to be your options - they are both good and fine within their limits, but you certainly won''t distribute anything large scale on this stack. This really isn''t obfuscation - remember, it is also a fairly trivial task to disassemble .NET with the available tools and although I am not certain, I would imagine Java assemblies can be poked inside of as well. On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote:> Compressed distribution sounds like what is asked for :) > It''s a huge step up though from text files which everyone can read :) > > and ... if you have a .exe file on the windows platform there are > multiple exe compressors to run over it, I''m sure there are tools > for the other platforms as well. > > Not sure how much trouble you would want to go to protect the > contents though. > > A bigger problem might be that you might be stuck running WebRick > as a webserver... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Voorhis" > <jeremy-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org> > To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? > > >> From the Ruby2Exe site: >> >> <quote> >> RubyScript2Exe transforms your Ruby script into a standalone, >> compressed Windows, Linux or Mac OS X (Darwin) executable. You >> can look at it as a "compiler". Not in the sense of a source-code- >> to-byte- code compiler, but as a "collector", for it collects all >> necessary files to run your script on an other machine: the Ruby >> script, the Ruby interpreter and the Ruby runtime library >> (stripped down for this script). Anyway, the result is the same: >> a standalone executable (application.exe). And that''s what we want! >> </quote> >> >> This is a tool for packaging and distribution, but it is not a >> compiler. An end user could certainly extract the source code from >> it. >> >> On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote: >> >>> ROR code can be compiled... >>> >>> See following tutorial: >>> http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/distributingrubyapplications/rails.html >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Dunnil" >>> <h.dunnil-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >>> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:14 PM >>> Subject: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? >>> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks >>> really >>> great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV >>> that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our >>> source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile >>> and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool >>> available for the language? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for your help, >>> Dunnil >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rails mailing list >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rails mailing list >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> >> /****************************************************** >> * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect >> * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting >> * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 >> * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com >> * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com >> *******************************************************/ >> >> Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails/****************************************************** * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com *******************************************************/ Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com
A python solution is probably closer to what you want. The django project (http://djangoproject.com) has just released its first public version of its framework, and it addresses many of the same problems that Ruby on Rails does. You probably won't find many people here that prefer Python over Ruby (I much prefer Ruby), but Django is well implemented and Python can be distributed as compiled code. In truth, the business model that you are describing seems better suited to the asp.net concept of compiled intermediate code, - but then you are stuck with the .net platform, and all that it implies :-( -- www.channel200.net aim: david.richardson@mac.com jabber/googletalk: channel200@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Wednesday 23 November 2005 16:59, Jeremy Voorhis wrote:> Webrick and Sqlite seem to be your options - they are both good and > fine within their limits, but you certainly won''t distribute anything > large scale on this stack. > > This really isn''t obfuscation - remember, it is also a fairly trivial > task to disassemble .NET with the available tools and although I am > not certain, I would imagine Java assemblies can be poked inside of > as well.Well, there is the dotfuscator. It does a good job of mixing everything in your intermediate language code to confuse everyone (probably the computer too). But really, "compiling" your ruby app with rubyscript2exe will lend a single executable. But when you run it, if you check in the /tmp directory, you''ll find a folder that contains all your code. They do have to be smart enough to check there though. If you wait until Ruby 2.0 we''ll all be byte compiled. Still poke-able, but not nearly as much.> On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote: > > Compressed distribution sounds like what is asked for :) > > It''s a huge step up though from text files which everyone can read :) > > > > and ... if you have a .exe file on the windows platform there are > > multiple exe compressors to run over it, I''m sure there are tools > > for the other platforms as well. > > > > Not sure how much trouble you would want to go to protect the > > contents though. > > > > A bigger problem might be that you might be stuck running WebRick > > as a webserver... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Voorhis" > > <jeremy-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org> > > To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? > > > >> From the Ruby2Exe site: > >> > >> <quote> > >> RubyScript2Exe transforms your Ruby script into a standalone, > >> compressed Windows, Linux or Mac OS X (Darwin) executable. You > >> can look at it as a "compiler". Not in the sense of a source-code- > >> to-byte- code compiler, but as a "collector", for it collects all > >> necessary files to run your script on an other machine: the Ruby > >> script, the Ruby interpreter and the Ruby runtime library > >> (stripped down for this script). Anyway, the result is the same: > >> a standalone executable (application.exe). And that''s what we want! > >> </quote> > >> > >> This is a tool for packaging and distribution, but it is not a > >> compiler. An end user could certainly extract the source code from > >> it. > >> > >> On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote: > >>> ROR code can be compiled... > >>> > >>> See following tutorial: > >>> http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/distributingrubyapplications/rails.html > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Dunnil" > >>> <h.dunnil-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > >>> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:14 PM > >>> Subject: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi folks, > >>> I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks > >>> really > >>> great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV > >>> that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our > >>> source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile > >>> and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool > >>> available for the language? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance for your help, > >>> Dunnil > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rails mailing list > >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rails mailing list > >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > >> > >> /****************************************************** > >> * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect > >> * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting > >> * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 > >> * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com > >> * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com > >> *******************************************************/ > >> > >> Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rails mailing list > >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > /****************************************************** > * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect > * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting > * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 > * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com > * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com > *******************************************************/ > > Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Thanks guys, Seems I should wait for R2.0 On 11/24/05, Kevin Brown <blargity-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Wednesday 23 November 2005 16:59, Jeremy Voorhis wrote: > > Webrick and Sqlite seem to be your options - they are both good and > > fine within their limits, but you certainly won''t distribute anything > > large scale on this stack. > > > > This really isn''t obfuscation - remember, it is also a fairly trivial > > task to disassemble .NET with the available tools and although I am > > not certain, I would imagine Java assemblies can be poked inside of > > as well. > > Well, there is the dotfuscator. It does a good job of mixing everything in > your intermediate language code to confuse everyone (probably the computer > too). > > But really, "compiling" your ruby app with rubyscript2exe will lend a single > executable. But when you run it, if you check in the /tmp directory, you''ll > find a folder that contains all your code. They do have to be smart enough > to check there though. > > If you wait until Ruby 2.0 we''ll all be byte compiled. Still poke-able, but > not nearly as much. > > > On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote: > > > Compressed distribution sounds like what is asked for :) > > > It''s a huge step up though from text files which everyone can read :) > > > > > > and ... if you have a .exe file on the windows platform there are > > > multiple exe compressors to run over it, I''m sure there are tools > > > for the other platforms as well. > > > > > > Not sure how much trouble you would want to go to protect the > > > contents though. > > > > > > A bigger problem might be that you might be stuck running WebRick > > > as a webserver... > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Voorhis" > > > <jeremy-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org> > > > To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? > > > > > >> From the Ruby2Exe site: > > >> > > >> <quote> > > >> RubyScript2Exe transforms your Ruby script into a standalone, > > >> compressed Windows, Linux or Mac OS X (Darwin) executable. You > > >> can look at it as a "compiler". Not in the sense of a source-code- > > >> to-byte- code compiler, but as a "collector", for it collects all > > >> necessary files to run your script on an other machine: the Ruby > > >> script, the Ruby interpreter and the Ruby runtime library > > >> (stripped down for this script). Anyway, the result is the same: > > >> a standalone executable (application.exe). And that''s what we want! > > >> </quote> > > >> > > >> This is a tool for packaging and distribution, but it is not a > > >> compiler. An end user could certainly extract the source code from > > >> it. > > >> > > >> On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Mischa Kroon wrote: > > >>> ROR code can be compiled... > > >>> > > >>> See following tutorial: > > >>> http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/distributingrubyapplications/rails.html > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Dunnil" > > >>> <h.dunnil-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > > >>> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:14 PM > > >>> Subject: [Rails] Compiler OR Obfuscator for RoR applications? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hi folks, > > >>> I''m a newbie in the Ruby land, The Ruby language and RoR looks > > >>> really > > >>> great but I think in my situation there is a problem, we are an ISV > > >>> that sells web application and we don''t want our clients see our > > >>> source code, I searched the web but couldn''t find any way to compile > > >>> and\or obfuscate ruby code (in web (RoR)), is there such tool > > >>> available for the language? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks in advance for your help, > > >>> Dunnil > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Rails mailing list > > >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Rails mailing list > > >>> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > >>> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >> > > >> /****************************************************** > > >> * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect > > >> * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting > > >> * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 > > >> * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com > > >> * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com > > >> *******************************************************/ > > >> > > >> Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rails mailing list > > >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rails mailing list > > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > /****************************************************** > > * Jeremy Voorhis, Lead Architect > > * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting > > * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 > > * www.planetargon.com | www.jvoorhis.com > > * Refactoring Rails | www.refactoringrails.com > > *******************************************************/ > > > > Also Cokemachineglow | www.cokemachineglow.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >