Rails - Sep 2005 - Re: [OT] Rails intro video MOVs - what Open Source, player to use?

> Slightly OT question here, but I have a friend who needs to watch the Rails
> intro movs, but is on Linux and has no way of using an actual Quicktime 
> player.
VLC? I assumed everyone used that anyway.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Andrew Otwell wrote:
>> Slightly OT question here, but I have a friend who needs to watch the 
>> Rails intro movs, but is on Linux and has no way of using an actual 
>> Quicktime player.
>
>
> VLC? I assumed everyone used that anyway.
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

    I had no trouble watching them on Linux using MPlayer.  It took a 
more powerful machine than what I usually carry with me ( a P2/266 
w/128MB RAM Thinkpad 600E), but when I got home it played fine on my 
gaming box.

I had to watch it on windows myself... 

providing a mpg version of it shouldn''t be too hard, and mpg''s
are able to
be watched everywhere

Something to think about



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Andrew Otwell wrote:
>> Slightly OT question here, but I have a friend who needs to watch the 
>> Rails intro movs, but is on Linux and has no way of using an actual 
>> Quicktime player.
>
>
> VLC? I assumed everyone used that anyway.
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

    I had no trouble watching them on Linux using MPlayer.  It took a 
more powerful machine than what I usually carry with me ( a P2/266 
w/128MB RAM Thinkpad 600E), but when I got home it played fine on my 
gaming box.
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On 23/09/05 11:50 -0700, Clayton Cottingham wrote:
> I had to watch it on windows myself... 
> 
> providing a mpg version of it shouldn''t be too hard, and
mpg''s are able to
> be watched everywhere
> 
> Something to think about
Not a bad idea. An Xvid avi would be preferrable to me but I''d settle
for mpeg. I also had trouble with mplayer crashing when watching the
quicktime files. This was on Ubuntu linux with the latest mplayer and
win32 codec .deb packages.

Jason

On Friday 23 Sep 2005 14:57, Andrew Otwell wrote:
> VLC? I assumed everyone used that anyway.
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Nope, still no dice.

I have now tried latest: ffmpeg, libquicktime, vlc, mplayer and totem.

The problem appears to be because of the "Quicktime Animation" codec.

From vlc:

main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `rle ''.
VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.

From mplayer:

vo: X11 running at 1600x1200 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" =>
local
display)
=========================================================================Opening
video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg''s libavcodec codec family
Selected video codec: [ffqtrle] vfm:ffmpeg (QuickTime Animation (RLE))
=========================================================================Audio:
no sound
Starting playback...
VDec: vo config request - 1024 x 768 (preferred csp: BGRA)
Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
Opening video filter: [scale]
VDec: using BGRA as output csp (no 0)
Movie-Aspect is undefined - no prescaling applied.
SwScaler: reducing / aligning filtersize 1 -> 4
SwScaler: reducing / aligning filtersize 1 -> 4
SwScaler: reducing / aligning filtersize 1 -> 1
SwScaler: reducing / aligning filtersize 9 -> 8

SwScaler: BICUBIC scaler, from BGRA to Planar YV12 using 3DNOW
VO: [xv] 1024x768 => 1024x768 Planar YV12
X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)

<crash>

From totem:

The program ''totem'' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was ''BadAlloc (insufficient resources for
operation)''.
  (Details: serial 103 error_code 11 request_code 139 minor_code 19)


Actually, could this possibly be because the video appears to be in 32-bit 
color depth?  I have tried 32 as a depth setting on my xorg.conf but it 
doesn''t work (and upon checking the Xorg docs I also found
it''s an invalid
setting).

I''ve tried bleeding-edge everything and am still getting nowhere with
it.  Can
I suggest that perhaps the Rails videos are made available as standard MPEG 
files, since every media player under the sun can play those?

Just seems like a major oversight to have the Rails videos in a format that 
isn''t easily watchable (yes, I know some of you have managed it, but I
have
literally tried everything and it''s just not working) using Open Source
software.  If I didn''t already know how good Rails was, I''d
possibly have
given up and gone away in frustration by now, or at least been less inclined 
to try the tutorials out.  I''ve generally never had any problems
watching any
videos of any format other than these particular ones - it''s just,
people
should see these videos, because they are worth seeing, and provide the 
initial "wow" that will get people (and got me) to make the switch to
Rails.

Please give us MPEGs!  :-)

~Dave

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On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 12:56 +0100, Dave Silvester wrote:
On Friday 23 Sep 2005 14:57, Andrew Otwell wrote:
> > VLC? I assumed everyone used that anyway.
> > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
> 
> Nope, still no dice.
> 
Are you using ubuntu hoary?  I had a similar problem. 
''Mostly'' solved
it by adding the cipherfunk repository:

/etc/apt/sources.list

deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu hoary main

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get install gmplayer w32codecs

I could run most any of the rails .mov files that I tried with gmplayer, except
for the main 15 minute tutorial.
I ended up 

gmplayer -nosound ... 

And I could at least see it.


I vote we use non-restricted formats when possible.

Regards,
Rich

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