Is anyone in the leadership of the R-project going to contact the New York Times and clarify that the article gave remarkably short shrift to the people who designed the user interface for R, to a large extent AT&T researchers from an earlier generation? It would be the appropriate thing to do. The R team did not develop the user interface for R, the designers of the S programming language did. The layman reader of Vance's article will get the impression that R is a brand new invention, which is misleading and unfair. Gentleman and Ihaka should try harder to give credit where credit is due. And by the way, ARE YOU GUYS EVER GOING TO FIX your mailing list platform? It is extremely user-unfriendly and a technological clunk. The mailing lists for SAS, Python , and others (UseNet) may not be a user-interface-work-of-genius, but they are far superior to the R mailing list. What a clunk.
It has worked wonders for me over the last years. It clunkily and reliably delivers messages to my inbox that are either someone elses question about R or an answer to one of my questions. clunkily yours Stephen Sefick On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Robert Wilkins <irishhacker at gmail.com> wrote:> Is anyone in the leadership of the R-project going to contact the New > York Times and clarify that the article gave remarkably short shrift > to the people who designed the user interface for R, to a large extent > AT&T researchers from an earlier generation? It would be the > appropriate thing to do. > > The R team did not develop the user interface for R, the designers of > the S programming language did. The layman reader of Vance's article > will get the impression that R is a brand new invention, which is > misleading and unfair. Gentleman and Ihaka should try harder to give > credit where credit is due. > > > And by the way, ARE YOU GUYS EVER GOING TO FIX your mailing list > platform? It is extremely user-unfriendly and a technological clunk. > The mailing lists for SAS, Python , and others (UseNet) may not be a > user-interface-work-of-genius, but they are far superior to the R > mailing list. What a clunk. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >-- Stephen Sefick Let's not spend our time and resources thinking about things that are so little or so large that all they really do for us is puff us up and make us feel like gods. We are mammals, and have not exhausted the annoying little problems of being mammals. -K. Mullis
stephen sefick <ssefick at gmail.com> [Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 03:16:11AM CET]:> It has worked wonders for me over the last years.> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Robert Wilkins <irishhacker at gmail.com> wrote: > > And by the way, ARE YOU GUYS EVER GOING TO FIX your mailing list > > platform? It is extremely user-unfriendly and a technological clunk.He possibly means the Web interface to the archive, which I am not bothered about since the list is mirrored on Gmane. -- Johannes H?sing There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture mailto:johannes at huesing.name from such a trifling investment of fact. http://derwisch.wikidot.com (Mark Twain, "Life on the Mississippi")
Robert, go ahead, fix whatever bothers you, this is Open Sauce, not Jet-Engine Science :-)-O el On 09 Jan 2009, at 07:41 , Johannes Huesing wrote:> stephen sefick <ssefick at gmail.com> [Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 03:16:11AM > CET]: >> It has worked wonders for me over the last years. > >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Robert Wilkins >> <irishhacker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> And by the way, ARE YOU GUYS EVER GOING TO FIX your mailing list >>> platform? It is extremely user-unfriendly and a technological clunk. > > He possibly means the Web interface to the archive, which I am not > bothered > about since the list is mirrored on Gmane. > > -- > Johannes H?sing
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Roland Studer <roland.studer at gmail.com> wrote:> I agree, that there are better plattforms. > I'd love to see something like Stack Overflow: > http://stackoverflow.com/Why, you cannot see it now? You can start posting your R questions and answers to it right away if you like.> When you type your question, it compares it to previously answered > questions. Answers can get voted up and down. Answers AND questions can be > edited!Personally I like that on the mailing list you have 'conversations', and I would really hate if these could be edited. But as I said, there is nothing that holds you back from using the above mentioned site for R questions. Gabor> Regards > Roland Studer > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote: > >> Robert, >> >> go ahead, fix whatever bothers you, this is Open Sauce, not Jet-Engine >> Science >> :-)-O >> >> el >> >> On 09 Jan 2009, at 07:41 , Johannes Huesing wrote: >> >> stephen sefick <ssefick at gmail.com> [Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 03:16:11AM CET]: >>> >>>> It has worked wonders for me over the last years. >>>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Robert Wilkins <irishhacker at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And by the way, ARE YOU GUYS EVER GOING TO FIX your mailing list >>>>> platform? It is extremely user-unfriendly and a technological clunk. >>>>> >>>> >>> He possibly means the Web interface to the archive, which I am not >>> bothered >>> about since the list is mirrored on Gmane. >>> >>> -- >>> Johannes H?sing >>> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at r-project.org mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> > > > -- > http://www.sturmfrei.wordpress.com - Berner Mundartrock > home 031 535 43 40 | mobile 079 746 48 59 > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > ______________________________________________ > R-help at r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > >-- Gabor Csardi <Gabor.Csardi at unil.ch> UNIL DGM
R would have truly arrived if the Wall Street Journal mentions it as an alternative to SAS or Excel...but that is some years away... Ajay www.decisionstats.com On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Robert Wilkins <irishhacker@gmail.com>wrote:> Is anyone in the leadership of the R-project going to contact the New > York Times and clarify that the article gave remarkably short shrift > to the people who designed the user interface for R, to a large extent > AT&T researchers from an earlier generation? It would be the > appropriate thing to do. > > The R team did not develop the user interface for R, the designers of > the S programming language did. The layman reader of Vance's article > will get the impression that R is a brand new invention, which is > misleading and unfair. Gentleman and Ihaka should try harder to give > credit where credit is due. > > > And by the way, ARE YOU GUYS EVER GOING TO FIX your mailing list > platform? It is extremely user-unfriendly and a technological clunk. > The mailing lists for SAS, Python , and others (UseNet) may not be a > user-interface-work-of-genius, but they are far superior to the R > mailing list. What a clunk. > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >[[alternative HTML version deleted]]
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Robert Wilkins <irishhacker@gmail.com>wrote:> Is anyone in the leadership of the R-project going to contact the New > York Times and clarify that the article gave remarkably short shrift > to the people who designed the user interface for R, to a large extent > AT&T researchers from an earlier generation? It would be the > appropriate thing to do. >Colleagues of mine did contact Ashlee Vance after his article was published and learned that his original text was shortened by the NYT section editors, and so many details didn't make it to the print edition. But he has published a followup on the NYT's website clarifying and expanding a number of details here: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/r-you-ready-for-r/ You can also provide comments on his article there too, if you like. # David Smith -- David M Smith <david@revolution-computing.com> Director of Community, REvolution Computing www.revolution-computing.com Tel: +1 (206) 577-4778 x3203 (Seattle, USA) [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
I've submitted a posting to the NY Times blog mentioned by David Smith, specifically mentioning John, Rick and Allan. (Now awaiting moderation.) Of course there are many others deserving credit but far to numerous to list so I didn't get started. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Robert Wilkins <irishhacker at gmail.com>wrote:> Is anyone in the leadership of the R-project going to contact the New > York Times and clarify that the article gave remarkably short shrift > to the people who designed the user interface for R, to a large extent > AT&T researchers from an earlier generation? It would be the > appropriate thing to do.
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