Hi all - R2.0.1, OS X Perhaps while there is some discussion of lme going on..... I am trying to execute a glmm using glmmPQL from the MASS libray, using the example data set from McCullagh and Nelder's (1989, p442) table 14.4 (it happens to be the glmm example for GENSTAT as well). The data are binary, representing mating success (1,0) for crosses between males and females from two populations of salamanders. The idea is to fit a fixed effect of Cross, and estimate random effects for females and males. (data available as an *.rda for anyone who wants it...) Following the advice from various postings from R-help and from Pinhero and Bates, I can successfully (I think) code an lme() model, using pdBlocked, pdIdent and a dummy grouping variable in a grouped data object. > load("~/RbinaryData.rda") > dd<-data.frame(RbinaryData,dum=factor(rep(1,120))) > names(dd) [1] "Cross" "Female" "Male" "Mate1" "dum" > summary(dd) Cross Female Male Mate1 dum RR:30 1 : 6 1 : 6 Min. :0.0000 1:120 RW:30 2 : 6 2 : 6 1st Qu.:0.0000 WR:30 3 : 6 3 : 6 Median :1.0000 WW:30 4 : 6 4 : 6 Mean :0.5833 5 : 6 5 : 6 3rd Qu.:1.0000 6 : 6 6 : 6 Max. :1.0000 (Other):84 (Other):84 m1<-lme(Mate1~Cross,data=gd,random=pdBlocked(list(pdIdent(~Female -1),pdIdent(~Male-1)))) This model executes and estimates separate intercepts for both females and males. Good. However, when I try and run this as a glmmPQL, the following error ensues (traceback provided below). Am I trying something that is impossible at the moment, or just doing something wrong? Cheers andrew > m2<-glmmPQL(Mate1~Cross,data=gd,random=pdBlocked(list(pdIdent(~Female -1),pdIdent(~Male-1))),family="binomial") iteration 1 Error in getGroups.data.frame(dataMix, groups) : Invalid formula for groups > traceback() 8: stop("Invalid formula for groups") 7: getGroups.data.frame(dataMix, groups) 6: getGroups(dataMix, groups) 5: lme.formula(fixed = zz ~ Cross, random = list(numeric(0), numeric(0)), data = list(Mate1 = c(1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0), Cross = c(1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3, 4, 3), Female = c(1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20), Male = c(1, 14, 5, 11, 4, 15, 5, 15, 3, 13, 1, 12, 2, 11, 1, 14, 3, 13, 4, 12, 2, 15, 5, 14, 3, 13, 4, 12, 2, 11, 19, 9, 20, 7, 16, 8, 18, 8, 19, 9, 17, 6, 16, 6, 17, 10, 20, 9, 20, 7, 18, 6, 19, 10, 17, 10, 16, 8, 18, 7, 9, 19, 7, 20, 10, 18, 7, 16, 9, 17, 6, 20, 8, 17, 6, 19, 7, 16, 10, 20, 8, 18, 9, 19, 6, 18, 10, 16, 8, 17, 15, 2, 13, 4, 12, 1, 14, 1, 15, 2, 11, 5, 11, 4, 12, 5, 15, 3, 13, 3, 11, 1, 14, 4, 12, 5, 14, 3, 13, 2), wts = c(1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1), zz = c(2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, -2.30685171777016, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, -2.30685171777016, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, -2.30685171777016, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 2.19314662972470, 2.19314662972470, 2.37523506338983, 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2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, -2.48603224779624, -2.49392989051313, -2.48603224779624, -2.48603224779624, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, -2.48603224779624, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, 3.09612363937901, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, 3.09612363937901, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, 3.09612363937901, 2.27586790674987, 3.09612363937901, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313, -2.48603224779624, 3.09612363937901, 2.27586790674987, -2.49392989051313), invwt = c(5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 4.49999834749486, 5.11362806892812, 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5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214, 4.76190015454611, 5.59005352989214)), method = "ML", weights = varFixed(~invwt)) 3: eval(expr, envir, enclos) 2: eval(mcall) 1: glmmPQL(Mate1 ~ Cross, data = gd, random = pdBlocked(list(pdIdent(~Female - 1), pdIdent(~Male - 1))), family = "binomial") ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Dr. Andrew Beckerman Department of Animal and Plant Sciences, University of Sheffield, Alfred Denny Building, Western Bank, Sheffield S10 2TN, UK ph +44 (0)114 222 0026; fx +44 (0)114 222 0002 http://www.shef.ac.uk/beckslab ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------