Hi Folks, A Grumble ... The message I just sent to R-help about "The hidden costs of GPL ..." has evoked a "Challenge" response: Hi, You??ve just sent a message to diagnosticando at uol.com.br In order to confirm the sent message, please click here This confirmation is necessary because diagnosticando at uol.com.br uses Antispam UOL, a service that avoids unwanted messages like advertising, pornography, viruses, and spams. Other messages sent to diagnosticando at uol.com.br won't need to be confirmed*. *If you receive another confirmation request, please ask diagnosticando at uol.com.br to include you in his/her authorized e-mail list. I won't be responding to this. Let the recipient simply not receive the mail. Of no great importance in this case, but a disadvantage to the recipient in the long run. I disapprove strongly of this mechanism, and want to oppose it. There must be a few thousand subscribers to R-help. If the "Challenge" mechanism became widespread, then I would receive thousands of such messages. Rather than respond to all these, I would quit the list (and of course probably many others). The "Challenge" mechanism would destroy the mailing-list community if it became widely adopted. One reason I am posting this grumble to R-help is in the hope that I get a challenge to this one too. In that case, once and for all, I shall respond, so that the recipient will see this message and (I hope) do something about it, to eliminate the "Challenge" responder (I can't find the true recipient's email address from the "Challenge"). The recipient may be able to recognise themselves from the fact that they receive this message but not the message which triggered the response, which began: ======================================On 24-Nov-04 John wrote:> Off hand, the costs of GPL'd software are not hidden at all. > R for instance demands that a would be user sit down and > learn the language. This in turn pushes a user into learning > more about statistics than the simple overview that Stat 1 > presents a student.I'd see this as less a cost than a benefit! ====================================== My apologies for bothering you with this if you didn't want to know about it. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 [NB: New number!] Date: 24-Nov-04 Time: 10:36:35 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:36:35 -0000 (GMT), (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk> wrote:>Hi Folks, > >A Grumble ... > >The message I just sent to R-help about "The hidden costs of GPL ..." >has evoked a "Challenge" response: > > Hi, > You??ve just sent a message to diagnosticando at uol.com.br > In order to confirm the sent message, please click hereHere's a strategy that I hope subverts this irritating mechanism: Every now and then I get a challenge about a message that I didn't send, because someone (or some virus) forged me into the "From:" address. Those are the only ones I confirm. Duncan Murdoch
>>>>> "Ted" == Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk> >>>>> on Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:36:35 -0000 (GMT) writes:Ted> Hi Folks, A Grumble ... Ted> The message I just sent to R-help about "The hidden Ted> costs of GPL ..." has evoked a "Challenge" response: Ted> Hi, You??ve just sent a message to Ted> diagnosticando at uol.com.br In order to confirm the sent Ted> message, please click here Ted> This confirmation is necessary because Ted> diagnosticando at uol.com.br uses Antispam UOL, a service Ted> that avoids unwanted messages like advertising, Ted> pornography, viruses, and spams. Ted> Other messages sent to diagnosticando at uol.com.br Ted> won't need to be confirmed*. *If you receive another Ted> confirmation request, please ask Ted> diagnosticando at uol.com.br to include you in his/her Ted> authorized e-mail list. Ted> I won't be responding to this. Let the recipient simply Ted> not receive the mail. Of no great importance in this Ted> case, but a disadvantage to the recipient in the long Ted> run. Ted> I disapprove strongly of this mechanism, and want to Ted> oppose it. There must be a few thousand subscribers to Ted> R-help. If the "Challenge" mechanism became widespread, Ted> then I would receive thousands of such messages. Rather Ted> than respond to all these, I would quit the list (and Ted> of course probably many others). The "Challenge" Ted> mechanism would destroy the mailing-list community if Ted> it became widely adopted. Exactly. I've received such a message myself from the same "machine" and -- as mailing list manager -- tried to find out more. The problem is that diagnosticando at uol.com.br is not subscribed to R-help. One other person is and I have written e-mail to that address withOUT getting such a message back.. Again, I completely agree that it is absolutely inacceptable to subscribe from such a spam-blocking address. Ted> One reason I am posting this grumble to R-help is in Ted> the hope that I get a challenge to this one too. In Ted> that case, once and for all, I shall respond, so that Ted> the recipient will see this message and (I hope) do Ted> something about it, to eliminate the "Challenge" Ted> responder (I can't find the true recipient's email Ted> address from the "Challenge"). please let me (or R-help too) know what you find out. Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich (R-help mailing list maintainer) Ted> The recipient may be able to recognise themselves from Ted> the fact that they receive this message but not the Ted> message which triggered the response, which began: Ted> ======================================= On 24-Nov-04 Ted> John wrote: >> Off hand, the costs of GPL'd software are not hidden at >> all. R for instance demands that a would be user sit >> down and learn the language. This in turn pushes a user >> into learning more about statistics than the simple >> overview that Stat 1 presents a student. Ted> I'd see this as less a cost than a benefit! Ted> ====================================== Ted> My apologies for bothering you with this if you didn't Ted> want to know about it. Ted> Best wishes to all, Ted.