R help - Feb 2004 - RE: system.time(), sys.time() etc

> From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.graves at pdf.com] 
> 
>       Martin says, "This is another instance of S-Plus following R 
> behind and doing it incompatibly [with a reason?] ... ."
> 
>       This is one example of a major issue in "how to wage and win a 
> standards war", discussed by Shapiro and Varian (1998) 
> Information Rules 
> (Harvard Business School Press).  Whether you're Bill Gates or Larry 
> Ellison, you want to make it easy for people to move to your product 
> from a competitor but expensive for your current customers to 
> escape to 
> the competition. 
> 
>       Spencer Graves
But I believe neither Insightful nor R-core would want to see each other as
competitor.  (Reality might be quite different.)  It would not be in the
best interest of either party.

(Apologies for putting words in R-Core's mouth.  As for Insightful, at least
that's David Smith's word when he talked about `Future of S-PLUs' at
the
2002 Insightful Technology Conference.)

Andy


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Hi, Andy:  That's great.  I hope it stays that way.  Spencer Graves

Liaw, Andy wrote:
>>From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.graves at pdf.com] 
>>
>>      Martin says, "This is another instance of S-Plus following R 
>>behind and doing it incompatibly [with a reason?] ... ."
>>
>>      This is one example of a major issue in "how to wage and win
a
>>standards war", discussed by Shapiro and Varian (1998) 
>>Information Rules 
>>(Harvard Business School Press).  Whether you're Bill Gates or Larry
>>Ellison, you want to make it easy for people to move to your product 
>>from a competitor but expensive for your current customers to 
>>escape to 
>>the competition. 
>>
>>      Spencer Graves
>>    
>>
>
>But I believe neither Insightful nor R-core would want to see each other as
>competitor.  (Reality might be quite different.)  It would not be in the
>best interest of either party.
>
>(Apologies for putting words in R-Core's mouth.  As for Insightful, at
least
>that's David Smith's word when he talked about `Future of
S-PLUs' at the
>2002 Insightful Technology Conference.)
>
>Andy
>
>
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>>>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:08:36 -0500,
>>>>> Liaw, Andy (LA) wrote:
  >> From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.graves at pdf.com] 
  >> 
  >> Martin says, "This is another instance of S-Plus following R 
  >> behind and doing it incompatibly [with a reason?] ... ."
  >> 
  >> This is one example of a major issue in "how to wage and win a 
  >> standards war", discussed by Shapiro and Varian (1998) 
  >> Information Rules 
  >> (Harvard Business School Press).  Whether you're Bill Gates or
Larry
  >> Ellison, you want to make it easy for people to move to your product 
  >> from a competitor but expensive for your current customers to 
  >> escape to 
  >> the competition. 
  >> 
  >> Spencer Graves

  > But I believe neither Insightful nor R-core would want to see each other
as
  > competitor.  (Reality might be quite different.)  It would not be in the
  > best interest of either party.

  > (Apologies for putting words in R-Core's mouth.  As for Insightful,
at least
  > that's David Smith's word when he talked about `Future of
S-PLUs' at the
  > 2002 Insightful Technology Conference.)


I never saw R about trying to be a competition or replacement for
Splus, in fact many of us in R Core think that it is an advantage for
R that there also is a commercially supported version of S. I
personally would rather like to see if S (i.e. R and Splus combined)
gain market share at the cost of certain other statistical software
packages (e.g., ones matching the regular expression S..?S :-)

Best,
Fritz