As a user of only R, I don't use much of the potential of ESS and Emacs. Without entering a religious feud, is there any reason I should use XEmacs rather than my current GNU Emacs? (I looked on the XEmacs site, but I didn't understand the programming issues they were talking about (over my head).) Martin Henry H. Stevens, Assistant Professor 338 Pearson Hall Botany Department Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 Office: (513) 529-4206 Lab: (513) 529-4262 FAX: (513) 529-4243 http://www.muohio.edu/~botcwis/bot/henry.html -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
>>>>> "martin" == Martin Henry H Stevens <HStevens at muohio.edu> writes:martin> As a user of only R, I don't use much of the potential of ESS and martin> Emacs. Without entering a religious feud, is there any reason I should martin> use XEmacs rather than my current GNU Emacs? Practically, the difference lies between "gloss" and clean/fast, at least in the older versions. I can't think of any other issue that is practical, in deciding between them. Most of the XEmacs features (along with "more"), were incorporates in the Emacs 21.x series. I think XEmacs is more user friendly and better (I'm not sure how well Emacs handles color within terminal shells, which is important for me, probably not for others), but I'm severely biased, so be a Bayesian about the information. Emacs is fine and acceptable. best, -tony -- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini at u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini at scharp.org -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ ---------------- FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.) -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
On 07/02/02 17:25, Martin Henry H. Stevens wrote:>As a user of only R, I don't use much of the potential of ESS and Emacs. >Without entering a religious feud, is there any reason I should use XEmacs >rather than my current GNU Emacs?Not really. But I use it because I like some of the features, such as gnuclient*. I switched recently. For an interesting discussion see the relevant sections of http://www.jwz.org/doc/ which is also under "nerd documents" in http://www.jwz.org/ Jamie Zawinski, who now manages a night club in San Francisco, is also the inventor/maintainer of xscreensaver, one of the really nice features of Linux. Jon Baron * Once you start the program, you don't need to open new windows for different documents. Use gnuclient instead. It is faster. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
>>>>> "jonathan" == Jonathan Baron <baron at cattell.psych.upenn.edu> writes:jonathan> Not really. But I use it because I like some of the features, jonathan> such as gnuclient*. I switched recently. emacsclient should (or used to) provide similar features for Emacs. -- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini at u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini at scharp.org -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ ---------------- FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.) -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._
If you are on Windoze, there is one possibly important difference: object name completion in ESS is fast in XEmacs. In NTEmacs it's so slow that I used to think that Emacs had frozen. Andy> -----Original Message----- > From: rossini at blindglobe.net [mailto:rossini at blindglobe.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:45 PM > To: Martin Henry H. Stevens > Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch > Subject: Re: [R] XEmacs vs. GNU Emacs? > > > >>>>> "martin" == Martin Henry H Stevens <HStevens at muohio.edu> writes: > > martin> As a user of only R, I don't use much of the > potential of ESS and > martin> Emacs. Without entering a religious feud, is > there any reason I should > martin> use XEmacs rather than my current GNU Emacs? > > Practically, the difference lies between "gloss" and clean/fast, at > least in the older versions. > > I can't think of any other issue that is practical, in deciding > between them. Most of the XEmacs features (along with "more"), were > incorporates in the Emacs 21.x series. > > I think XEmacs is more user friendly and better (I'm not sure how well > Emacs handles color within terminal shells, which is important for me, > probably not for others), but I'm severely biased, so be a Bayesian > about the information. > > Emacs is fine and acceptable. > > best, > -tony > > -- > A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of > Biostatistics > U. of Washington Biostatistics > rossini at u.washington.edu > FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini at scharp.org > -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ > ---------------- > FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty > sketchy/use Email > UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX > (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.) > > > > -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- > r-help mailing list -- Readhttp://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. _._ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck & Co., Inc. (Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by e-mail and then delete it. ============================================================================= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- r-help mailing list -- Read http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html Send "info", "help", or "[un]subscribe" (in the "body", not the subject !) To: r-help-request at stat.math.ethz.ch _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._