llvm dev - Jan 2005 - [LLVMdev] Re: LLVM to SUIF-MACH VM binary (Chris Lattner, John Cortes)

Dear friends,

I have been using the SUIF Machine infrastructure for sometime. Some 
optimizations are available without using a target machine, i.e. at the 
SUIFvm level. At this level you have "infinite" registers. Other 
optimizations, including analyses as for profiling require the use of a 
target library, a complete backend. It is very sad, that they have 
discontinued their MIPS backend years ago, and only Alpha, and backends 
for the ugly x86. In terms of research, the most necessary backends are 
the following (personal opinion).

1. MIPS R3000, R4400, R10000
2. SPARC V7 to V9 (very close to no. 1)
3. PowerPC
4. ARM7, ARM9, ARM11
5. Alphas, but since the Alpha has very low sales in Europe, and talking 
from my point of view it is not that necessary.

If a backend is to be used you have to do at least the following:
do_gen ... with option -target_lib <my_target>
do_raga ... this does the register allocation
do_fin ... this finalizes code

Anyway usually i print out of the MachSUIF IR the information I need in 
the form of data-dependence graphs. There is no such tool in their 
02.07.15 distribution so i have written a small pass to do the job. 
Interfacing to the SUIF IR (kind of object file format) is somewhat 
complex. It would need some work to convert between LLVM IR and SUIF IR 
in their internal format.

At their SUIFvm (virtual machine instruction set) level you have some 
optimizations:

1. Passes in their distribution
Constant propagation
SSA-to-CFG and CFG-to-SSA
C backend (this is very buggy, e.g. functions returning void or struct 
types are not properly reproduced)
Peephole optim.
Libraries to use for data-flow analysis (dfa), control-flow analysis 
(cfa) based on Muchnick's book

2. A few of the available external passes (including mine)
DAG extraction tool (at http://www.geocities.com/kaveirious/) named as 
'bbpart'
Passes at EPFL (best is their unused code for local-CSE and their 
if-conversion pass)

CONCLUSIONS: MachineSUIF requires several addons that the user oughts to 
write in order to get his work done. LLVM seems much more COMPLETE and 
much more ACTIVE. MachSUIF is pretty much DEAD since late 2002-mid 2003.

LLVM can become the first widely used RISC-like VM. It has much potential.

Regards

Nikolaos Kavvadias
Aristotle University of Thessaloniki
Electronics Lab
Department of Physics
Thessaloniki, Greece

Nikolaos Kavvadias wrote:
> Dear friends,
> 
> I have been using the SUIF Machine infrastructure for sometime. Some 
> optimizations are available without using a target machine, i.e. at the 
> SUIFvm level. At this level you have "infinite" registers. Other 
> optimizations, including analyses as for profiling require the use of a 
> target library, a complete backend. It is very sad, that they have 
> discontinued their MIPS backend years ago, and only Alpha, and backends 
> for the ugly x86. In terms of research, the most necessary backends are 
> the following (personal opinion).
> 
> 1. MIPS R3000, R4400, R10000
> 2. SPARC V7 to V9 (very close to no. 1)
> 3. PowerPC
> 4. ARM7, ARM9, ARM11
> 5. Alphas, but since the Alpha has very low sales in Europe, and talking 
> from my point of view it is not that necessary.
> 
> If a backend is to be used you have to do at least the following:
> do_gen ... with option -target_lib <my_target>
> do_raga ... this does the register allocation
> do_fin ... this finalizes code
> 
> Anyway usually i print out of the MachSUIF IR the information I need in 
> the form of data-dependence graphs. There is no such tool in their 
> 02.07.15 distribution so i have written a small pass to do the job. 
> Interfacing to the SUIF IR (kind of object file format) is somewhat 
> complex. It would need some work to convert between LLVM IR and SUIF IR 
> in their internal format.
Yeah, i figured it was a hassle.  I tried including the SUIFvm header files and 
got more errors than I bargained for.  Looks like it hasn't been updated to
be
portable.  I need some help in getting these suifvm references into the code
I'm
writing.  Could you have any specific information on the suifvm or suif ir so I 
could write it by hand?  The documentation available on the mach-suif website 
doesn't seem to be enough.

> 
> At their SUIFvm (virtual machine instruction set) level you have some 
> optimizations:
> 
> 1. Passes in their distribution
> Constant propagation
> SSA-to-CFG and CFG-to-SSA
> C backend (this is very buggy, e.g. functions returning void or struct 
> types are not properly reproduced)
> Peephole optim.
> Libraries to use for data-flow analysis (dfa), control-flow analysis 
> (cfa) based on Muchnick's book
> 
> 2. A few of the available external passes (including mine)
> DAG extraction tool (at http://www.geocities.com/kaveirious/) named as 
> 'bbpart'
> Passes at EPFL (best is their unused code for local-CSE and their 
> if-conversion pass)
> 
> CONCLUSIONS: MachineSUIF requires several addons that the user oughts to 
> write in order to get his work done. LLVM seems much more COMPLETE and 
> much more ACTIVE. MachSUIF is pretty much DEAD since late 2002-mid 2003.
> 
> LLVM can become the first widely used RISC-like VM. It has much potential.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nikolaos Kavvadias
> Aristotle University of Thessaloniki
> Electronics Lab
> Department of Physics
> Thessaloniki, Greece
> 
> 
- John

On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 02:38:39AM -0800, John Cortes
wrote:
> I tried including the SUIFvm header files and got more errors than I
> bargained for.  Looks like it hasn't been updated to be portable.  I
> need some help in getting these suifvm references into the code I'm
> writing.
While I understand that your current goal is translating LLVM -> SUIF,
it seems that you're running into problems with the SUIF IR itself.

Could you explain the overall goals of your project?  It may be possible
to do it all within LLVM, possibly with some extensions.  As I see it,
you're looking either at writing SUIF additions or LLVM additions, and
given the wealth of LLVM documentation and the fact that it's very
actively maintained, that may be the better route.  However, it all
depends on what you want, what LLVM currently provides, and what it can
be extended to do within reasonable amount of time...
> Could you have any specific information on the suifvm or suif ir so I
> could write it by hand?  The documentation available on the mach-suif
> website doesn't seem to be enough.
This might make things somewhat difficult...

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