Hi, more than a month ago I proposed an addition to the HOWTO to address a certain packet classification problem/bug and how to fix it (see http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2005q3/016728.html). I never received any reaction from the HOWTO maintainers, not even when addressing them directly (see mail below). Given that a month has gone by: Is the HOWTO currently unmaintained? Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve@fsfeurope.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
On Wednesday 17 August 2005 10:04, Georg C. F. Greve wrote:> I never received any reaction from the HOWTO maintainers, not even > when addressing them directly (see mail below). > > Given that a month has gone by: Is the HOWTO currently unmaintained?www.lartc.org says: "Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO Current version is 1.0.0 Files were last updated at 2004-03-31 00:11 CET (ie, about 12108.1 hours ago)." So yes, I''d guess it''s not actively maintained. Andreas
|| On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:19:54 +0200 || Andreas Klauer <Andreas.Klauer@metamorpher.de> wrote: ak> www.lartc.org says: ak> "Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO Current version ak> is 1.0.0 Files were last updated at 2004-03-31 00:11 CET (ie, ak> about 12108.1 hours ago)." ak> So yes, I''d guess it''s not actively maintained. Thanks for that quick reply. I guess the obvious question then is: How do we get it maintained? Does anyone know where the current maintainers have disappeared? Is anyone willing to take over that job? Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve@fsfeurope.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) Join the Fellowship and protect your freedom! (http://www.fsfe.org) _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
>I guess the obvious question then is: How do we get it maintained? > >Does anyone know where the current maintainers have disappeared? > >Is anyone willing to take over that job? > >I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the documentation there. This would make it easier for people to contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s current format to a wiki Just a thought Ed W
On 8/17/05, Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote:> > >I guess the obvious question then is: How do we get it maintained? > > > >Does anyone know where the current maintainers have disappeared? > > > >Is anyone willing to take over that job? > > > > > > I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the > documentation there. This would make it easier for people to > contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s > current format to a wiki > > Just a thought >And a great one I might add. Does anybody know how busy the current site is? If not too busy (i.e.< 10GB a month) I''d gladly put up a wiki on my server for it. If it get''s busier I''ll just have to move it to another server in due course. I''ve also gotten very frustrated with some old outdated information, and especially the lack of information regarding the 2.6.x kernel. All in favour...? Regards -- Kenneth Kalmer kenneth.kalmer@gmail.com Folding@home stats http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=kenneth%2Ekalmer
I don''t even think this is list is being maintained. Several people have tried to unsubscribe.>From: Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> >To: "Georg C. F. Greve" <greve@fsfeurope.org> >CC: Andreas Klauer <Andreas.Klauer@metamorpher.de>,lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl >Subject: Re: [LARTC] HOWTO unmaintained? >Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:28:10 +0100 > > >>I guess the obvious question then is: How do we get it maintained? >> >>Does anyone know where the current maintainers have disappeared? >> >>Is anyone willing to take over that job? >> >> > >I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the >documentation there. This would make it easier for people to contribute, >and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s current format to >a wiki > >Just a thought > >Ed W >_______________________________________________ >LARTC mailing list >LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl >http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
Hi Kenneth, Aye/puts hand up in agreement. A wiki would be great. The problem right now is there is little, and usually not very good, documentation on how to setup queue''s and other advanced routing. The end result this list is full of people asking questions and very few who answer. :L> And a great one I might add. Does anybody know how busy the current > site is? If not too busy (i.e.< 10GB a month) I''d gladly put up a wiki > on my server for it. If it get''s busier I''ll just have to move it to > another server in due course. > > I''ve also gotten very frustrated with some old outdated information, > and especially the lack of information regarding the 2.6.x kernel. > > All in favour...?
Hi, I got frustrated with it several months ago when I tried to update IMQ information and never got a response. I can host a WiKi too, maybe we can mirror content and share the task. I''m not sure if any WiKi has a mirroring functionality but we can figure this out. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andre D. Correa, CISSP | Visite meus projetos pessoais: andre.correa (at) pobox.com | Visit my personal projects: http://andre.hiperlinks.com.br | -http://malware.hiperlinks.com.br Sao Paulo / SP / Brazil | -http://www.linuximq.net/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Kalmer wrote:> On 8/17/05, Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote: > >>>I guess the obvious question then is: How do we get it maintained? >>> >>>Does anyone know where the current maintainers have disappeared? >>> >>>Is anyone willing to take over that job? >>> >>> >> >>I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the >>documentation there. This would make it easier for people to >>contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s >>current format to a wiki >> >>Just a thought >> > > > And a great one I might add. Does anybody know how busy the current > site is? If not too busy (i.e.< 10GB a month) I''d gladly put up a wiki > on my server for it. If it get''s busier I''ll just have to move it to > another server in due course. > > I''ve also gotten very frustrated with some old outdated information, > and especially the lack of information regarding the 2.6.x kernel. > > All in favour...? > > Regards >
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:28:10 +0100 Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote:> > >I guess the obvious question then is: How do we get it maintained? > > > >Does anyone know where the current maintainers have disappeared? > > > >Is anyone willing to take over that job? > > > > > > I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the > documentation there. This would make it easier for people to > contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s > current format to a wiki >Good idea, I''ll see if the OSDL will put up a wiki for it on developer.osdl.org, stay tuned.
> Aye/puts hand up in agreement. > > A wiki would be great. The problem right now is there is little, and usually > not very good, documentation on how to setup queue''s and other advanced > routing. > > The end result this list is full of people asking questions and very few who > answer.i am totally pro refreshing the lartc howto. and wiki is a great idea -- *Dariusz ''tdi'' Dwornikowski | Gentoo | admin at pozman.pl | *[JID]:tdi@gentoo.pl|[gg]:2266034|[IRC]:#gentoo-pl@freenode | *[MAIL]:tdi@pozman.pl|[WWW]:www.tdi.pozman.pl | *Serwery,administracja,webapps - www.ProAdmin.com.pl | *Fingerprint:43E21CC46DAFD2F754E91547D59B39F56AAA4B5F | _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
It seems strange that astronomers discovered a whole set of Black Holes at about the time the maintainers vanished... It looks like a number of people are offering sites - IMHO, a "distributed" wiki (ie: you can edit at any of the sites) or a master/mirror setup would be good, as that would help prevent problems if site maintainers get kidnapped by aliens, sites get slashdotted, etc. It would also be good if at least one site offered multiple ways to connect - eg: via an IPSec tunnel or via IPv6 - as this would give people a simple way of testing what they''re trying. --- Kenneth Kalmer <kenneth.kalmer@gmail.com> wrote:> On 8/17/05, Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote: > > > > >I guess the obvious question then is: How do we > get it maintained? > > > > > >Does anyone know where the current maintainers > have disappeared? > > > > > >Is anyone willing to take over that job? > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and > consider uploading the > > documentation there. This would make it easier > for people to > > contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to > convert from it''s > > current format to a wiki > > > > Just a thought > > > > And a great one I might add. Does anybody know how > busy the current > site is? If not too busy (i.e.< 10GB a month) I''d > gladly put up a wiki > on my server for it. If it get''s busier I''ll just > have to move it to > another server in due course. > > I''ve also gotten very frustrated with some old > outdated information, > and especially the lack of information regarding the > 2.6.x kernel. > > All in favour...? > > Regards > > -- > > Kenneth Kalmer > kenneth.kalmer@gmail.com > > Folding@home stats >http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=kenneth%2Ekalmer> _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl >http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
On Wednesday 17 August 2005 19:05, Jonathan Day wrote:> It looks like a number of people are offering sites - > IMHO, a "distributed" wiki (ie: you can edit at any of > the sites) or a master/mirror setup would be good, as > that would help prevent problems if site maintainers > get kidnapped by aliens, sites get slashdotted, etc.I''d prefer if we could keep the central site www.lartc.org since that location is already more than well known. If the owner just doesn''t have the time to maintain the Howto anymore, it would be best to put the wiki directly there, since that can be self-maintained by the users then. So I suggest we at least try to contact the original maintainer / domain owner before putting a Wiki just anywhere. If that''s not possible, I think I''d prefer one central, but reliable long-term host over a distributed solution. Mirrors are fine, though.> It would also be good if at least one site offered > multiple ways to connect - eg: via an IPSec tunnel or > via IPv6 - as this would give people a simple way of > testing what they''re trying.There are sites that let you run a connection speed test and stuff. However, this does not have to do anything with the Wiki per se. Regards Andreas Klauer
Jonathan Day schrieb:> It seems strange that astronomers discovered a whole > set of Black Holes at about the time the maintainers > vanished... > > It looks like a number of people are offering sites - > IMHO, a "distributed" wiki (ie: you can edit at any of > the sites) or a master/mirror setup would be good, as > that would help prevent problems if site maintainers > get kidnapped by aliens, sites get slashdotted, etc.Or some big organization like SUSE/RedHat/etc. who are unlikely to vanish could offer hosting a wiki. That makes alien abduction and slashdotting really unlikely. Using multiple sites is always a problem because invariably people will lose interest, sites will get out of sync, the question which site should be linked from external sites and all of the sites stealing google ranking from each other. If people feel comfortable with SUSE hosting such a wiki, I could ask them. Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/
Andreas Klauer schrieb:> On Wednesday 17 August 2005 19:05, Jonathan Day wrote: > >>It would also be good if at least one site offered >>multiple ways to connect - eg: via an IPSec tunnel or >>via IPv6 - as this would give people a simple way of >>testing what they''re trying. > > There are sites that let you run a connection speed test and stuff. > However, this does not have to do anything with the Wiki per se.Yes, a way to test certain setups would be cool, but you have to be aware that there might be security bugs in the services you offer. Your risk would be higher than for usual setups because people might also be able to use post-authentication bugs. A person setting up such a test system should also be aware that people might use more bandwidth than anticipated. Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/
> It looks like a number of people are offering sites - > IMHO, a "distributed" wiki (ie: you can edit at any of > the sites) or a master/mirror setup would be good, as > that would help prevent problems if site maintainers > get kidnapped by aliens, sites get slashdotted, etc.I think the Wiki, if that route is chosen, should be on the www.lartc.org domain name. This means that we will have to find and contact the administrators of that domain / DNS servers. As far as the distributed web site goes I think it is a good idea. To pull off the distributed site we would need to have the DNS records resolve to multiple boxen across the net. I have considered a self replicating set up for some of my servers and at present I''m looking at using Coda or AFS as a replicating / caching local copies of the remote file system content. I''ve never dealt with Wikis other than and end user (and I say that the ones that I''ve looked at have been slow) so I don''t know what they take to set up. I suspect that they use a database and thus we would want to set up the Wiki to use a database that has real time replication between the two (or more) web servers that the wiki point s to. I would be more than happy to help with such an endeavor. I can not host it at my office (bosses will not let me) but I can help provide content and / or convert stuff.> It would also be good if at least one site offered > multiple ways to connect - eg: via an IPSec tunnel or > via IPv6 - as this would give people a simple way of > testing what they''re trying.Again I am not able to do this, but I think it could be relatively easily done by offering a host with multiple IPs bound to it and give people a UML that they can test things in. Much of the routing / firewalling work that I have done can easily be done in side of a UML. This would mean that a system would need to be fairly capable and running a UML it''s self to be a router in to the UML farm / UML switch backplane. Again I would be more than willing to help set up such a system (and enjoy it at that). I think it would be interesting to do this with multiple distributions and possibly versions there of. To pull this off the box would need to be fairly powerful though to support many people at one time. I''d say that you could get away with a dual multi GHz proc box with at least 2 - 4 GB of RAM. I would expect that this could support 10+ concurrent users in side of UML doing some compiling or more if they are just using recompiled binaries. Grant. . . .
On Wednesday 17 August 2005 23:44, Taylor, Grant wrote:> > It looks like a number of people are offering sites - > > IMHO, a "distributed" wiki (ie: you can edit at any of > > the sites) or a master/mirror setup would be good, as > > that would help prevent problems if site maintainers > > get kidnapped by aliens, sites get slashdotted, etc. > > I think the Wiki, if that route is chosen, should be on the www.lartc.org > domain name. This means that we will have to find and contact the > administrators of that domain / DNS servers.(I''m not official subscribed to this list, but I''m still reading some posts) I know the owner of lartc.org and I mailed him about this problem. I will keep the list updated if he answers me.> As far as the distributed web > site goes I think it is a good idea. To pull off the distributed site we > would need to have the DNS records resolve to multiple boxen across the > net. I have considered a self replicating set up for some of my servers > and at present I''m looking at using Coda or AFS as a replicating / caching > local copies of the remote file system content. I''ve never dealt with > Wikis other than and end user (and I say that the ones that I''ve looked at > have been slow) so I don''t know what they take to set up. I suspect that > they use a database and thus we would want to set up the Wiki to use a > database that has real time replication between the two (or more) web > servers that the wiki points to. I would be more than happy to help with > such an endeavor. I can not host it at my office (bosses will not let me) > but I can help provide content and / or convert stuff.There are lots of wiki''s available. Some use plain text files, some uses mysql, some are written in php, some are written in perl. I prefer the mysql + php way to store the information. Stef
>>I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the >>documentation there. This would make it easier for people to >>contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s >>current format to a wiki >> >> >> > >Good idea, I''ll see if the OSDL will put up a wiki for it >on developer.osdl.org, stay tuned. > >Can I suggest that you look very hard at Mediawiki (ie as per wikipedia). It''s built for scalability, is really easy to edit, very actively maintained, and has all the distributed stuff built in if you really needed to spread the load over several machines. All in all a very grown up documentation tool. Oh and it''s also multi-lingual so it might also be possible to use it to help with the translation issues I mainly mentioned it because I''m sure there are some tools for converting the current lartc faq up to the wiki format and obviously that''s the first main step. If someone will host it then I have some experience maintaining a mediawiki site and could probably help out some Ed w
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:00:30 +0100 Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote:> > >>I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the > >>documentation there. This would make it easier for people to > >>contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s > >>current format to a wiki > >> > >> > >> > > > >Good idea, I''ll see if the OSDL will put up a wiki for it > >on developer.osdl.org, stay tuned. > > > > > > Can I suggest that you look very hard at Mediawiki (ie as per > wikipedia). It''s built for scalability, is really easy to edit, very > actively maintained, and has all the distributed stuff built in if you > really needed to spread the load over several machines. All in all a > very grown up documentation tool. Oh and it''s also multi-lingual so it > might also be possible to use it to help with the translation issues > > I mainly mentioned it because I''m sure there are some tools for > converting the current lartc faq up to the wiki format and obviously > that''s the first main step. > > If someone will host it then I have some experience maintaining a > mediawiki site and could probably help out someOkay, if the lartc.org guys don''t pick it up, I''ll setup a mediawiki when I get back from holiday. For an example see: http://wiki.linux-nfs.org
> > i am totally pro refreshing the lartc howto. and wiki is a great ideaMe too. i''m not active on the list but i want to contribute back... Some time ago i had the same frustation many of you had on the how-to, i was using it for some students and wanted to translate it in italian and then send back the results, but got no response. I do not read the list on a regular basis, but if you want to count my help, i''m here (cc in private mail for direct request helps speeding my reply =) Bye, Ricky
Hi All my previous mails didnt seem to get through. :) So next try. On Sa, Aug 20, 2005 at 01:17:20 +0200, Riccardo Losselli wrote:> >i am totally pro refreshing the lartc howto. and wiki is a great idea > Me too. i''m not active on the list but i want to contribute back... > Some time ago i had the same frustation many of you had on the how-to, i > was using it for some students and wanted to translate it in italian and > then send back the results, but got no response. > I do not read the list on a regular basis, but if you want to count my > help, i''m here (cc in private mail for direct request helps speeding my > reply =)I''m all for the wiki along with the document. So you have a fine rockstable document and a wiki with experiences from the users or examples for new features which are experiemental or somesuch. I would basically volunteer to take over the howto, try to manage translations, perhaps even add some content, though it would be better to leave that to people with more expierences. I will not have too much time until january for this task, but after that I will return to my regular study life, which leaves a time slot here and there, you know... :-) What would be crucial for the further document existence: - CVS with translations (and people who contribute) - Wiki - regular updates (I would try my best) - Some kind of moderation/testing system in order to get new features into the howto (there''s something in my mind, which I cannot get into words as my time is just somewhat limited, but the idea is fine So, if the old developers are willing to give it up and noone with more time steps in between, I hereby offer my time to maintain the HOWTO. Regards, Alexander
Does anyone know where we stand with lartc howto? regards, /virendra Stephen Hemminger wrote:> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:00:30 +0100 > Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com> wrote: > > >>>>I wonder if someone would host a mediawiki and consider uploading the >>>>documentation there. This would make it easier for people to >>>>contribute, and I think it shold be fairly easy to convert from it''s >>>>current format to a wiki >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Good idea, I''ll see if the OSDL will put up a wiki for it >>>on developer.osdl.org, stay tuned. >>> >>> >> >>Can I suggest that you look very hard at Mediawiki (ie as per >>wikipedia). It''s built for scalability, is really easy to edit, very >>actively maintained, and has all the distributed stuff built in if you >>really needed to spread the load over several machines. All in all a >>very grown up documentation tool. Oh and it''s also multi-lingual so it >>might also be possible to use it to help with the translation issues >> >>I mainly mentioned it because I''m sure there are some tools for >>converting the current lartc faq up to the wiki format and obviously >>that''s the first main step. >> >>If someone will host it then I have some experience maintaining a >>mediawiki site and could probably help out some > > > Okay, if the lartc.org guys don''t pick it up, I''ll setup a mediawiki > when I get back from holiday. For an example see: > http://wiki.linux-nfs.org > > > _______________________________________________ > LARTC mailing list > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc >
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:18:24 -0700 noc ops <aptgetd@gmail.com> wrote:> Does anyone know where we stand with lartc howto? > > > regards, > /virendra > > Stephen Hemminger wrote:The new wiki http://linux-net.osdl.org is available and you are welcome to put it there.