ha ha. :| ----- Original Message ----- From: "un" <un@king.dom.de> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems> Kelly Lee Myers: > > Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps andbe> > really safe... > > well, you could consider not broadcasting at all, that would be 0kbps, > and would fit my 9,6kbps gsm connection > ;) scnr > uno > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Griffiths" <john@capmon.com> > > To: <icecast@xiph.org> > > Cc: <icecast@xiph.org> > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM > > Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems > > > > > > > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > > > > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of themabout) or> > will 24 be good enough fo that? > > > > > > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > > >> > > > > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > > > >> > > > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work overa> > modem. > > > >> > > > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k > > modems might > > > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > > > > > > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > > > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput(the> > > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can onlypush> > > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128is> > > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possiblelistener> > > >could receive data that fast. > > > > > > > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good oneto> > > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > > > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modemsget> > > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > > > >fairly wasteful. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
i was thinking i'd try 16 and see how much i hated it. At 12:23 AM 4/6/2001 +0200, un wrote:>Kelly Lee Myers: >> Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be >> really safe... > >well, you could consider not broadcasting at all, that would be 0kbps, >and would fit my 9,6kbps gsm connection >;) scnr >uno > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Griffiths" <john@capmon.com> >> To: <icecast@xiph.org> >> Cc: <icecast@xiph.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM >> Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems >> >> >> > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... >> > >> > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or >> will 24 be good enough fo that? >> > >> > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) >> > >> > >> > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? >> > >> >> > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a >> modem. >> > >> >> > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k >> modems might >> > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. >> > > >> > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which >> > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the >> > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push >> > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is >> > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener >> > >could receive data that fast. >> > > >> > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to >> > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like >> > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get >> > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is >> > >fairly wasteful. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be really safe... Lithium ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Griffiths" <john@capmon.com> To: <icecast@xiph.org> Cc: <icecast@xiph.org> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems> ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) orwill 24 be good enough fo that?> > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > >> > > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > >> > > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > >> > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over amodem.> >> > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56kmodems might> >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener > >could receive data that fast. > > > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > >fairly wasteful. > > > >jack. > > > >--- >8 ---- > >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject isneeded.> >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to'icecast-request@xiph.org'> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Kelly Lee Myers:> Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be > really safe...well, you could consider not broadcasting at all, that would be 0kbps, and would fit my 9,6kbps gsm connection ;) scnr uno> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Griffiths" <john@capmon.com> > To: <icecast@xiph.org> > Cc: <icecast@xiph.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems > > > > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or > will 24 be good enough fo that? > > > > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > >> > > > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > >> > > > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > > >> > > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a > modem. > > >> > > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k > modems might > > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > > > > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the > > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push > > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is > > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener > > >could receive data that fast. > > > > > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to > > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get > > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > > >fairly wasteful.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.