I've just installed v6.3 as a desktop (from Centos-6.3-i386-LiveCD.iso) and to get the hang of the Centos approach and then hope to move on to a server. I've been using linux *buntu for 5 years. Hope i don't sound like a nit but i've got a little confused with the repos. Hoping someone would be kind enough just to clarify. This installation is for stability whilst installing the latest versions available. a] What happens if i select these? I assume that Centos6 is correct so why these? In software sources i have checked; Centos6-base, Centos6-extras, Centos6-updates unchecked; Centos6-contrib, Centos6-media, Centos6-plus i did check these three and media wouldn't, and plus wanted to suggest installation kernel 2.6 [gulp]. Each unchecked without installing. Then we also have the same for 6.0, 6.1, 6.2? b] So which repos to use as i'm unsure where apps are i want to use like efax (ok that's in), yumex, pyrenamer, llgal, abiword. at present i'm not sure which repos to use other than the one's i've mentioned. I then started to look at the repos http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories Centos extras and plus -- are these the same as above? CS/GFS, Centos testing, Fast track, debuginfo, contrib, CR - would seem not applicable to me. 3rd party repos rpmforge (DAG), and EPEL seem likely other repos seem likely to replace core packages which wouldn't be applicable. Google RPM gets a "use with care". I used the google browser on *buntu from their website with no problems so i was wondering what the problem would be and whether to use this repoo or the website. The fact that a maintainer has made this repo suggests a reason rather than just convenience. c] Could one just use pkgs.org to install from? My google "centos abiword" threw up yet another repo 'puias' and this has the latest Abiword version 2.8.6. http://pkgs.org/centos-6-rhel-6/puias-i386/abiword-2.8.6-3.puias6.i686.rpm.html I could just install from pkgs.org/centos-6 it would seem? Point is the repos are maintained by an expert rather than folk just downloading. I was then confused further by this http://miles.isb.bj.edu.cn/2012/03/09/how-to-install-abiword-on-centos-6-x64/ One needs to add epal and rpmforge just for abiword? Surely the dependencies would be in the same repo I'm sure all is quite simple really but i'd be grateful for the guidance before i mess up an installation. thanks
On 01/22/2013 03:01 PM, James Freer wrote:> I've just installed v6.3 as a desktop (from > Centos-6.3-i386-LiveCD.iso) and to get the hang of the Centos approach > and then hope to move on to a server. I've been using linux *buntu for > 5 years. > > Hope i don't sound like a nit but i've got a little confused with the > repos. Hoping someone would be kind enough just to clarify. This > installation is for stability whilst installing the latest versions > available. > > > a] What happens if i select these? I assume that Centos6 is correct so > why these? > > In software sources i have checked; > Centos6-base, Centos6-extras, Centos6-updates > > unchecked; > Centos6-contrib, Centos6-media, Centos6-plus > i did check these three and media wouldn't, and plus wanted to suggest > installation kernel 2.6 [gulp]. Each unchecked without installing. > > Then we also have the same for 6.0, 6.1, 6.2? > > > b] So which repos to use as i'm unsure where apps are i want to use > like efax (ok that's in), yumex, pyrenamer, llgal, abiword. at present > i'm not sure which repos to use other than the one's i've mentioned. > > I then started to look at the repos > http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories > > Centos extras and plus -- are these the same as above? > CS/GFS, Centos testing, Fast track, debuginfo, contrib, CR - would > seem not applicable to me. > > 3rd party repos > rpmforge (DAG), and EPEL seem likely > other repos seem likely to replace core packages which wouldn't be applicable. > Google RPM gets a "use with care". I used the google browser on *buntu > from their website with no problems so i was wondering what the > problem would be and whether to use this repoo or the website. The > fact that a maintainer has made this repo suggests a reason rather > than just convenience. > > > c] Could one just use pkgs.org to install from? > > My google "centos abiword" threw up yet another repo 'puias' and this > has the latest Abiword version 2.8.6. > http://pkgs.org/centos-6-rhel-6/puias-i386/abiword-2.8.6-3.puias6.i686.rpm.html > I could just install from pkgs.org/centos-6 it would seem? Point is > the repos are maintained by an expert rather than folk just > downloading. > > I was then confused further by this > http://miles.isb.bj.edu.cn/2012/03/09/how-to-install-abiword-on-centos-6-x64/ > One needs to add epal and rpmforge just for abiword? Surely the > dependencies would be in the same repo > > > I'm sure all is quite simple really but i'd be grateful for the > guidance before i mess up an installation.puias is another rebuild of RHEL code (like CentOS .. but a different project) ... they also just changed their name to Springdale Linux: http://springdale.math.ias.edu/ WRT recommended repos (that also explains what extras is, centosplus is, etc): http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories Basically, for almost everything I need, I can get it from CentOS, EPEL, and maybe RPMForge. As far as the distro is concerned, CentOS-6 is the distro and the point releases are basically just point in time freezes to generate new install media. You will always get to the latest version of CentOS-6 (currently 6.3 and updates to that) by doing "yum update" CR is a way to "point release" updates about a week faster, we release the RPMS when they are ready, into CR and then we make ISOs out of them and release the next version. It usually takes 5-10 days to make the ISOs, test them and seed them. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20130122/68d48ef7/attachment-0005.sig>
James Freer wrote:> I've just installed v6.3 as a desktop (from > Centos-6.3-i386-LiveCD.iso) and to get the hang of the Centos approach > and then hope to move on to a server. I've been using linux *buntu for > 5 years. > > Hope i don't sound like a nit but i've got a little confused with the > repos. Hoping someone would be kind enough just to clarify. This > installation is for stability whilst installing the latest versions > available.<snip>> b] So which repos to use as i'm unsure where apps are i want to use > 3rd party repos > rpmforge (DAG), and EPEL seem likely > other repos seem likely to replace core packages which wouldn't be > applicable.<snip> Here at work, we use rpmfusion and epel. RPMforge too often has packages that have dependencies that conflict with base CentOS packages. I've been using elrepo *very* cautiously, but that's only been for kmod-nvidia. mark mark
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote:> On 01/22/2013 03:01 PM, James Freer wrote: >> I've just installed v6.3 as a desktop (from >> Centos-6.3-i386-LiveCD.iso) and to get the hang of the Centos approach >> and then hope to move on to a server. I've been using linux *buntu for >> 5 years. >> >> Hope i don't sound like a nit but i've got a little confused with the >> repos. Hoping someone would be kind enough just to clarify. This >> installation is for stability whilst installing the latest versions >> available. >> >> >> a] What happens if i select these? I assume that Centos6 is correct so >> why these? >> >> In software sources i have checked; >> Centos6-base, Centos6-extras, Centos6-updates >> >> unchecked; >> Centos6-contrib, Centos6-media, Centos6-plus >> i did check these three and media wouldn't, and plus wanted to suggest >> installation kernel 2.6 [gulp]. Each unchecked without installing. >> >> Then we also have the same for 6.0, 6.1, 6.2? >> >> >> b] So which repos to use as i'm unsure where apps are i want to use >> like efax (ok that's in), yumex, pyrenamer, llgal, abiword. at present >> i'm not sure which repos to use other than the one's i've mentioned. >> >> I then started to look at the repos >> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories >> >> Centos extras and plus -- are these the same as above? >> CS/GFS, Centos testing, Fast track, debuginfo, contrib, CR - would >> seem not applicable to me. >> >> 3rd party repos >> rpmforge (DAG), and EPEL seem likely >> other repos seem likely to replace core packages which wouldn't be applicable. >> Google RPM gets a "use with care". I used the google browser on *buntu >> from their website with no problems so i was wondering what the >> problem would be and whether to use this repoo or the website. The >> fact that a maintainer has made this repo suggests a reason rather >> than just convenience. >> >> >> c] Could one just use pkgs.org to install from? >> >> My google "centos abiword" threw up yet another repo 'puias' and this >> has the latest Abiword version 2.8.6. >> http://pkgs.org/centos-6-rhel-6/puias-i386/abiword-2.8.6-3.puias6.i686.rpm.html >> I could just install from pkgs.org/centos-6 it would seem? Point is >> the repos are maintained by an expert rather than folk just >> downloading. >> >> I was then confused further by this >> http://miles.isb.bj.edu.cn/2012/03/09/how-to-install-abiword-on-centos-6-x64/ >> One needs to add epal and rpmforge just for abiword? Surely the >> dependencies would be in the same repo >> >> >> I'm sure all is quite simple really but i'd be grateful for the >> guidance before i mess up an installation. > > puias is another rebuild of RHEL code (like CentOS .. but a different > project) ... they also just changed their name to Springdale Linux: > > http://springdale.math.ias.edu/ > > WRT recommended repos (that also explains what extras is, centosplus is, > etc): > > http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories > > Basically, for almost everything I need, I can get it from CentOS, EPEL, > and maybe RPMForge. > > As far as the distro is concerned, CentOS-6 is the distro and the point > releases are basically just point in time freezes to generate new > install media. You will always get to the latest version of CentOS-6 > (currently 6.3 and updates to that) by doing "yum update" > > CR is a way to "point release" updates about a week faster, we release > the RPMS when they are ready, into CR and then we make ISOs out of them > and release the next version. It usually takes 5-10 days to make the > ISOs, test them and seed them.puias... sorry i overlooked that. Clear enough now. I'll use the epal and rpmforge repos and see how i get on. thanks james
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:> > > Am 26.01.2013 22:07, schrieb James Freer: >> From what i have seen of fedora and centos in the rpm world the repos >> are very much better in the debian world. To me the stability comes >> from the distro and it's repos. Not being able to install Abiword or >> yumex, having to spend time selecting options for repos to me simply >> isn't worth it. >> >> I've just installed a Slackware distro today and it's the best i've >> ever tried in 6 years of using linux. It's speed, ease of installation >> put's it in a league of its own. Or as their 'chilling warning goes' >> Once you go Slack... you never go back! > > have fun with a package management without dependency tracking > well, without the probles above are hidden, but not solved > > a funny thing to play with - but laughable for production environments > which you maintain over many years without reinstall them ever >Like debian is improved on with derivative distros, when i said slack i was referring to a derivative Salix... with package management Gslapt which is very similar to synaptic. Hate to say it but imo very much better than yum. You've been a nice friendly crowd but centos isn't for me. james
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:> > > Am 26.01.2013 22:07, schrieb James Freer: >> From what i have seen of fedora and centos in the rpm world the repos >> are very much better in the debian world. To me the stability comes >> from the distro and it's repos. Not being able to install Abiword or >> yumex, having to spend time selecting options for repos to me simply >> isn't worth it. >> >> I've just installed a Slackware distro today and it's the best i've >> ever tried in 6 years of using linux. It's speed, ease of installation >> put's it in a league of its own. Or as their 'chilling warning goes' >> Once you go Slack... you never go back!What!> have fun with a package management without dependency tracking > well, without the probles above are hidden, but not solved > > a funny thing to play with - but laughable for production environments > which you maintain over many years without reinstall them ever>From what i've read Slackware has had dependency problems coveredsince it introduced Gslapt ans Slapt. From what i could see last evening it seems as good as apt/synaptic. Although one could say that's not much good; synaptic doesn't completely remove all associated files, neither does apt's --purge option, although the more recent --autoremove does. But Debian's default package manager aptitude which few know how to use as they don't print off and read the 1 ins thick manual that comes with it - aptitude is the best package manager of all. There was only dependency problems with rpm and debian's dpkg - the apps didn't cope with it. Yum may do it now but it is also very slow by comparison with Aptitude. I think you've been unfairly critical tbh. From what i can deduce neither Debian or Redhat systems come close to the speed of slackware and i don't know why yet. james