As I hijacked a thread... I thought I'd start this new one. Yes, shame on me. Karanbir Singh wrote: > John Hinton wrote: >> As a side, I could see blossoming a Wiki area specific to email which might >> eventually fill out to an extremely robust set of how to's for installations >> of what amounts to being some of the very hardest things that I've >> accomplished with CentOS. Yes SpamAssassin is a powerful tool, but for >> instance the default setup that comes out of the box is fairly weak. A trip >> to the SpamAssassin site will just leave you mostly confused and reading for >> hours only to find out that what you think is good might not be applicable >> to your system. > Given that, I think it might be a good idea to tackle some of this on > the wiki itself rather than needing a list for it. One thing that we are > working on at the moment is to try and get a commenting system working > on the wiki - so if drive-by users have comments / issues / feedback or > even a contribution of some sort in content - they can drop that in > there with a near zero barrier to entry. The Editorial Team on the wiki > can then evaluate that for inclusion in the main article or leave it as > a comment. This would certainly be a great start. As I see it, a mailsystem Wiki should have some specific divisions itself. One would be 'General' and then it would likely need 'Sendmail', 'Postfix', 'Qmail' areas. I'm just thinking out loud here. I've never done anything on a Wiki. I think a good initial layout however would be important. I'm trying to think about the gotchas I discover when trying to search for things. It seems like it always comes up two out of three and therefore isn't relevant. Sounds like I've just volunteered myself to participate in this Wiki! And yes, I'd be thrilled to! >> I think a fair number of the members of this list and the users of CentOS >> are using it in a server environment and require email. And basically, if >> you require email that is not exclusively internal to a network, spam is a >> huge battle which requires constant time... and I mean hours and hours and >> hours and hours of time. I just spent about 4 days on this again this past >> week. > I am about to take the plunge into this area after about 2 years and > completely rework my own anti-spam system. Hope to take loads of notes > and get them onto the wiki. Pros and Cons would be another great area. Revisiting what I had been doing this past week took me down a few trails to not being satisfied with the end result. Hours spent to a dead end. There are many products out there and each seems to have some gotcha. It would be nice to know how well they get along with CentOS, how well they perform on various levels of load as well as results for accuracy in delivery. > We have plenty of resources within the CentOS setup. I dont see hosting > something of this nature being too hard. However, i think it might be > important to work out what we want to host. IMHO, email is too niche an > area to have a dedicated list for it. Something like NetworkServices > might be a better target. I would be happy with anything! I always feel like I am off topic when posting email system questions to the CentOS list and I do think it is. NetworkServices could be a good place. I'm not sure it's the place for network hardware discussions... but I don't know. I haven't looked lately at how the mailing list are advertised. A good name for the list would certainly help it become more robust or having more users specific to that or those topics. Best, John Hinton
On Friday 29 February 2008 17:35:25 John Hinton wrote:> This would certainly be a great start. As I see it, a mailsystem Wiki > should have some specific divisions itself. One would be 'General' and > then it would likely need 'Sendmail', 'Postfix', 'Qmail' areas. I'm just > thinking out loud here. I've never done anything on a Wiki. I think a > good initial layout however would be important. I'm trying to think > about the gotchas I discover when trying to search for things. It seems > like it always comes up two out of three and therefore isn't relevant. >Thinking of organisation, it would need subdivisions for each part of the equation. I think each entry would benefit from an 'executive summary'. where pros and cons can be quickly evaluation - and I'd put it at the beginning, just after the index. That way it would be relatively easy to evaluate which alternatives were most likely to suit the purpose. The main body would probably be a how-to. How does that sound?> Sounds like I've just volunteered myself to participate in this Wiki! > And yes, I'd be thrilled to!I'd be happy to discuss the issues as suited to a family LAN imap server. I use fetchmail, dovecot, procmail, postfix and kmail for my setup. Anne -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20080229/d8e13419/attachment.sig>
Anne Wilson <cannewilson at googlemail.com> wrote:> On Friday 29 February 2008 17:35:25 John Hinton wrote: >> > This would certainly be a great start. As I see it, a mailsystem Wiki >> > should have some specific divisions itself. One would be 'General' and >> > then it would likely need 'Sendmail', 'Postfix', 'Qmail' areas. I'm just >> > thinking out loud here. I've never done anything on a Wiki. I think a >> > good initial layout however would be important. I'm trying to think >> > about the gotchas I discover when trying to search for things. It seems >> > like it always comes up two out of three and therefore isn't relevant. >> > >> > Thinking of organisation, it would need subdivisions for each part of the > equation. I think each entry would benefit from an 'executive summary'. > where pros and cons can be quickly evaluation - and I'd put it at the > beginning, just after the index. That way it would be relatively easy to > evaluate which alternatives were most likely to suit the purpose. The main > body would probably be a how-to. How does that sound? > > >> > Sounds like I've just volunteered myself to participate in this Wiki! >> > And yes, I'd be thrilled to! >> > > I'd be happy to discuss the issues as suited to a family LAN imap server. I > use fetchmail, dovecot, procmail, postfix and kmail for my setup.sendmail, dspam and dovecot here. I keep saying I'll post an article to my blog about how I got dspam working with Apache 2.2. I still have some testing to do and a few loose ends to tie up before I would say it's ready to inflict on others. Cheers, Dave -- Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. -- Ambrose Bierce
Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org> wrote:> David G. Miller wrote: >> > sendmail, dspam and dovecot here. I keep saying I'll post an article to >> > my blog about how I got dspam working with Apache 2.2. >> > > get it on wiki,centos.org instead :DI document "how I did it" on my blog. Especially when this is a work in progress like dspam and Apache, it would be a really a good idea to wait until I've got the kinks worked out. Let me get my "how I did it" for dspam and Apache on my blog and then we can decide whether it belongs on the wiki. Cheers, Dave -- Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. -- Ambrose Bierce