When I bought two Polycom 501 SIP phones, I naively thought they were Power-over-Ethernet (IEEE 802.3af) because they were "powered over ethernet." Silly me. Polycom must have some odd voltage or funny way of injecting the power, because the POE switch I bought for them (Netgear F@510P) won't power them, though if I use the Polycom-supplied AC adapter and ethernet power injector cable, they work with the switch in either its powered or unpowered ports. Anyhow, I hadn't seen any mention of how people power these phones, as I had planned on centralizing phone power on a UPS to supply my Asterisk server and POE switch. Now the question is: Can the Polycom AC-powered injector be used with a standard ethernet patch cable: switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch cable :: Polycom 501 which would allow me to power the Polycom AC adapters by my UPS. Or do I need to provide a UPS at each phone and run the ethernet like switch :: patch cable :: RJ45 coupler :: Polycom injector cable :: Polycom 501 thanks.
For Polycom IP500/501's and IP300/301's you need a special polycom POE cable. When you buy Polycom phones you can usually specify POE or powerpack. PaulH On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 16:23 -0800, William M Conlon wrote:> When I bought two Polycom 501 SIP phones, I naively thought they were > Power-over-Ethernet (IEEE 802.3af) because they were "powered over > ethernet." Silly me. > > Polycom must have some odd voltage or funny way of injecting the > power, because the POE switch I bought for them (Netgear F@510P) > won't power them, though if I use the Polycom-supplied AC adapter and > ethernet power injector cable, they work with the switch in either > its powered or unpowered ports. > > Anyhow, I hadn't seen any mention of how people power these phones, > as I had planned on centralizing phone power on a UPS to supply my > Asterisk server and POE switch. Now the question is: > > Can the Polycom AC-powered injector be used with a standard ethernet > patch cable: > > switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch cable :: > Polycom 501 > > which would allow me to power the Polycom AC adapters by my UPS. Or > do I need to provide a UPS at each phone and run the ethernet like > > switch :: patch cable :: RJ45 coupler :: Polycom injector cable :: > Polycom 501 > > thanks. > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I guess the way you want to do it should work, (over a long run you might run into trouble, but only trial and error will confirm this). However keep in mind that the polycom cables come keyed on one end of the RJ45, so that you don't by mistake put the powered end into the switch. What that means is that you will have to cut that bulging tip off, othewise you shouldn't have a problem. On 3/5/06, William M Conlon <bill@tothept.com> wrote:> When I bought two Polycom 501 SIP phones, I naively thought they were > Power-over-Ethernet (IEEE 802.3af) because they were "powered over > ethernet." Silly me. > > Polycom must have some odd voltage or funny way of injecting the > power, because the POE switch I bought for them (Netgear F@510P) > won't power them, though if I use the Polycom-supplied AC adapter and > ethernet power injector cable, they work with the switch in either > its powered or unpowered ports. > > Anyhow, I hadn't seen any mention of how people power these phones, > as I had planned on centralizing phone power on a UPS to supply my > Asterisk server and POE switch. Now the question is: > > Can the Polycom AC-powered injector be used with a standard ethernet > patch cable: > > switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch cable :: > Polycom 501 > > which would allow me to power the Polycom AC adapters by my UPS. Or > do I need to provide a UPS at each phone and run the ethernet like > > switch :: patch cable :: RJ45 coupler :: Polycom injector cable :: > Polycom 501 > > thanks. > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
Not true. Some do and some don't. Some have a place to plug a separate DC adapter, and some have the inline power, where the adapter plugs into the ethernet cable. Not sure which ones are newer, and which are older. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Welter [mailto:mike@telecommatters.net] Sent: Sun 3/5/2006 6:50 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501 power over ethernet The IP501 does not have a power jack. You'll need one of the Polycom cables. William M Conlon wrote: > My recollection of the marketing fluff was that we would just use our > legacy network (cables) and the devices at both ends would figure out > whether they were sourcing, sinking, or neither. In the case of the > 501, it's the special Polycom cable, either with or without provision > for an AC power adapter, that powers the phone. That's what I meant by > saying the '501' itself is not compliant with 802.3af -- it needs a > separate thingamajig [tech jargon :)]to be powered. > > Anyway I had hoped that I could just plug a CAT-5 patch cable from my > RJ45 wall outlet into the phone. > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Michael Welter wrote: > >> As I understand 802.3af, the phones go through a negotiation with the >> unit supplying the power. I don't think it's a matter of -48VDC on a >> particular pair. I remember a schematic from years ago--it had each >> of the receive pair and the transmit pair going into a transformer >> winding, and that winding had a center tap for PoE. This is not >> something that *I* am going to screw with. >> >> The IP501 telephone set is the same for both PoE and local power. >> With the PoE cable, the 802.3af electronics (the negotiator) is a >> plastic thing in the cable. For the local power, there is a plastic >> thingie toward the wall end of the cable, and you plug the wall wart >> into the plastic thingie. <Notice the advanced technical jargon here> >> >> With local power, there is still only one cable one the desk--the >> power plugs into the cable towards the wall. Except for a power >> interruption, this has all the advantages of PoE. >> >> >> >> William M Conlon wrote: >>> I saw that Polycom offered a cable (not stocked anywhere), at $40 a >>> pop for 802.3af connections. That's what made me think the phone >>> itself is NOT 802.3af compliant. >>> Presumably, for $40, there's more than a fuse in that special cable. >>> On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Paul Hales wrote: >>>> For Polycom IP500/501's and IP300/301's you need a special polycom POE >>>> cable. >>>> >>>> When you buy Polycom phones you can usually specify POE or powerpack. >>>> >>>> PaulH >>>> >>>> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 16:23 -0800, William M Conlon wrote: >>>>> When I bought two Polycom 501 SIP phones, I naively thought they were >>>>> Power-over-Ethernet (IEEE 802.3af) because they were "powered over >>>>> ethernet." Silly me. >>>>> >>>>> Polycom must have some odd voltage or funny way of injecting the >>>>> power, because the POE switch I bought for them (Netgear F@510P) >>>>> won't power them, though if I use the Polycom-supplied AC adapter and >>>>> ethernet power injector cable, they work with the switch in either >>>>> its powered or unpowered ports. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, I hadn't seen any mention of how people power these phones, >>>>> as I had planned on centralizing phone power on a UPS to supply my >>>>> Asterisk server and POE switch. Now the question is: >>>>> >>>>> Can the Polycom AC-powered injector be used with a standard ethernet >>>>> patch cable: >>>>> >>>>> switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch cable :: >>>>> Polycom 501 >>>>> >>>>> which would allow me to power the Polycom AC adapters by my UPS. Or >>>>> do I need to provide a UPS at each phone and run the ethernet like >>>>> >>>>> switch :: patch cable :: RJ45 coupler :: Polycom injector cable :: >>>>> Polycom 501 >>>>> >>>>> thanks. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >>>>> >>>>> Asterisk-Users mailing list >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >>>> >>>> Asterisk-Users mailing list >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >>> Bill >>> William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. >>> To the Point >>> 345 California Avenue Suite 2 >>> Palo Alto, CA 94306 >>> vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) >>> fax: 650.329.8335 >>> mobile: 650.906.9929 >>> e-mail: mailto:bill@tothept.com >>> web: http://www.tothept.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >>> Asterisk-Users mailing list >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> >> --Michael Welter >> Telecom Matters Corp. >> Denver, Colorado US >> +1.303.414.4980 >> mike@TelecomMatters.net >> www.TelecomMatters.net >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >> >> Asterisk-Users mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > Bill > > William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. > To the Point > 345 California Avenue Suite 2 > Palo Alto, CA 94306 > vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) > fax: 650.329.8335 > mobile: 650.906.9929 > e-mail: mailto:bill@tothept.com > web: http://www.tothept.com > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 mike@TelecomMatters.net www.TelecomMatters.net _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
No, some IP 501's have the inline cable and some have the power jack. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hales [mailto:pdhales@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:59 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501 power over ethernet The IP300/301 has the power jack, the IP500/501 the inline cable. PaulH On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 20:56 -0700, Douglas Garstang wrote:> Not true. Some do and some don't. Some have a place to plug a separate DC adapter, and some have the inline power, where the adapter plugs into the ethernet cable. Not sure which ones are newer, and which are older. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Welter [mailto:mike@telecommatters.net] > Sent: Sun 3/5/2006 6:50 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501 power over ethernet > > > > The IP501 does not have a power jack. You'll need one of the Polycom > cables. > > William M Conlon wrote: > > My recollection of the marketing fluff was that we would just use our > > legacy network (cables) and the devices at both ends would figure out > > whether they were sourcing, sinking, or neither. In the case of the > > 501, it's the special Polycom cable, either with or without provision > > for an AC power adapter, that powers the phone. That's what I meant by > > saying the '501' itself is not compliant with 802.3af -- it needs a > > separate thingamajig [tech jargon :)]to be powered. > > > > Anyway I had hoped that I could just plug a CAT-5 patch cable from my > > RJ45 wall outlet into the phone. > > > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Michael Welter wrote: > > > >> As I understand 802.3af, the phones go through a negotiation with the > >> unit supplying the power. I don't think it's a matter of -48VDC on a > >> particular pair. I remember a schematic from years ago--it had each > >> of the receive pair and the transmit pair going into a transformer > >> winding, and that winding had a center tap for PoE. This is not > >> something that *I* am going to screw with. > >> > >> The IP501 telephone set is the same for both PoE and local power. > >> With the PoE cable, the 802.3af electronics (the negotiator) is a > >> plastic thing in the cable. For the local power, there is a plastic > >> thingie toward the wall end of the cable, and you plug the wall wart > >> into the plastic thingie. <Notice the advanced technical jargon here> > >> > >> With local power, there is still only one cable one the desk--the > >> power plugs into the cable towards the wall. Except for a power > >> interruption, this has all the advantages of PoE. > >> > >> > >> > >> William M Conlon wrote: > >>> I saw that Polycom offered a cable (not stocked anywhere), at $40 a > >>> pop for 802.3af connections. That's what made me think the phone > >>> itself is NOT 802.3af compliant. > >>> Presumably, for $40, there's more than a fuse in that special cable. > >>> On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Paul Hales wrote: > >>>> For Polycom IP500/501's and IP300/301's you need a special polycom POE > >>>> cable. > >>>> > >>>> When you buy Polycom phones you can usually specify POE or powerpack. > >>>> > >>>> PaulH > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 16:23 -0800, William M Conlon wrote: > >>>>> When I bought two Polycom 501 SIP phones, I naively thought they were > >>>>> Power-over-Ethernet (IEEE 802.3af) because they were "powered over > >>>>> ethernet." Silly me. > >>>>> > >>>>> Polycom must have some odd voltage or funny way of injecting the > >>>>> power, because the POE switch I bought for them (Netgear F@510P) > >>>>> won't power them, though if I use the Polycom-supplied AC adapter and > >>>>> ethernet power injector cable, they work with the switch in either > >>>>> its powered or unpowered ports. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyhow, I hadn't seen any mention of how people power these phones, > >>>>> as I had planned on centralizing phone power on a UPS to supply my > >>>>> Asterisk server and POE switch. Now the question is: > >>>>> > >>>>> Can the Polycom AC-powered injector be used with a standard ethernet > >>>>> patch cable: > >>>>> > >>>>> switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch cable :: > >>>>> Polycom 501 > >>>>> > >>>>> which would allow me to power the Polycom AC adapters by my UPS. Or > >>>>> do I need to provide a UPS at each phone and run the ethernet like > >>>>> > >>>>> switch :: patch cable :: RJ45 coupler :: Polycom injector cable :: > >>>>> Polycom 501 > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > >>>>> > >>>>> Asterisk-Users mailing list > >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > >>>> > >>>> Asterisk-Users mailing list > >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >>> Bill > >>> William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. > >>> To the Point > >>> 345 California Avenue Suite 2 > >>> Palo Alto, CA 94306 > >>> vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) > >>> fax: 650.329.8335 > >>> mobile: 650.906.9929 > >>> e-mail: mailto:bill@tothept.com > >>> web: http://www.tothept.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > >>> Asterisk-Users mailing list > >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >> > >> --Michael Welter > >> Telecom Matters Corp. > >> Denver, Colorado US > >> +1.303.414.4980 > >> mike@TelecomMatters.net > >> www.TelecomMatters.net > >> _______________________________________________ > >> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > >> > >> Asterisk-Users mailing list > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > Bill > > > > William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. > > To the Point > > 345 California Avenue Suite 2 > > Palo Alto, CA 94306 > > vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) > > fax: 650.329.8335 > > mobile: 650.906.9929 > > e-mail: mailto:bill@tothept.com > > web: http://www.tothept.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > -- > Michael Welter > Telecom Matters Corp. > Denver, Colorado US > +1.303.414.4980 > mike@TelecomMatters.net > www.TelecomMatters.net > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users_______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I was just thinking, about this.. Move your Polycom Power Injecting Patch cable (Black Cable with AC Adapter Input) into the cabling closet. You could then infuse the power at the cabling closet and then just use a standard patch cable to patch the phone in. You would be looking at a line loss of 40 Ohms per 1000 ft, or about 12 Ohms per 300ft run. Max output of the transformer is 400mA @ 12V The Voltage drop of a 12 Ohm load on a 400mA circuit is 0.03V... So that should be more the acceptable. I just don't know what would happen if a user plugged a phone into the line.. Chad -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of William M Conlon Sent: March 5, 2006 8:29 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Polycom 501 power over ethernet My recollection of the marketing fluff was that we would just use our legacy network (cables) and the devices at both ends would figure out whether they were sourcing, sinking, or neither. In the case of the 501, it's the special Polycom cable, either with or without provision for an AC power adapter, that powers the phone. That's what I meant by saying the '501' itself is not compliant with 802.3af -- it needs a separate thingamajig [tech jargon :)]to be powered. Anyway I had hoped that I could just plug a CAT-5 patch cable from my RJ45 wall outlet into the phone. On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Michael Welter wrote:> As I understand 802.3af, the phones go through a negotiation with the > unit supplying the power. I don't think it's a matter of -48VDC on a > particular pair. I remember a schematic from years ago--it had each > of the receive pair and the transmit pair going into a transformer > winding, and that winding had a center tap for PoE. This is not > something that *I* am going to screw with. > > The IP501 telephone set is the same for both PoE and local power. > With the PoE cable, the 802.3af electronics (the negotiator) is a > plastic thing in the cable. For the local power, there is a plastic > thingie toward the wall end of the cable, and you plug the wall wart > into the plastic thingie. <Notice the advanced technical jargon here> > > With local power, there is still only one cable one the desk--the > power plugs into the cable towards the wall. Except for a power > interruption, this has all the advantages of PoE. > > > > William M Conlon wrote: >> I saw that Polycom offered a cable (not stocked anywhere), at $40 >> a pop for 802.3af connections. That's what made me think the >> phone itself is NOT 802.3af compliant. >> Presumably, for $40, there's more than a fuse in that special cable. >> On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Paul Hales wrote: >>> For Polycom IP500/501's and IP300/301's you need a special >>> polycom POE >>> cable. >>> >>> When you buy Polycom phones you can usually specify POE or >>> powerpack. >>> >>> PaulH >>> >>> On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 16:23 -0800, William M Conlon wrote: >>>> When I bought two Polycom 501 SIP phones, I naively thought they >>>> were >>>> Power-over-Ethernet (IEEE 802.3af) because they were "powered over >>>> ethernet." Silly me. >>>> >>>> Polycom must have some odd voltage or funny way of injecting the >>>> power, because the POE switch I bought for them (Netgear F@510P) >>>> won't power them, though if I use the Polycom-supplied AC >>>> adapter and >>>> ethernet power injector cable, they work with the switch in either >>>> its powered or unpowered ports. >>>> >>>> Anyhow, I hadn't seen any mention of how people power these phones, >>>> as I had planned on centralizing phone power on a UPS to supply my >>>> Asterisk server and POE switch. Now the question is: >>>> >>>> Can the Polycom AC-powered injector be used with a standard >>>> ethernet >>>> patch cable: >>>> >>>> switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch >>>> cable :: >>>> Polycom 501 >>>> >>>> which would allow me to power the Polycom AC adapters by my >>>> UPS. Or >>>> do I need to provide a UPS at each phone and run the ethernet like >>>> >>>> switch :: patch cable :: RJ45 coupler :: Polycom injector >>>> cable :: >>>> Polycom 501 >>>> >>>> thanks. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >>>> >>>> Asterisk-Users mailing list >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >>> >>> Asterisk-Users mailing list >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> Bill >> William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. >> To the Point >> 345 California Avenue Suite 2 >> Palo Alto, CA 94306 >> vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) >> fax: 650.329.8335 >> mobile: 650.906.9929 >> e-mail: mailto:bill@tothept.com >> web: http://www.tothept.com >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- >> Asterisk-Users mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > -- > Michael Welter > Telecom Matters Corp. > Denver, Colorado US > +1.303.414.4980 > mike@TelecomMatters.net > www.TelecomMatters.net > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-usersBill William M. Conlon, P.E., Ph.D. To the Point 345 California Avenue Suite 2 Palo Alto, CA 94306 vox: 650.327.2175 (direct) fax: 650.329.8335 mobile: 650.906.9929 e-mail: mailto:bill@tothept.com web: http://www.tothept.com _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
William M Conlon wrote:> switch :: Polycom injector cable :: RJ45 coupler :: patch cable :: > Polycom 501You can do this, but it's not recommended. The power supply is 12V DC, and the wires in a patch cable are usually stranded and very fine gauge. This will cause voltage drop if you use a longer cable between the injection point and the phone; this is one reason why PoE is 48V, so that the voltage drop is not as large a percentage. It may very well work for you, you can certainly try :-)