A lot of people are going for the "VOIP only" approach, but SBC says you have to have an active analog voice circuit before they will sell you DSL. Does anybody know which DSL providers will sell you DSL without making you pay for a voice circuit? Thanks in advance, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Edwards sedwards@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline pagesteve@sedwards.com Fax: +1-760-731-3000
> A lot of people are going for the "VOIP only" approach, but SBC says you > have to have an active analog voice circuit before they will sell you DSL. > > Does anybody know which DSL providers will sell you DSL without making you > pay for a voice circuit?SDSL service is delivered on a dedicated circuit. You should never need to have an analog voice circuit before ordering SDSL. (So is, for that matter, HDSL, though that is frequently misrepresented as "T1" service) There are also a small number of providers, like Speakeasy, who are now offering ADSL-over-bare-copper services (I believe they call theirs Onelink). There is really nothing prohibiting DSL providers from doing this - they just end up paying Ma Bell for the entire cost of the copper, and that's not really all that popular. Don't forget, you ought to have a conventional phone line for E911 purposes, including "what happens when a hurricane goes through and my ISP becomes toast". VoIP is a neat technology but it lacks the resiliency of the traditional phone system. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
On December 17, 2004 09:00 am, Joe Greco wrote:> (So is, for that matter, HDSL, though that is frequently misrepresented as > "T1" service)Also considering that almost every "T1" you order these days is being delivered on HDSL2 (1 copper pair) it further muddies the waters. :-) -A.
www.Covad.com I have their TeleSoho dedicated loop DSL. It costs the same as the bundled loop. Michael On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:43:36 -0800 (PST), Steve Edwards wrote:>A lot of people are going for the "VOIP only" approach, but SBC says you >have to have an active analog voice circuit before they will sell you DSL. > >Does anybody know which DSL providers will sell you DSL without making you >pay for a voice circuit? > >Thanks in advance, >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Steve Edwards sedwards@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST >Newline pagesteve@sedwards.com Fax: +1-760-731-3000 >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >-- Michael Graves mgraves@pixelpower.com Sr. Product Specialist www.pixelpower.com Pixel Power Inc. mgraves@mstvp.com o713-861-4005 o800-905-6412 c713-201-1262
> Don't forget, you ought to have a conventional phone line for > E911 purposes, including "what happens when a hurricane goes > through and my ISP becomes toast". VoIP is a neat technology > but it lacks the resiliency of the traditional phone system.Have you ever been in a hurricane? Unlikely that your POTS line will work when there is 2 feet of standing water and every Telco cross connect box is submerged. In most of the natural disaster situations I can recall phone service went down before electricity did, and in nearly all them the cellular systems (although over congested / circuits busy) were the most reliable systems.
> A lot of people are going for the "VOIP only" approach, but SBC says you > have to have an active analog voice circuit before they will sell you DSL. > > Does anybody know which DSL providers will sell you DSL without making you > pay for a voice circuit?I'd say their words are suggesting you need a copper cable pair to use for dsl, and they only sell copper pairs _with_ an analog voice circuit. Since the majority of telco sales people are very non-technical, the best they can do is repeat words that others have told them or translate into words their understanding. But, they may other other approaches that sales people don't understand or have never heard of. Might try to escalate that to supervisors and/or engineering types to see what other arrangements exist.
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 05:43 -0800, Steve Edwards wrote:> A lot of people are going for the "VOIP only" approach, but SBC says you > have to have an active analog voice circuit before they will sell you DSL. > > Does anybody know which DSL providers will sell you DSL without making you > pay for a voice circuit?Sounds like we're way ahead here in France, www.free.fr d?group?e gives 15Mbs down / 1Mb up for 29.99? ($40) per month VoIP and TV included. -- Dave Cotton <dcotton@linuxautrement.com>