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Alex Barnes

2004-Sep-29 07:21 UTC

[Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

Hi all,

One of the areas I am trying to research before I can confidently start
deploying Asterisk is "Credit Card Machines". (PDQ / Streamline
machines
/ any similar)

I'm talking about the credit card swipe boxes at point of sale desks. I
believe they dial out to the specific bank provider everytime a card is
swiped.

My question is:

- Does anyone have any experience using these type of devices with
Asterisk, possibly with a SIPURA type SIP device.
- If not, is my assumption that at the very worst I will just have to
connect them to a FXS port on the * and that should let the device break
out onto the ISDN E1 line?

As always thanks for any insights / advice people can give.

cheers

alex

(My background is over 4yrs in SIP so if you have SIP protocol questions
feel free to ask)

--------------------------------------------
|Alex Barnes
|SQA Engineer
|URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>
--------------------------------------------

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that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the
ubiquity.com domain.

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<http://www.ubiquity.net/> and via email at @ubiquity.net. However, we
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2004-Sep-29 07:44 UTC

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MessageThese machines in many cases call a freephone number, 800 number in N.
America but, around the world mostly numbers that are tollfree. You cannot
change the machine so like the Borg you need to adapt!
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Barnes
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

Hi all,

One of the areas I am trying to research before I can confidently start
deploying Asterisk is "Credit Card Machines". (PDQ / Streamline
machines / any similar)

I'm talking about the credit card swipe boxes at point of sale desks. I
believe they dial out to the specific bank provider everytime a card is swiped.

My question is:

- Does anyone have any experience using these type of devices with Asterisk,
possibly with a SIPURA type SIP device.
- If not, is my assumption that at the very worst I will just have to connect
them to a FXS port on the * and that should let the device break out onto the
ISDN E1 line?

As always thanks for any insights / advice people can give.

cheers

alex

(My background is over 4yrs in SIP so if you have SIP protocol questions feel
free to ask)
--------------------------------------------
|Alex Barnes
|SQA Engineer
|URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com
--------------------------------------------

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ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees
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Thank you.

Regards,

Ubiquity Software
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info@ubiquitysoftware.com

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Alex Barnes

2004-Sep-29 08:01 UTC

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The object wasn't really to try to reduce costs by passing the call over
VOIP but since a possible deployment will not have a channel bank other
old school PBX type things I still need a way to connect these Credit
Cards machines to the ISDN line via the *.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Brandon Patterson (peering) [mailto:siptech@livevoip.com] 
	Sent: 29 September 2004 15:45
	To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
	Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop
	
	
	These machines in many cases call a freephone number, 800 number
in N. America but, around the world mostly numbers that are tollfree.
You cannot change the machine so like the Borg you need to adapt!

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Alex Barnes <mailto:abarnes@ubiquitysoftware.com>

		To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com 
		Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:21 AM
		Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

		Hi all,
		 
		One of the areas I am trying to research before I can
confidently start deploying Asterisk is "Credit Card Machines". (PDQ /
Streamline machines / any similar)
		 
		I'm talking about the credit card swipe boxes at point
of sale desks.  I believe they dial out to the specific bank provider
everytime a card is swiped.
		 
		My question is:
		 
		- Does anyone have any experience using these type of
devices with Asterisk, possibly with a SIPURA type SIP device.
		- If not, is my assumption that at the very worst I will
just have to connect them to a FXS port on the * and that should let the
device break out onto the ISDN E1 line?
		 
		As always thanks for any insights / advice people can
give.
		 
		cheers
		 
		alex
		 
		(My background is over 4yrs in SIP so if you have SIP
protocol questions feel free to ask)

		-------------------------------------------- 
		|Alex Barnes 
		|SQA Engineer                          
		|URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>           
		-------------------------------------------- 

		This email and any attached files are confidential and
copyright protected.  If you are not the addressee, any dissemination,
distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this
communication shall be legally binding.


		 


		
		Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: 
		 
		As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using
the web domain ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the
previously established ubiquity.net for our website and email
communications to you.  However, since that time, a dispute has emerged
with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain.

		 
		As an international software company founded over decade
ago, you can always reach Ubiquity Software under the website
www.ubiquity.net <http://www.ubiquity.net/ <http://www.ubiquity.net/>
>
and via email at @ubiquity.net.  However, we have also chosen to expand
our domain to the more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/ <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>
>
for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications.
		 
		Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin
to use the new ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications
to Ubiquity employees from now on. 
		  
		Thank you.
		 
		Regards,
		 
		Ubiquity Software 
		www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/ <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>
>
		info@ubiquitysoftware.com
<mailto:info@ubiquitysoftware.com>  

		
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Ben Merrills

2004-Sep-29 08:21 UTC

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I tried this with an iAXY, I didn't have much luck. Even with most stuff
turned off (like echo cancellation) it still required a number of
attempts to get the data through and receive the accept. I gave up after
a while!

 

Sorry it's not much help, but if you have any luck, I'd be interested in
hearing about what you did.

 

Cheers,

 

Ben 

 

Ps. We were using UK PQD's

 

________________________________

From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Barnes
Sent: 29 September 2004 16:02
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

 

The object wasn't really to try to reduce costs by passing the call over
VOIP but since a possible deployment will not have a channel bank other
old school PBX type things I still need a way to connect these Credit
Cards machines to the ISDN line via the *.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Brandon Patterson (peering) [mailto:siptech@livevoip.com] 
	Sent: 29 September 2004 15:45
	To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
	Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

	These machines in many cases call a freephone number, 800 number
in N. America but, around the world mostly numbers that are tollfree.
You cannot change the machine so like the Borg you need to adapt!

		----- Original Message ----- 

		From: Alex Barnes <mailto:abarnes@ubiquitysoftware.com>


		To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com 

		Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:21 AM

		Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

		 

		Hi all,

		 

		One of the areas I am trying to research before I can
confidently start deploying Asterisk is "Credit Card Machines". (PDQ /
Streamline machines / any similar)

		 

		I'm talking about the credit card swipe boxes at point
of sale desks.  I believe they dial out to the specific bank provider
everytime a card is swiped.

		 

		My question is:

		 

		- Does anyone have any experience using these type of
devices with Asterisk, possibly with a SIPURA type SIP device.

		- If not, is my assumption that at the very worst I will
just have to connect them to a FXS port on the * and that should let the
device break out onto the ISDN E1 line?

		 

		As always thanks for any insights / advice people can
give.

		 

		cheers

		 

		alex

		 

		(My background is over 4yrs in SIP so if you have SIP
protocol questions feel free to ask)

		-------------------------------------------- 
		|Alex Barnes 
		|SQA Engineer                          
		|URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>           
		-------------------------------------------- 

		This email and any attached files are confidential and
copyright protected.  If you are not the addressee, any dissemination,
distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this
communication shall be legally binding.

		 

		 

		 

		Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: 

		 

		As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using
the web domain ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the
previously established ubiquity.net for our website and email
communications to you.  However, since that time, a dispute has emerged
with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain.

		 

		 

		As an international software company founded over decade
ago, you can always reach Ubiquity Software under the website
www.ubiquity.net <http://www.ubiquity.net/ <http://www.ubiquity.net/>
>
and via email at @ubiquity.net.  However, we have also chosen to expand
our domain to the more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>  for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com
for email communications.

		 

		Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin
to use the new ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications
to Ubiquity employees from now on. 

		  

		Thank you.

		 

		Regards,

		 

		Ubiquity Software 

		www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> 

		info@ubiquitysoftware.com 

		
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Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: 
 
As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain
ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established
ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you.  However,
since that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership
of the ubiquity.com domain.

 
As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can
always reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net
<http://www.ubiquity.net/ <http://www.ubiquity.net/> >  and via
email at
@ubiquity.net.  However, we have also chosen to expand our domain to the
more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> >  for web and @ubiquitysoftware.com
for email communications.
 
Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new
ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity
employees from now on. 
  
Thank you.
 
Regards,
 
Ubiquity Software 
www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> > 
info@ubiquitysoftware.com <mailto:info@ubiquitysoftware.com>  
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Alex Barnes

2004-Sep-29 08:34 UTC

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Well that doesn't fill me with convidence as I thought that having an
FXS card dedicated to fax machines and CC machines would be a good
starting point.

Ah well, the VOIP gods send these things to test us.

If you have any luck with the FXS cards and CC's I would be very
interested to hear.  I had my 4 port FXS and FXO cards come through for
my test environment yesterday but not sure when I will get a chance to
"borrow" a CC machine to test on.  When I do get round to testing it
I'll post my findings.

Cheers

alex

-----Original Message-----
From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:support@obsidian-studios.com] 
Sent: 29 September 2004 16:28
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 11:01, Alex Barnes wrote:> The object wasn't really to try to reduce costs by passing the call 
> over VOIP but since a possible deployment will not have a channel bank
> other old school PBX type things I still need a way to connect these 
> Credit Cards machines to the ISDN line via the *.
I am facing a similar issue with CC machines. Seems the only choice is
either 1-4 port FXS card or analog to VOIP adapters.

When I spoke to Digium they said they were not sure if the FXS cards
would work for analog cc machines. It might but they would not guaranty
it.

So it's seems the pricey analog to voip will have to be purchased in our
case until something else can be done about the cc situation.

-- 
Sincerely,
William L. Thomson Jr.
Support Group
Obsidian-Studios, Inc.
http://www.obsidian-studios.com

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Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: 

As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain
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ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you.  However, since
that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of the
ubiquity.com domain.

As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always
reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net
<http://www.ubiquity.net/>  and via email at @ubiquity.net.  However, we
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www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>  for web and
@ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications.

Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new
ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity employees
from now on.

Thank you.

Regards,

Ubiquity Software 
www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> 
info@ubiquitysoftware.com

Michael Bielicki

2004-Sep-29 08:40 UTC

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----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Barnes <abarnes@ubiquitysoftware.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:21:10 +0100
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com

Hi all, 

One of the areas I am trying to research before I can confidently
start deploying Asterisk is "Credit Card Machines". (PDQ / Streamline
machines / any similar)

I'm talking about the credit card swipe boxes at point of sale desks. 
I believe they dial out to the specific bank provider everytime a card
is swiped.

My question is: 

- Does anyone have any experience using these type of devices with
Asterisk, possibly with a SIPURA type SIP device.
- If not, is my assumption that at the very worst I will just have to
connect them to a FXS port on the * and that should let the device
break out onto the ISDN E1 line?

-- snip --

Could you limit your signature a bit ?
Anyway what you suggest should work, since if using alaw or alaw
faxing even works. So I think an ata setup like you described should
work fine.

-- 
Michael Bielicki

Linus Surguy

2004-Sep-29 08:42 UTC

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If you do it with SIP and G711 you are probably OK. The protocol used for 
the authorisations is only 300 baud (in the UK) so shouldnt be a challenge, 
but IAX somehow still manages to mess some of these up. However, the unit 
will also be polled by the bank to collect the payment file overnight, so 
you'll have to handle incoming calls too.

In my experience though, it is better all around to leave the data devices 
direct to the PSTN, much less headaches/hassle.

Linus

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Barnes" <abarnes@ubiquitysoftware.com>
To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:21 PM
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop


Hi all,

One of the areas I am trying to research before I can confidently start
deploying Asterisk is "Credit Card Machines". (PDQ / Streamline
machines
/ any similar)

I'm talking about the credit card swipe boxes at point of sale desks.  I
believe they dial out to the specific bank provider everytime a card is
swiped.

My question is:

- Does anyone have any experience using these type of devices with
Asterisk, possibly with a SIPURA type SIP device.
- If not, is my assumption that at the very worst I will just have to
connect them to a FXS port on the * and that should let the device break
out onto the ISDN E1 line?

As always thanks for any insights / advice people can give.

cheers

alex

(My background is over 4yrs in SIP so if you have SIP protocol questions
feel free to ask)

-------------------------------------------- 
|Alex Barnes
|SQA Engineer
|URL : http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com
<http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>
-------------------------------------------- 

This email and any attached files are confidential and copyright
protected.  If you are not the addressee, any dissemination,
distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
Unless otherwise expressly agreed in writing, nothing stated in this
communication shall be legally binding.





Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software:

As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain 
ubiquity.com earlier this year in addition to the previously established 
ubiquity.net for our website and email communications to you.  However, 
since that time, a dispute has emerged with respect to actual ownership of 
the ubiquity.com domain.

As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always 
reach Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net 
<http://www.ubiquity.net/>  and via email at @ubiquity.net.  However, we 
have also chosen to expand our domain to the more specific 
www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>  for web and 
@ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications.

Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new 
ubiquitysoftware.com domain for all email communications to Ubiquity 
employees from now on.

Thank you.

Regards,

Ubiquity Software
www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/>
info@ubiquitysoftware.com



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Alex Barnes

2004-Sep-30 06:04 UTC

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Thanks for all the replies.

That Cisco ATA 188 looks interesting.  

2 * Analogue Tel port
2 * 10/100 Ethernet

Did you use SIP / H323 or Skinny, as I see that the ATA 188 supports all
three.
Due to my background experience I would choose SIP as my personal
default, but it can't be bad if it supports all three.

Cheers

alex

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Traue, Jr. [mailto:ptraue@neospire.net] 
Sent: 30 September 2004 13:57
To: support@obsidian-studios.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List -
Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Credit Card machines / interop

We just finished a rollout of asterisk, and our solution was to use a 
cisco ata-188 which works like a charm.

Paul

William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:> On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 11:01, Alex Barnes wrote:
> 
>>The object wasn't really to try to reduce costs by passing the call 
>>over VOIP but since a possible deployment will not have a channel bank
>>other old school PBX type things I still need a way to connect these 
>>Credit Cards machines to the ISDN line via the *.
> 
> 
> I am facing a similar issue with CC machines. Seems the only choice is
> either 1-4 port FXS card or analog to VOIP adapters.
> 
> When I spoke to Digium they said they were not sure if the FXS cards 
> would work for analog cc machines. It might but they would not 
> guaranty it.
> 
> So it's seems the pricey analog to voip will have to be purchased in 
> our case until something else can be done about the cc situation.
> 

-- 

Paul Traue                                      Junior Engineer
http://www.neospire.net                         fax 214-720-1836
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Dear Friends of Ubiquity Software: 

As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain
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ubiquity.com domain.

As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always
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<http://www.ubiquity.net/>  and via email at @ubiquity.net.  However, we
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@ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications.

Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new
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Thank you.

Regards,

Ubiquity Software 
www.ubiquitysoftware.com <http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/> 
info@ubiquitysoftware.com

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